PURE | JGTS - Going on strong and adapting in the face of change!

[lapierre4]

I just thought of something... What about inviting Forcednduckshn? Wardez, you know him like me, that is well enough to vouch for him right?

 

[Dr_Watson]

I just thought of something... What about inviting Forcednduckshn? Wardez, you know him like me, that is well enough to vouch for him right?

I'd love to see him in here. Not sure if he can commit to the schedule though.

 

[Wardez]

Yeah LP, thanks for the suggestion. We shot him an invite in the first wave of invites but he's not sure how free his Sundays will be but once winter's in full swing it's oossible that he'll join us 👍.

 

[Imari]

Has anyone tried to run straight line speed tests with and without DF after the spec 2.0 update? Because if things remained the same then there is no point in running non-maxxed out DF settings as there is no significant(if any) speed gain.

There is still one reason to consider running less than max DF. Car balance. On some tracks the cars can be better balanced with non-maximum rear downforce. I seem to recall Laguna Seca in an NSX (or Garaiya) being an excellent example of this.

But essentially you're correct. You run the absolute maximum downforce you can without regards to the consequences to top speed, because the consequences are minimal compared to the benefits.

I doubt they'll have fixed it in Spec2 as it would have knock-on changes to all sorts of parts of the physics system, but I'll check today.

 

[The Outlaw]

There is still one reason to consider running less than max DF. Car balance. On some tracks the cars can be better balanced with non-maximum rear downforce. I seem to recall Laguna Seca in an NSX (or Garaiya) being an excellent example of this..

Personally I think max DF has always been the way to go (at least when I was in the full swing of things a few months back). Generally I would just toy (usually running some very extreme settings to increase the front bite and cornering speeds) with the ride height and rear toe to get the desired balance for the car.

Btw, does anyone know if the FFB in GT5 has been increased in strength over the past few months? It sure seems like there's a lot more FFB strength than there used to be. And unfortunately I still have too much FFB atm with my G27 @ 1

 

[CSLACR]

Has anyone tried to run straight line speed tests with and without DF after the spec 2.0 update? Because if things remained the same then there is no point in running non-maxxed out DF settings as there is no significant(if any) speed gain.

I have done some serious km racing the ADVAN GTR in other championships and i can guarantee you that with 9bhp more than the other GTR's it will not be on par at any track. It has the same amount of grip of the other GTR's on the front but less on the rear and that makes it more difficult to drive and also less tuneable. Therefore i would suggest either banning it (plus the other 2 weird cars, ENEOS,BANDAI) or do some very thorough tests in order to finalize their specs on a good level (impossible IMO, considering all the performance parameteres).

Yes.

The update tomorrow brings us this:

"[Car Restrictions], [Performance Points], [Power], and [Car Model] regulations will be possible to set simultaneously."

We have nothing to worry about, this is awesome.

I'm going to go check it out quick... See what we have.

 

[Wardez]

hah, thanks CSL, a little more work to do in the pre-race checks, but it's worthy.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Btw, does anyone know if the FFB in GT5 has been increased in strength over the past few months? It sure seems like there's a lot more FFB strength than there used to be. And unfortunately I still have too much FFB atm with my G27 @ 1

Not sure about the feedback, but the 2.0 update brought a physics adjustment.

 

[CSLACR]

"[Car Restrictions], [Performance Points], [Power], and [Car Model] regulations will be possible to set simultaneously."

Well, it's exactly that.

 

[redreevos]

Wardez: I'm planning a trip with some friends to Vegas.. Dec 21st-Dec 30th..

Question 1: What's the weather like?

Hmm, might see you out there. We usually visit my wife's family out there around Christmas time. The last few have been cold and windy. Might even get lucky and see some snow.

Btw, does anyone know if the FFB in GT5 has been increased in strength over the past few months? It sure seems like there's a lot more FFB strength than there used to be. And unfortunately I still have too much FFB atm with my G27 @ 1

Turbo and many others have noted a difference in wheel "feel" since 2.0. Its hard for me to tell, because I sent back a bad wheel pre update, and got the new one post update. But most of the comments are related to feel rather than strength of feedback. Hmm, not sure, but you might have a stronger G27 than me. I ran some rally's and turned the ffb to 1. Forgot to change it back to my normal 7 and went to Spa. It felt so loose and non-existent to me.

