PURE | GATE - Suzuka

[cicua]

Sorry guys. Did not enjoy this at all. I mean, this is a hugely long race, no reason for everyone to drive like maniacs.

Room reset tend to do that.

There might be some truth to that

jk, of course. But no, you can actually win these in the first couple laps, FYI.

You can? I'd say it is easier to lose it.

 

[twistedfirework]

Wow, what's happened tonight guys. It doesn't sound like everything went off smooth.

 

[Paginas1]

Wooooooooooooooooooooo im on fire!!!!

 

[CSLACR]

Wooooooooooooooooooooo im on fire!!!!

Did you win I take it?
You had great pace in our practice race, good job.👍

There might be some truth to that

You can? I'd say it is easier to lose it.

Well sure, but if you take everyone else out and get to the pits first...

I've learned a few things the past month, most notably we've probably become too relaxed on poor driving etiquette as of late.
It only compounds problems because if it's a slower and faster driver(often is) it means the faster driver has no choice but to race more aggressively. If they want to get past the car, that is.

It quickly gets to a point where you have to let them in front or your race is over.
That's not racing at all, it's letting someone win because they'll crash into you if you don't.

 

[Adventuruss]

Wooooooooooooooooooooo im on fire!!!!

It's the curry.

 

[GV27]

What a sad way to finish the season. Especially when you're leading with 4 laps to go

 

[CSLACR]

What a sad way to finish the season. Especially when you're leading with 4 laps to go

Yeah that's a bum way to go Alex. What happened?

 

[Paginas1]

Yea must if been the curry lol.

I was catching Alex with about 5 laps to go. The gap was around 3 seconds and was catch fast but on the last cicane Alex has a crash with a back marker, would of been a interesting last few laps but hey **** happens (sorry Alex)

Sorry for poor quality was on my phone

 

[will-i-am]

My race turned into a battle for 5th after guys quit. Was catching force on his 2 stopper. (nice job). Then mich came in and the chat popped up in the corner as I was approaching. Threw me off. Then was push to catch back up and slide one more time 6 laps later. 1 lap to go. Oh well was a good race.

Congrats Pag.
Good season guys

 

[GV27]

I had been saving tyres for a few laps, since I knew Dan was catching me anyway.

Therefore, instead of going all out, I decided to go a bit slower, and administrate the time I had. My calculations said we'd meet at 2.5/3 laps to go, and I would have had enough tyres to fight with him with good options to win. Would not have been easy, of course, but I was confident, to be honest. (Still, congrats Dan, you were really strong here 👍 )

As for the crash, I was approaching the Triangle Chicane, and saw DA6righthand on the middle of the racing line. Literally on the middle. I thought he had seen me, or knew I was coming, and would not move, since I had space to pass him safely on the left. But then, as I was approaching him from the left, he started moving forward... and kept doing so until I had no space, and trying to save the crash, I got hit anyway.

 

[CSLACR]

I had been saving tyres for a few laps, since I knew Dan was catching me anyway.

Therefore, instead of going all out, I decided to go a bit slower, and administrate the time I had. My calculations said we'd meet at 2.5/3 laps to go, and I would have had enough tyres to fight with him with good options to win. Would not have been easy, of course, but I was confident, to be honest. (Still, congrats Dan, you were really strong here 👍 )

As for the crash, I was approaching the Triangle Chicane, and saw DA6righthand on the middle of the racing line. Literally on the middle. I thought he had seen me, or knew I was coming, and would not move, since I had space to pass him safely on the left. But then, as I was approaching him from the left, he started moving forward... and kept doing so until I had no space, and trying to save the crash, I got hit anyway.

Which is why "rage quits" are better than staying on the track just to get to the pits.

Driving around to pit lane (our approved method of quitting) is a danger and a hazard to drivers continuing to race. We simply don't have all the same things to avoid these problems like they do in real life, communication from pits, eyesight, full mirrors, car control, etc.

 

[GV27]

To be honest with you, the whole situation was strange.

I don't want to critisize DA6righthand, but I've just watched replay and he was 2 laps down, he had been out of the track (without damage) a few times during that lap, in some odd ways too. In my opinion, he was not really focused. And his return to the track after being to the gravel before the chicane was really strange as well.

Again, I understand it was NOT on purpose, and as far as I know, he's a fair and clean driver ( 👍 ) but I think it's not a matter of rage quitting vs reaching pit lane (especially because, what if someone wants to continue their race?), but rather, a matter of being focused when you drive.

I mean, when you drive against the AI, do whatever you want, but when you're racing against other people, I think it should be required to be focused on it, and not distracted for whatever reason. I understand that being 2 laps down and far away from the others is not exactly the best way to keep concentration, but...

