PURE | GATE 2 - GT300 - Season winners - tony1311 and Team Wedssport

[Sail IC]

Does sort of completely defeat the point of racing though...

Spot on.

Even if handicap works for happy amatours in Golf, I wouldn't like it here. What's the satisfaction of winning against a driver in a lesser car.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Please no, One long race. I really really enjoy the long races. Strategy and fatigue. Feel really accomplished afterwards.

Reverse grids usually result in aggressive moves for fast guys to get back up front too.

Thought I'd try

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Same points for both rooms. I like it. Actually have mentioned it before.

You might have. It came to me during the middle of the last FMSC, when we had a Saturday and Sunday room, and people raced on which day was better for them. The former was more top-heavy, and had Adam, so I strategically chose Sunday.

As for handicaps, they hurt the non-aliens much more, compounded when newcomers come in, and race without ballast. Rather I find more speed to match the top guys than slow them down.

 

[OwensRacing]

Thought I'd try

whatcha think of splitting odd an even. Both rooms get same points. TQ gets a decent bonus though.

That one seems like a way to remove the "ugggh" D2 feeling some get. I personally know my place and its often in D2. I don't mind. Love the racing.

However see splitting rooms odd and even may remove my chances of ever winning. D2 is the only place my chances for that are valid. however I do like the idea of PURE ODD / PURE EVEN rooms.

 

[SkengD]

No offense to d2 but most times its boring for me , id rather come last in d1 than 1st in d2 .

Its just a better challenge in d1 , i have no one but myself to blame , im just not a good qualifier.

The odd/evens idea is interesting , but it might space the field out a bit with the different skill levels .

 

[Litchi]

You might have. It came to me during the middle of the last FMSC, when we had a Saturday and Sunday room, and people raced on which day was better for them. The former was more top-heavy, and had Adam, so I strategically chose Sunday.

As for handicaps, they hurt the non-aliens much more, compounded when newcomers come in, and race without ballast. Rather I find more speed to match the top guys than slow them down.

And I remember my 1st FMSC race with you Rich, it was awesome

 

[Third Reign]

The trouble I see with same points for both rooms is people starting to manipulate their qualification. Why face off the aliens in D1 if you can coast to gold points in D2? Something would have to be implemented that qualification spots matter. If its qualification points we are back to having different point scales in D1 and D2, just recolored.

What annoyed me a bit is that DNFs of D1 @<50% of the distance covered still managed to score more points than me running hard in D2 the entire race. That skewed results quite a bit in my opinion.

But enough of the complaints, I want to compliment you guys for organizing such an awesome series. I had lots of fun and got the hunger for more PURE racing. Anything known about the next series?

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

And I remember my 1st FMSC race with you Rich, it was awesome

I've forgotten about that. Typical Miata result for me, a nail biter.

Too bad I don't fit in a real one, unless I want to steer with my knees.

The trouble I see with same points for both rooms is people starting to manipulate their qualification. Why face off the aliens in D1 if you can coast to gold points in D2? Something would have to be implemented that qualification spots matter. If its qualification points we are back to having different point scales in D1 and D2, just recolored.

Considering that most people wait until the last day to Q, it would hard to pull that off with any consistency.

 

[Müle]

If people want to win, maybe have 2 half hour races, and the second race is a reverse grid based on the first race results

Leave that to TOCA, Spurgy

 

[OwensRacing]

The trouble I see with same points for both rooms is people starting to manipulate their qualification. Why face off the aliens in D1 if you can coast to gold points in D2? Something would have to be implemented that qualification spots matter. If its qualification points we are back to having different point scales in D1 and D2, just recolored.

What annoyed me a bit is that DNFs of D1 @<50% of the distance covered still managed to score more points than me running hard in D2 the entire race. That skewed results quite a bit in my opinion.

But enough of the complaints, I want to compliment you guys for organizing such an awesome series. I had lots of fun and got the hunger for more PURE racing. Anything known about the next series?

We talking about splitting odd and even qualifying.

Some based on qualifying the rooms would sorted as follows - this really can't me manipulated for better points. Just both rooms get same points and TQ gets a bonus.


Room 1
1
3
5
7
9
11
13
15
17
19
21
23
25
27
29
31

Room 2
2
4
6
8
10
12
14
16
18
20
22
24
26
28
30
32

 

[Spurgy 777]

Leave that to TOCA, Spurgy

Well I'm not allowed in TOCA any more

 

[SkengD]

Well I'm not allowed in TOCA any more

Aliens getting banned everywhere

 

[basse101]

Dont know if its this system you guys are referring to but one way of doing it is putting the fastest after quali as pole in room one and the second fastest as pole in room two. And then fill up the spots with 3rd fastest starting as second in room one and so on and give out the same amount of points in both room.

Edit: did not see that owen had wrote the exact same ting, and it was this you guys were talking about this could spice the races a bit in my opinion.