Want to trade wheels? (yours always seems so fast........... maybe its driver related 💡)

 

[SuperSic]

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[SuperSic]

Interesting, T. Do you think the ADVAN GTR is lacking in mechanical grip in the rear, or is it simply an aero related deficiency? If it's aero related I'd imagine putting a restriction on the quicker GT-R's (YH, Calsonic, Xanavi,etc.) rear aero would probably solve this to a good degree. Of course that would makes those cars more difficult to drive (but maybe a bit more fun for some), but then again they are already much easier to drive than a lot of the other GT500 cars, which initself is quite an advantage in a long race where consistancy is key.

It's tough to say. As you know, in GT5 , rear aero doesn't only increase stability and grip through mid-high speed corners but it also has an unreasonably big impact on the way the car exits a mid-low speed corner. It is almost like the aero physics don't calculate the speed of the car while adding grip.

In the ADVAN, you will notice the difference in rear grip with the other GT-R's mainly while exiting mid-low speed corners. Which IRL would suggest less mechanical rear grip, but in GT5 ''feels'' like less rear DF. Another fact is that the tail is loose but not snappy or uncontrollable, it gradually steps out. Something that also suggests that it has less rear DF.

So, as you said, running the other GT-R's with a 50-55(needs testing) max rear DF would probably be the best way to level the GT-R field. It's a very cool move IMO and it just adds a bit of extra work to tweak the specs of the rest of the cars.

We could also accumulate the grip problems that the NSX's have in this system. Putting a rear DF roof on all the cars except the NSX's, making it for example 48 for GTR's, 55 for SC430's etc.This way the field will be genuinly even as you won't have to add power to compensate for handling and therefore avoid having NSX's dominate high speed tracks and the other way around. It's a lot of work and it might just not work out as good as it seems but it's worth a try.

PS. Good to see you B. Nice pic.

 

[Imari]

Tested the aero. There's about a 5kph difference in top speed along the entire length of the Fuji straight between max and min aero. Which if I recall correctly is about the same as what we were seeing in Spec 1. So no change there.

I did want to try and test the aero effect on low speed grip too, but it's hard to generate a max grip situation and read off the dodgy little g-meter at the same time. I wouldn't be surprised if their aero fudge factor gives some weird results at low speed though.

 

[The Outlaw]

Hmm, might see you out there. We usually visit my wife's family out there around Christmas time. The last few have been cold and windy. Might even get lucky and see some snow.



Turbo and many others have noted a difference in wheel "feel" since 2.0. Its hard for me to tell, because I sent back a bad wheel pre update, and got the new one post update. But most of the comments are related to feel rather than strength of feedback. Hmm, not sure, but you might have a stronger G27 than me. I ran some rally's and turned the ffb to 1. Forgot to change it back to my normal 7 and went to Spa. It felt so loose and non-existent to me.

Want to trade wheels? (yours always seems so fast........... maybe its driver related 💡)

Yea, I don't know what the problem is. Maybe I could try adjusting the FFB through the logitech profiler on my PC, although I think the profiler only has an affect on the FFB settings while playing a game on the PC unfortuantely (i.e. their is no internal storage device inside the wheel that would store these settings for a console game afaik).

It's tough to say. As you know, in GT5 , rear aero doesn't only increase stability and grip through mid-high speed corners but it also has an unreasonably big impact on the way the car exits a mid-low speed corner. It is almost like the aero physics don't calculate the speed of the car while adding grip.

In the ADVAN, you will notice the difference in rear grip with the other GT-R's mainly while exiting mid-low speed corners. Which IRL would suggest less mechanical rear grip, but in GT5 ''feels'' like less rear DF. Another fact is that the tail is loose but not snappy or uncontrollable, it gradually steps out. Something that also suggests that it has less rear DF.

So, as you said, running the other GT-R's with a 50-55(needs testing) max rear DF would probably be the best way to level the GT-R field. It's a very cool move IMO and it just adds a bit of extra work to tweak the specs of the rest of the cars.

We could also accumulate the grip problems that the NSX's have in this system. Putting a rear DF roof on all the cars except the NSX's, making it for example 48 for GTR's, 55 for SC430's etc.This way the field will be genuinly even as you won't have to add power to compensate for handling and therefore avoid having NSX's dominate high speed tracks and the other way around. It's a lot of work and it might just not work out as good as it seems but it's worth a try.