 

[CSLACR]

To be honest with you, the whole situation was strange.

I don't want to critisize DA6righthand, but I've just watched replay and he was 2 laps down, he had been out of the track (without damage) a few times during that lap, in some odd ways too. In my opinion, he was not really focused. And his return to the track after being to the gravel before the chicane was really strange as well.

Again, I understand it was NOT on purpose, and as far as I know, he's a fair and clean driver ( 👍 ) but I think it's not a matter of rage quitting vs reaching pit lane (especially because, what if someone wants to continue their race?), but rather, a matter of being focused when you drive.

I mean, when you drive against the AI, do whatever you want, but when you're racing against other people, I think it should be required to be focused on it, and not distracted for whatever reason. I understand that being 2 laps down and far away from the others is not exactly the best way to keep concentration, but...

He was on his way to the pits to park Alex.
Had he quit instead (same exact thing really) it wouldn't have happened.

That's my only point. As for re-entering track rules, you'd have to be in his sight at least before he re-entered.

In my opinion, sometimes real-world crashes are enough that cars can't wobble to the pits. If this is the case, where you can't keep your car out of the way, I think we should label them "totaled" and have to quit.

Basically meaning if your car is damaged so heavily you might not be able to get out of the way and you do continue to drive, any incident as a result becomes your fault.

Again, I don't think from the sounds Da6 did anything wrong as per current rules, I just don't agree with the way we do this currently on quitting at all. I almost took a couple cars out yesterday in the Elise, so when it clicked in my head my distraction was a danger to others, I quit immediately.

 

[GV27]

Yes, my bad!! I hadn't seen what he wrote, since it was the last message on last page 👍 .

(Still, in such a situation, I would not call it "rage-quit", since the "quit" would not have been "rage-caused", right? )

And no, I never meant to say DA6 did anything "illegal", so to speak. But in any case, don't mind me too much. I lost a possible win and a second place in worst case scenario, and I'm upset.

 

[cicua]

Unfocused driver on track is definitely a dangerous obstacle and should not happen.

If I am for some reason going much slower than other traffic, I find it crucial to keep an eye on the track map to see if someone is coming up, it can easily be too late to react once they are in the mirror.

I also do not understand the going back to pits to exit thing. Just park it up somewhere far from the road, press handbrake and pause so you ghost and do not move. To me, that corresponds to a wrecked car that will be picked up by the crew after the race.

 

[Ealirendur]

Reasonably certain it's me and Ren's connections having a fight again.
Nothing to do about it, have fun guys.

Next time I'll just drop if it is my location causing issues; tired and sick going in, got spun off for light but annoying damage early, even being careful.

I can't figure out why, though, given the mesh; plenty of Americans, and when the room is created by one, the PSN servers are usually chosen to suit. I didn't even see any lag to speak of.

 

[Dr_Watson]

They were automatically added. The Pure website just didn't annotate that there was 2% added on.

actually it does. if someone puts in a time and then puts in a 2% penalty it will adjust the time by 2% and put 2% in the penalty column. example

If there is no penalty % listed the website didn't do an automatic calculation.

 

[CSLACR]

Yes, my bad!! I hadn't seen what he wrote, since it was the last message on last page 👍 .

(Still, in such a situation, I would not call it "rage-quit", since the "quit" would not have been "rage-caused", right? )

And no, I never meant to say DA6 did anything "illegal", so to speak. But in any case, don't mind me too much. I lost a possible win and a second place in worst case scenario, and I'm upset.

It wasn't a rage quit, that's just what they're generally labeled.
At least you still kept 3rd.

Unfocused driver on track is definitely a dangerous obstacle and should not happen.

If I am for some reason going much slower than other traffic, I find it crucial to keep an eye on the track map to see if someone is coming up, it can easily be too late to react once they are in the mirror.

I also do not understand the going back to pits to exit thing. Just park it up somewhere far from the road, press handbrake and pause so you ghost and do not move. To me, that corresponds to a wrecked car that will be picked up by the crew after the race.

I still fail to see how leaving a car on the track (anywhere) offers even a single tiny benefit over simply quitting to the lounge.
I can list some downsides though.

Next time I'll just drop if it is my location causing issues; tired and sick going in, got spun off for light but annoying damage early, even being careful.

I can't figure out why, though, given the mesh; plenty of Americans, and when the room is created by one, the PSN servers are usually chosen to suit. I didn't even see any lag to speak of.

I don't know that it was, just a guess really. I actually DC'd the last 2 times I left the room. That hasn't happened to me without my internet crapping out that I can remember. It could have been anyone not meshing with me, I just know that it was a meshing incident.(checked my internet and it's working as normal)

It was strange, the disappointing thing is I got the impression everyone panicked when I left the first room assuming I dc'd. A quick read on GTP or waiting when I got back in the room to explain would have sorted it.

