PURE | JGTS - Going on strong and adapting in the face of change!
- Thread starter Denilson
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) called Barcelona will pass today over Real Madrid in the quarter final of the spanish cup jijiji go Barça gooooo 
- 4,853
- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
It's the ambiguity that makes it feel like a random freeway drag race to me. I don't even try at the start anymore.
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o-oOK so above we've got a start-finish line and 8 cars rolling up to it. Car 1 floors it and then car 2 responds. Now is car 3 paying attention to car2 or car1 as "the car in front"?
If it's car 1, then car 2 and 3 are going to go at the same time, but is car 4 paying attention to car 2 or 3 as it's signal? or more likely car 1 since he can see car 1 take off. When you get farther back to car 7,8 and beyond it's just pretty random when you're going to actually start after the "do I go when the car physically in front of me (5 is behind 3) or logically in front of me (5 is behind 4) goes" compounds down the line so that your start is dependent on the start of those in front of you so that the left row might get better jumps than the right row, but at the same time everyone is going to go when the car next to them start in on it creating the impromptu drag race.
I just don't see the benefit. In single file it just waterfalls down the line evenly for everyone. You watch the car directly in front of you and react to it. Everyone gets off and nicely into turn 1 single file with no need to 'zipper'.
I don't see how that's possible. The cars aren't physically changing size.
Double File
After Turn 1 in A where everyone goes into a single file the distance on the following straight at B will be the same as if they'd gone through Turn 1 single file to begin with.
Single File
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- 10,456
- United States
- WrecklessAbandon
Well, pretty much what is supposed to be everyone's main goal, is to get down to single file by turn 1.
Honestly, our starts are getting good to the point where it doesn't concern me anymore. We've achieved a pretty good balance, some of us still get a little anxious early on in long races, but it's not guaranteed that 3/4 the field will crash in the first 10 laps.
So I'm happy with what we have.
From a technical standpoint, it's silly to line up beside each other and try to get in line, when we could just start in line. So while we can say "we're supposed to try to get single file right away", clearly we're leaving passing an option on the table, and we want to be able to make a pass or two by turn one if we get 'the jump'. 💡
I think we drive well enough lately that double file works great as is, with the right drivers.
Honestly, our starts are getting good to the point where it doesn't concern me anymore. We've achieved a pretty good balance, some of us still get a little anxious early on in long races, but it's not guaranteed that 3/4 the field will crash in the first 10 laps.
So I'm happy with what we have.
From a technical standpoint, it's silly to line up beside each other and try to get in line, when we could just start in line. So while we can say "we're supposed to try to get single file right away", clearly we're leaving passing an option on the table, and we want to be able to make a pass or two by turn one if we get 'the jump'. 💡
I think we drive well enough lately that double file works great as is, with the right drivers.
- 4,853
- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
Well, pretty much what is supposed to be everyone's main goal, is to get down to single file by turn 1.
Honestly, our starts are getting good to the point where it doesn't concern me anymore. We've achieved a pretty good balance, some of us still get a little anxious early on in long races, but it's not guaranteed that 3/4 the field will crash in the first 10 laps.
So I'm happy with what we have.
From a technical standpoint, it's silly to line up beside each other and try to get in line, when we could just start in line. So while we can say "we're supposed to try to get single file right away", clearly we're leaving passing an option on the table, and we want to be able to make a pass or two by turn one if we get 'the jump'. 💡
I think we drive well enough lately that double file works great as is, with the right drivers.
Like I said, I just prefer single file... just answering Denilson's query.
I'm pretty sure the safety record comes from enough people like me not caring about the start. I don't start racing until Lap 2 in this series. I know there probably would have been a turn 1 pile up in the monaco sprint if I hadn't given the spot to GV going into the first turn. (which I did because even though I was in p2 on the inside line I've been around GV enough at the starts to know that he like to be really racy at the beginning so I backed off and let him cut across into turn 1 and filed in behind him.)
So IMO it feels like there's enough people who's sole focus is avoiding chaos that it works out. I know I'm not the only one out there.
But back to my previous post... what does "the car in front of you" mean when there are two cars in front of you? Are p2 & 3 both watching p1? or is p3 supposed to wait for p2 to go? It's the 'trying to get a jump on someone' bit that I don't like about the whole business. It just ends up pretty random since it's not like each row is gassing it when they hit the s/f line, it's all based on the vague notion of "the car in front".