PS. Good to see you B. Nice pic.

Nice, this exactly what I was thinking to 👍

 

[Denilson]

That's an interesting idea.
However, I feel that I achieved a good level for the NSX's..
If we're not happy with the final specs, we should def go the DF route. 👍

 

[Dr_Watson]

Yea, I don't know what the problem is. Maybe I could try adjusting the FFB through the logitech profiler on my PC, although I think the profiler only has an affect on the FFB settings while playing a game on the PC unfortuantely (i.e. their is no internal storage device inside the wheel that would store these settings for a console game afaik).

Yeah, if you want "on-wheel" controls you need to go the road I went and get a Fanatec wheel. It's sooooo nice being able to change FFB, deadzones, rotation, etc... all in the hardware and save it in profiles. (I have 3 different setups, normal - rally - F1)

If I had to guess what you're noticing is that spec2 came with "official" support for the G25/27 wheels. So it isn't treating those as generic wheels anymore. That would most certainly have an effect on the way FFB is handled.

 

[Litchi]

Room open: 1472-6681-3115-0602-6896

EDIT: room off

New room: 1472-6399-8880-6890-6673

 

[IforceV8]

I just finished a aero drag test at Spa and learned a few interesting things.

The settings for the test

Online lounge,grip real,tire wear on
Default suspension,lsd,trans,and race hard tires.
Aero max followed by a run with aero min.

Procedure i used.

Exit the pits and carefully drive (to keep tires cool) to the top of Eau Rouge and do a U-turn.I park the car at the end of the FIA red/white curbing on the left side of the track (normal track direction).I use bumper cam so i can line up the edge of the curb on the bottom right side of the tv screen.

Set the parking brake,car in 6th gear (shouldnt matter but i did the same for all).

Release the brake and coast back toward the pits following the racing line as close as possible with a minimum of steering inputs.I stay off the curbs to reduce the chance of speed loss.All of the GT500 cars i tested reached 46 mph and stopped near the same starting grid box-but not exactly.

The reason this shows the effect of the wing settings is that the car will roll almost a car length farther with the wings set to the minimum settings compared to max.Less wing = less drag

Results.

I tested all four 08 GT-R's and they results show that they are all equal in aero drag/downforce.The Clarion stopped in the exactly same spot as the Xanavi,Calsonic,and Yellow Hat with both min and max aero.There was however one GT-R that didnt stop in the same spot,the Stealth GT-R acutually stopped shorter than the rest.The feel of the Stealth when hot lapping is that it has more grip (to me anyway) and this result seems to show that it has a downforce advantage.

I then tested the Raybrig NSX and the Stealth NSX.The aero advantage the Raybrig has compared to the GT-R is huge,it actually went farther with max aero than the GT-R did with minimum aero.The Stealth NSX stopped about half a car length shorter than the Raybrig

I then tested a car that is very close in top speed as the NSX's-the 03 Woodone Supra and it stopped in virtually the same place as the Raybrig.

Next up were the Denso and Toms's Lexus.They were both equal and stopped almost a half a car length behind the GT-R.I then tried the 06 Bandai and found that even with only 35-60 aero it stopped shorter than the 08's with 40-65 aero.

The one suprise here is the 97 Supra.Even though it has 50-70 aero it stopped just short of the 03 Supra,which only has 35-60 aero.


Conclusions

The tire model for the Woodone Clarion is bad.Its the only one on Yokohama tires,the rest are on Bridestones.There are also slight handling differences between the Denso and Toms Lexus but they are not bad differences.The Denso uses Dunlop's and the Toms is a Bridgestone car.


Solutions

Since its not possible to set the rooms based on downforce settings there is no way to get these cars 100% equal.The NSX will always be the fastest on the straights.Adding ballast to the front will help with the handling issues but limiting its HP too much will slow it down for the entire lap.

Im not sure if there is a magic setup that will fix the Clarion.The exit oversteer make this car almost impossible to drive with a DS3.Maybe adding some ballast and moving it around can make this car better?

The Stealth cars are either superior in downforce or they are not efficient enough.I suspect there have a downforce advantage but i dont have the lap times to back that up.