Which brings me to the "decider". 99% of the time if people want a new room, they leave without time for anyone to say no, knowing everyone will follow as long as they leave.
IMO, that's seriously unacceptable. We can't have anyone and everyone just deciding to delay the race and try out new rooms on a whim.

"I want a new room, so I'll leave and then they'll have to make a new one."

So for future events, there should definitely be a single person making that call, not anyone who wants to. This is why not a single race of the last 4 started when we planned it.
Hell, Monaco was going to be 20 minutes early and we still didn't start till after "start time".

 

[IforceV8]

DA said post race he had his map zoomed in too tight.

I decided to not have a plan and just race for a while until the strategy came to me.💡 I gained 3 spots in 1 corner when ren spun and Team Arta all drove off trying to avoid it.I then had a little battle with Litchi who rear ended me then later went off the track Do the French not like yellow cars or what? I was thankfully alone for a few laps and was 8.7 sec back and catching the big group ahead of me when I dropped a wheel at Spoon and lost 8 sec.

Around lap 9 I have caught up to Traj and it's time to start thinking about when to pit.By lap 11 we are so close by the time he stops I decided to avoid a traffic jam and stay out until lap 14.I was hoping the room would crash as I had the lead briefly until the cars with fresh tires caught me.I have to go back and look at the replay because after I stopped the gap to the leader had grown to 46sec and I'm not sure why.

The rest of the race was pretty boring to be honest.I made a few mistakes that probably cost me 4th place with the time lost.The final stop came on lap 29.I decided to save the longest stint until the end when the fuel was low.I did add 10L just to be safe.

The only excitement in the last stint was watching Jash go flying off the track at 130R.Traj was catching me and I new the last lap would be interesting but he went off and it was time nurse the car home with very little front tire left.

Thanks to everybody who put in the time to keep the series moving 👍👍

 

[DA6righthand]

During that last lap of mine, I was getting extremely sleepy. Made ridiculous mistakes and decided to park it in the pits next lap. I can't believe how I affected the race. I'm aggravated and really pissed at what I did. It was a stupid move on my part. I knew I was better off getting out of everyones way. As far as I know, players receive more credits when there are more players on track. Therefore I felt it'd be better staying on track in the pits.

My race really was an aggravation altogether. Litchi bumped me early in the race and I lost a few positions. Not a big deal but I lost my concentration about then. Then Ren had some oversteer and I was too close and barely brushed him and got some damage. I cannot drive with damage on the ds3 so I pitted. From there on out I made tons of mistakes and the whole time I contemplated quitting then. And should've. I did rage quit. Not because my race was long gone, but because I ruined someone elses race. Sorry for ruining your race GV, that's all I can say.

 

[CSLACR]

During that last lap of mine, I was getting extremely sleepy. Made ridiculous mistakes and decided to park it in the pits next lap. I can't believe how I affected the race. I'm aggravated and really pissed at what I did. It was a stupid move on my part. I knew I was better off getting out of everyones way. As far as I know, players receive more credits when there are more players on track. Therefore I felt it'd be better staying on track in the pits.

My race really was an aggravation altogether. Litchi bumped me early in the race and I lost a few positions. Not a big deal but I lost my concentration about then. Then Ren had some oversteer and I was too close and barely brushed him and got some damage. I cannot drive with damage on the ds3 so I pitted. From there on out I made tons of mistakes and the whole time I contemplated quitting then. And should've. I did rage quit. Not because my race was long gone, but because I ruined someone elses race. Sorry for ruining your race GV, that's all I can say.

This is why I've never had a problem with people quitting. If we're pissed off, distracted, or otherwise not into it, we generally become a road hazard.

If it helps, credits are determined by a couple things, none of which are finishing drivers.
Course, distance, amount of drivers entered.

 

[DA6righthand]

This is why I've never had a problem with people quitting. If we're pissed off, distracted, or otherwise not into it, we generally become a road hazard.

If it helps, credits are determined by a couple things, none of which are finishing drivers.
Course, distance, amount of drivers entered.

Welp, lesson(s) learned. I'll keep out of the way or not race if I'm out of it. Today just wasn't my day.

Sometimes I feel these races aren't for me because I can't handle the nervousness and never can complete a race the way I know I could. I'm not consistent and make way too mistakes. I've learned a lot but generally these races lead to aggravation for me. The only race I've actually had fun with was Fuji. Others have not been so much. I've learned a lot but have a long way to go before I can be competitive with you guys.

 

[CSLACR]

Welp, lesson(s) learned. I'll keep out of the way or not race if I'm out of it. Today just wasn't my day.