 

[IforceV8]

Spa starting grids
Odds
1.Tony
2.RT1600
3.Dr.W
4.SailIC
5.unreal
6.ren
7.Litchi
8.Skeng
9.Owens
10.3rd
11.dranzer
12.pag42
13.BOB
14.BAZZER

Evens
1.Spurgy
2.outlaw
3.mohitraina91
4.basse
5.Twist
6.Wardez
7.MULE
8.cam
9.IforceV8
10.SteelToedSloth
11.grazbro
12.TOXTAS
13.kolden76

 

[Sail IC]

About this odd/even room, I personally don't like the idea.

In a race, I like to have as many people as possible at similar pace to me. If doing the odd/even thing, the number of people I will be racing with will be cut in half.

I think this will apply to most people. Perhaps if in lets say GATE 2 you are just on the D1/D2 boarder it might be different, but if you're a solid D1 or D2 player, you will just end up racing fewer people each race.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Too bad the pace lap throws each room total time off, you could just combine the race times.

 

[twistedfirework]

About this odd/even room, I personally don't like the idea.

In a race, I like to have as many people as possible at similar pace to me. If doing the odd/even thing, the number of people I will be racing with will be cut in half.

I think this will apply to most people. Perhaps if in lets say GATE 2 you are just on the D1/D2 boarder it might be different, but if you're a solid D1 or D2 player, you will just end up racing fewer people each race.

I agree 100%


The system we already use is in my opinion, perfect!

 

[unrealanthony]

About this odd/even room, I personally don't like the idea.

In a race, I like to have as many people as possible at similar pace to me. If doing the odd/even thing, the number of people I will be racing with will be cut in half.

I think this will apply to most people. Perhaps if in lets say GATE 2 you are just on the D1/D2 boarder it might be different, but if you're a solid D1 or D2 player, you will just end up racing fewer people each race.

Same here!

 

[pag42]

I agree 100%


The system we already use is in my opinion, perfect!

At Spa yes it could work But can you imagine the carnage at somewhere like Cape Inner WOW

If its not broke don`t mend it

 

[Dr_Watson]

The trouble I see with same points for both rooms is people starting to manipulate their qualification. Why face off the aliens in D1 if you can coast to gold points in D2? Something would have to be implemented that qualification spots matter. If its qualification points we are back to having different point scales in D1 and D2, just recolored.

What annoyed me a bit is that DNFs of D1 @<50% of the distance covered still managed to score more points than me running hard in D2 the entire race. That skewed results quite a bit in my opinion.

But enough of the complaints, I want to compliment you guys for organizing such an awesome series. I had lots of fun and got the hunger for more PURE racing. Anything known about the next series?

That's actually something I've been thinking about recently. Not sure I'm a fan of D1 DNF's being above D2 finishers. Dropping all DNF's down to the bottom of the table is something that could happen in the future.

I will say though... looking at timing and scoring with 38 names; having too many people for one room is a good problem to have. So thanks everyone for making our work worth it.

 

[OwensRacing]

That's actually something I've been thinking about recently. Not sure I'm a fan of D1 DNF's being above D2 finishers. Dropping all DNF's down to the bottom of the table is something that could happen in the future.

I will say though... looking at timing and scoring with 38 names; having too many people for one room is a good problem to have. So thanks everyone for making our work worth it.

Now that sure seems like a fair thing to do. DNF's start order after those finishers in D2. I like!!!

 

[CodeRedR51]

Now that sure seems like a fair thing to do. DNF's start order after those finishers in D2. I like!!!

Should have been done that way from the start IMO.

 

[Litchi]

Should have been done that way from the start IMO.

yea of course, but no one is perfect, you know. We are human and we can't think to everything, everytime...

 

[CodeRedR51]

Seems like an obvious thing to me.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Seems like an obvious thing to me.

It's obvious until you have your connection drop on the last lap of a race. Not all dnfs are created equal.

Point scaling will also be reevaluated to make the divisions more fluid and less disparate. Evolution of the format is always job 1.

 

[OwensRacing]

It's obvious until you have your connection drop on the last lap of a race. Not all dnfs are created equal.

Point scaling will also be reevaluated to make the divisions more fluid and less disparate. Evolution of the format is always job 1.

PURE Evolution

 

[CodeRedR51]

It's obvious until you have your connection drop on the last lap of a race. Not all dnfs are created equal.

DNF is a DNF, no?

 

[pag42]

There needs to be a bigger penalty for late qually and a much bigger penalty for non quallifyers

 

[twistedfirework]

The penalty for not qualifying is already to start from the rear of the field. You may have a point on the late q penalty. We could bring the deadline closer to the green flag (say, 4 hours) and do away with the late Q.
I like the idea of placing all DNF's after all finishers, regardless of division.

 

[Spurgy 777]

The penalty for not qualifying is already to start from the rear of the field. You may have a point on the late q penalty. We could bring the deadline closer to the green flag (say, 4 hours) and do away with the late Q.
I like the idea of placing all DNF's after all finishers, regardless of division.

But how would you order DNF's from both divisions, and what would you do with people who DNF on the last lap in D1?