I know this isnt a perfect test but since we dont have access to a wind tunnel this will have to do.

 

[CSLACR]

I just finished a aero drag test at Spa and learned a few interesting things.

The settings for the test

Online lounge,grip real,tire wear on
Default suspension,lsd,trans,and race hard tires.
Aero max followed by a run with aero min.

Procedure i used.

Exit the pits and carefully drive (to keep tires cool) to the top of Eau Rouge and do a U-turn.I park the car at the end of the FIA red/white curbing on the left side of the track (normal track direction).I use bumper cam so i can line up the edge of the curb on the bottom right side of the tv screen.

Set the parking brake,car in 6th gear (shouldnt matter but i did the same for all).

Release the brake and coast back toward the pits following the racing line as close as possible with a minimum of steering inputs.I stay off the curbs to reduce the chance of speed loss.All of the GT500 cars i tested reached 46 mph and stopped near the same starting grid box-but not exactly.

The reason this shows the effect of the wing settings is that the car will roll almost a car length farther with the wings set to the minimum settings compared to max.Less wing = less drag

Results.

I tested all four 08 GT-R's and they results show that they are all equal in aero drag/downforce.The Clarion stopped in the exactly same spot as the Xanavi,Calsonic,and Yellow Hat with both min and max aero.There was however one GT-R that didnt stop in the same spot,the Stealth GT-R acutually stopped shorter than the rest.The feel of the Stealth when hot lapping is that it has more grip (to me anyway) and this result seems to show that it has a downforce advantage.

I then tested the Raybrig NSX and the Stealth NSX.The aero advantage the Raybrig has compared to the GT-R is huge,it actually went farther with max aero than the GT-R did with minimum aero.The Stealth NSX stopped about half a car length shorter than the Raybrig

I then tested a car that is very close in top speed as the NSX's-the 03 Woodone Supra and it stopped in virtually the same place as the Raybrig.

Next up were the Denso and Toms's Lexus.They were both equal and stopped almost a half a car length behind the GT-R.I then tried the 06 Bandai and found that even with only 35-60 aero it stopped shorter than the 08's with 40-65 aero.

The one suprise here is the 97 Supra.Even though it has 50-70 aero it stopped just short of the 03 Supra,which only has 35-60 aero.


Conclusions

The tire model for the Woodone Clarion is bad.Its the only one on Yokohama tires,the rest are on Bridestones.There are also slight handling differences between the Denso and Toms Lexus but they are not bad differences.The Denso uses Dunlop's and the Toms is a Bridgestone car.


Solutions

Since its not possible to set the rooms based on downforce settings there is no way to get these cars 100% equal.The NSX will always be the fastest on the straights.Adding ballast to the front will help with the handling issues but limiting its HP too much will slow it down for the entire lap.

Im not sure if there is a magic setup that will fix the Clarion.The exit oversteer make this car almost impossible to drive with a DS3.Maybe adding some ballast and moving it around can make this car better?

The Stealth cars are either superior in downforce or they are not efficient enough.I suspect there have a downforce advantage but i dont have the lap times to back that up.

I know this isnt a perfect test but since we dont have access to a wind tunnel this will have to do.

Couple things, firstly, did you add weight to the Stealth models for this?
Second, the NSX is the fastest at the same power, meaning it has an aerodynamic efficiency advantage, so it should coast further. This is the difference between total air resistance and downforce, which are linked, but not the same.

I do agree with the final result, the Enos and Advan are at tire disadvantages, I'd suggested maybe R2 tires for them, however I ran a 13.0 on R2's in a stock Advan on my first lap, so that's out as well.

Downforce restrictions - even if we don't for most cars, this may be a very good option for the Castrol Tom's Supra, which runs 50/70 instead of 40/65 of most cars, undoubtedly one of the reasons I was able to turn faster times with a stock 504hp (not broken in all the way) Tom's Supra.

I think the easiest way we have, is knock off the Enos and Advan at the least, add 50kg to all GTR's and NSX's (except stealth's which get 100kg) and limit the downforce on the Tom's Supra.
Bandai and YMS would stay at 1090 and 1100kg for their lack of downforce.

- OR -

1150KG for everything, maximum downforce 35/60 for all cars. (Still have to scrap Enos/Advan IMO)

Any thoughts?