- 10,456
- United States
- WrecklessAbandon
To be honest I use the car directly in front of me, and if I see myself really getting a jump on someone I ease into partial throttle and peddle them, trying to fit in the largest gap front and rear I can fit into.
Often times getting the jump on someone means a messy first turn.
Also I think everyone's driving around traffic has improved, and I think people are learning that getting a great start doesn't mean that much in these long races, or even the sprint races.
There are guys I know will make the move, and guys I know will not make the move, so that helps too. Knowing exactly what your opponent will do always helps.
- 4,881
- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
The car in front of you means.. The car 1 spot ahead of you.
You can watch the Monza replay, and watch me holding my throttle until welsh go. I do not go when Redreevos go.. But as I said, not all does that. And I've also lost a spot to false starters... Which is a shame. But I don't bother that much. The worst one was Joshua1994 who overtook me at Monaco. Not the nicest track to loose a spot at.. Especially not when driving an NSX.
Joshua1994, I'm not tring to call you out or anything. We're all good! 👍
You can watch the Monza replay, and watch me holding my throttle until welsh go. I do not go when Redreevos go.. But as I said, not all does that. And I've also lost a spot to false starters... Which is a shame. But I don't bother that much. The worst one was Joshua1994 who overtook me at Monaco. Not the nicest track to loose a spot at.. Especially not when driving an NSX.
Joshua1994, I'm not tring to call you out or anything. We're all good! 👍
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- 1,121
- Barcelona
- GV27-
I'm always looking at the car one spot in front of me, not the car directly ahead of me.
By the way, now I see me being mentioned... I hope I haven't been too aggressive at starts! If I am, please do tell me. I would never want to be a problem for the other guys 👍 . In any case, those who know me from before PURE, racing in the Integras, would know that I never got into any clash with other drivers, so I'd like to think I'm rather clean
By the way, now I see me being mentioned... I hope I haven't been too aggressive at starts! If I am, please do tell me. I would never want to be a problem for the other guys 👍 . In any case, those who know me from before PURE, racing in the Integras, would know that I never got into any clash with other drivers, so I'd like to think I'm rather clean
- 4,853
- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
I'm always looking at the car one spot in front of me, not the car directly ahead of me.
By the way, now I see me being mentioned... I hope I haven't been too aggressive at starts! If I am, please do tell me. I would never want to be a problem for the other guys 👍 . In any case, those who know me from before PURE, racing in the Integras, would know that I never got into any clash with other drivers, so I'd like to think I'm rather clean
No worries nothing bad... just something I've noticed about the starts. Some drivers turn up the pace from 0-10 on a knob. Some like to do it on a switch. And the aliens use a knob it just goes to 11 and they turn it real fast.
- 4,881
- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
- 738
- GTP_Welsh-Bain
Sure Den, I'll be there in 5
Den - 2'14.729 Clean 👍
Den - 2'14.729 Clean 👍
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- 1,619
- The Mitten
- BrosifDuder
- 738
- GTP_Welsh-Bain
Oh boy! After watching Den's qualifying run earlier I decided I'd stick around and run my first laps at Spa in the Stealth NSX. This wasn't pretty and I'm shocked to say, the rain may be welcome from my pit stall. Ran a best of 2'15.5xx and I think I'll be lucky to run a low 15 for qualifying, just hope I can make D1 
- 7,284
- Inverness, Scotland
- GTP_PaulMac/paulmac2k9
Im quallifing on Sat as per usual if thats ok as I havent even returned to Spa yet.
- 1,208
- San Diego
- RedReevos / GTP_RedReevos
Looks like I can log in now.. But.. I am off to volleyball, and the earliest I will be able to qualify would be later tonight.
Not a bad time, considering you are caryying 80kg of ballast. I seem to be running .4-.6 slow with just 40kg of ballast. I did manage a best of '14.3 with the ballast, but that lap was definitely an anomaly and not the norm.
Ran a best of 2'15.5xx and I think I'll be lucky to run a low 15 for qualifying, just hope I can make D1
Not a bad time, considering you are caryying 80kg of ballast. I seem to be running .4-.6 slow with just 40kg of ballast. I did manage a best of '14.3 with the ballast, but that lap was definitely an anomaly and not the norm.
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- The Mitten
- BrosifDuder
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- Indiana-USA
- OwensRacing
Checking in!
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- France
I am answering your question with the answer you gave me last week when I asked the same question.
wonderful Bro 👍
EDIT: is there a room open atm ?