Sometimes I feel these races aren't for me because I can't handle the nervousness and never can complete a race the way I know I could. I'm not consistent and make way too mistakes. I've learned a lot but generally these races lead to aggravation for me. The only race I've actually had fun with was Fuji. Others have not been so much. I've learned a lot but have a long way to go before I can be competitive with you guys.

Well first off, it's always ok to finish if you desire, that's not what I was trying to say. I just don't agree with our old methods of trying to insist everyone finish every race.
Regardless whether it's rage, distractions, or whatever else. Quitting just because you're in a worse position than you'd like is a different story, but any of us can simply pull the plug from out internet and DC anyway, so the whole thing is a moot point and fruitless battle if you ask me.

As for nervousness, etc, I'd like to tell you it passes, and it sort of does, but only to an extent.
The single thing most online racers can benefit from is slowing down and easing up during the race. We've been trained by the AI and offline portion of the game to push push push, and it's usually not the fastest way around a track 30+ times in a row.

I've ran very few races to the best of my ability, whether it's a distraction, boredom, getting hit, hitting someone, or just going off the track.
Yes, I get bored during races quite often. Not so much bored always, as it's very difficult for me to pay attention for that long, especially if there's nobody close enough to make me think.

 

[DA6righthand]

Quitting just because you're in a worse position than you'd like is a different story, but any of us can simply pull the plug from out internet and DC anyway, so the whole thing is a moot point and fruitless battle if you ask me.

I would never quit because I'm not happy with a position. But today was a day I should've quit earlier. I was an obstacle out there. Just a bad day. Too many things were on my mind anyways and I really shouldn't have raced anyways. For now though, I think I'm taking a break from racing. Seasonal events are gonna be about it for me. Hopefully I can race with you guys sometime again. It's a fun group.

 

[Josh_F]

I too have no problems with rage quitting just thought I'd say as I did in nurburgring :/

 

[GV27]

Don't get too upset about it, DA6. I know you mean good. In my mind, besides being obviously upset about it, I merely thought "That's racing". I mean, such things can happen, and in the end it's nobody's fault.

Sure, I may have thought that I wasn't to blame, and from my point of view when I was driving, I felt you could have been more careful about my position. But then again, I could have predicted that and chosen to avoid you through the left. Or even reduce my speed considerably to avoid any problem. So, again, that's racing man. Sometimes this kind of thing happens, and it can't be helped. Don't let it get to you 👍

I used to be absolutely horrible at racing, despite having some speed. I would get really nervous (I still do sometimes), and I would mess up during the races themselves, usually, and being absolutely bad at consistence. You can ask Dom (CSL) among others, since they gave me a bit of advice during JGTS. Then, during WSGTC, I guess the good results boosted my confidence and let me focus on improving my flaws. It takes some time, but it can be done.

And when you look back and see how much you've improved, it's really cool 👍

 

[OwensRacing]

Had a good race shaping up running Hellboy. However he over shot the last chicane and his mistake become my problem when he didn't yield any and I collected hid rear as he came back into race line.

Hellboy. Stay off race line when you make a mistake like this and your car is obviously off pace of incoming car(s). You was to worried about losing a position and this ruined my race. Thanks for being a responsible driver and addressing this. LoL j/k he ignored and prob don't care.

 

[IforceV8]

Had a good race shaping up running Hellboy. However he over shot the last chicane and his mistake become my problem when he didn't yield any and I collected hid rear as he came back into race line.

Hellboy. Stay off race line when you make a mistake like this and your car is obviously off pace of incoming car(s). You was to worried about losing a position and this ruined my race. Thanks for being a responsible driver and addressing this. LoL j/k he ignored and prob don't care.

I saw that move and too many others by several cars in the replay that deserve penalties.

 

[twistedfirework]

I saw that move and too many others by several cars in the replay that deserve penalties.

Maybe, these examples should be used to remind everyone what is expected when racing in a PURE event. on the whole this season, the driving has been of the required standard. Anyone can make a genuine mistake, a reminder for future series can't hurt though. It's a real shame that this series has to end on a negative note. Let's try to turn this into a positive. We have a good respectful bunch of drivers running in this event, all of whom know how to race to the PURE standards. Let's all help each other to keep to those standards.
The mistake from this season in my opinion was to have a mid season break. That seemed to trigger a drop in driver numbers, practice hours and general decline in racing standards. As long as we as a group learn from any mistakes and shortcomings, we can can continue to move forward.
I look forward to racing with everyone again, real soon.

 

[CSLACR]

As do I.

I very much agree long breaks are one of the worst ideas known to online racing series.
We had GTA so this was a bit different, but the end result was exactly the same, dwindled numbers by the time it got going again. This was best-case scenario for such a long break, 99% of series would have just collapsed.