Edit: By the way, the stealth NSX weighs 1100kg, not sure here the 1050 spec came in.

 

[IforceV8]

Good call on the GT-R Stealth,i had the weight added in my "A" setup but i was using "C" for this and it was 1050.With the weight at 1100 the Stealth is the same as the other GT-R's.Maybe it felt better to me because its new and special,i dont know. 50 kg seems to make a huge difference in inertia.I'm not even going to try and figure that one out...

I went back and checked the NSX's.The Stealth is 1100 and is a few feet shorter in its run than the Raybrig and Takata.Its is on Dunlops but unless they are wider i doubt thats the reason.

I also bought a Eneos to try and found its problem is not the tires but its aero.It is on Bridgestones like the Toms but it went farther than either of the other Lexus 08's.

The YMS Supra at 1100kg beats the NSX's by almost a full car length.

The 97 Supra is already 1150kg so the added downforce is the trade-off for more tire wear most likely.

A Denso SC430 with the wings set to 20-35 finishes in exactly the same spot on the grid as a GT-R with the wings at 40-65.I dont think that taking 5-5 off the 40-65 cars will make much if any difference.

 

[CSLACR]

Good call on the GT-R Stealth,i had the weight added in my "A" setup but i was using "C" for this and it was 1050.With the weight at 1100 the Stealth is the same as the other GT-R's.Maybe it felt better to me because its new and special,i dont know. 50 kg seems to make a huge difference in inertia.I'm not even going to try and figure that one out...

I went back and checked the NSX's.The Stealth is 1100 and is a few feet shorter in its run than the Raybrig and Takata.Its is on Dunlops but unless they are wider i doubt thats the reason.

I also bought a Eneos to try and found its problem is not the tires but its aero.It is on Bridgestones like the Toms but it went farther than either of the other Lexus 08's.

The YMS Supra at 1100kg beats the NSX's by almost a full car length.

The 97 Supra is already 1150kg so the added downforce is the trade-off for more tire wear most likely.

A Denso SC430 with the wings set to 20-35 finishes in exactly the same spot on the grid as a GT-R with the wings at 40-65.I dont think that taking 5-5 off the 40-65 cars will make much if any difference.

To be honest, I think the easiest form of testing is lapping each car, we know the Denso/Petronas SC430's and most GTR's are all but dead even with each other, along with the Xanavi Nismo Z and Tom's 97 Supra.

The trick is matching them to the remaining cars. Adding weight to those helps match them to the NSX's, so that's a viable option.
I haven't tried lowering downforce so they're all at 1150kg and 35/60, but in theory I believe the Bandai is equal to the Denso and Petronas except for it's lower downforce, also the YMS Supra.

The other option I can see is just running the 97 Castrol Supra, Xanavi Z, Denso/Petronas Sc430, All GTR's minus Advan, and all NSX's possibly minus the Epson... But then we need more then 2 drivers for each car.

My current idea is to try laps (somewhere other than Spa) with all cars at 1150kg and 35/60, I'll try to see what I can find tonight on that.
Any thoughts are welcome, and greatly appreciated from anyone.

Will post room number when I get on if there isn't one up, any track suggestions? I suck at Laguna, can't run consistently enough myself for proper testing there, I'm think Suzuka, and TGTT has actually served my testing well in the past, so maybe there too?

 

[Imari]

Pretty awesome testing. Nice work.

I will point out that GT5's tyre modelling system is fairly primitive, so any differences you're seeing are likely not as a result of that. I highly doubt that they modelled the differences between tyre manufacturers, for example. In this test it likely comes down to weight, aero, and the innate aerodynamics of the car's shape. I'd say rolling resistance could be a factor too, but if I was PD I wouldn't have bothered modelling that in a unique way for each car because it would be a total waste of time.

 

[Denilson]

Awesome test results! 👍

I'm in the middle of testing the cars out as well.
Let's just say that I'm going in the same direction as you guys.

My tests are not final, but this is roughly what I'm working with right now as far as DF and weight goes..

AUTECH MOTUL GT-R: 1150 kg, Full DF
XANAVI NISMO GT-R: 1150 kg, Full DF
YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R: 1150 kg, Full DF
CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R: 1150 kg, Full DF
WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R: 1130 kg, Full DF (This one is hard to get om par, but I'm actually getting closer. Details later)
XANAVI NISMO Z: 1150 kg, Full DF
CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA: 1150 kg, 40/65 DF
TAKATA DOME NSX: 1130 kg, Full DF
RAYBRIG NSX: 1130 kg, Full DF
ARTA NSX: 1130 kg, Full DF
EPSON NSX: 1180 kg, Full DF
DENSO DUNLOP SC430: 1150 kg, Full DF
PETRONAS TOM'S SC430: 1150 kg, Full DF
YELLOWHAT SUPRA: 1130 kg, Full DF
BANDAI DIREZZA SC430: Not yet tested
ENEOS SC430: Not yet tested
STEALTH GT500 NSX; Not yet tested (how do I get hold of one?)
STEALTH GT500 GT-R: Not yet tested (how do I get hold of one?)

Comments:
1. The extra weight for the YELLOWHAT SUPRA might seem strange, but the handling is improved a lot, so all in all, it does the car good.
2. Extra 20 kg for the GT-R's (exept WOODONE), the DENSO/PETRONAS and the Z is to further slow the cornering speeds. It's looking good so far during tests.
3. The limited allowed aero (40/65 instead of 50/70) for the CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA does it's job perfectly. It's now even with the DENSO/PETRONAS, Z and GT-R's in aero and weight. The powerful Engine need to be downtuned (details later).
4. What seems to be a lot of heavy load for the EPSON NSX is actually doing the handling really good. I'm almost sertain I'll get it on par with the others. 👍

I don't want to rule out any car already. But some are close to be imo. I just need to finalize my test before I state this or that.
Keep up the good work guys!

 

[Wardez]

Great results guys. I've been concentrating on the Epson NSX and the Woodone Clarion trying to get them on par with my times on Monza and Laguna Seca and the added weight is surprisngly effective.

I'll post times tomorrow 'cause I'm gonna break out the two Stealths. You get them as promotional DLC Dennis. I think it was only available as DLS right now to us here in NA 'cause of the week-long delay.

 

[CSLACR]

Awesome test results! 👍

I'm in the middle of testing the cars out as well.
Let's just say that I'm going in the same direction as you guys.

My tests are not final, but this is roughly what I'm working with right now as far as DF and weight goes..

AUTECH MOTUL GT-R: 1150 kg, Full DF
XANAVI NISMO GT-R: 1150 kg, Full DF
YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R: 1150 kg, Full DF
CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R: 1150 kg, Full DF
WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R: 1130 kg, Full DF (This one is hard to get om par, but I'm actually getting closer. Details later)
XANAVI NISMO Z: 1150 kg, Full DF
CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA: 1150 kg, 40/65 DF
TAKATA DOME NSX: 1130 kg, Full DF
RAYBRIG NSX: 1130 kg, Full DF
ARTA NSX: 1130 kg, Full DF
EPSON NSX: 1180 kg, Full DF
DENSO DUNLOP SC430: 1150 kg, Full DF
PETRONAS TOM'S SC430: 1150 kg, Full DF
YELLOWHAT SUPRA: 1130 kg, Full DF
BANDAI DIREZZA SC430: Not yet tested
ENEOS SC430: Not yet tested
STEALTH GT500 NSX; Not yet tested (how do I get hold of one?)
STEALTH GT500 GT-R: Not yet tested (how do I get hold of one?)

Comments:
1. The extra weight for the YELLOWHAT SUPRA might seem strange, but the handling is improved a lot, so all in all, it does the car good.
2. Extra 20 kg for the GT-R's (exept WOODONE), the DENSO/PETRONAS and the Z is to further slow the cornering speeds. It's looking good so far during tests.
3. The limited allowed aero (40/65 instead of 50/70) for the CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA does it's job perfectly. It's now even with the DENSO/PETRONAS, Z and GT-R's in aero and weight. The powerful Engine need to be downtuned (details later).
4. What seems to be a lot of heavy load for the EPSON NSX is actually doing the handling really good. I'm almost sertain I'll get it on par with the others. 👍

I don't want to rule out any car already. But some are close to be imo. I just need to finalize my test before I state this or that.
Keep up the good work guys!

I can tell you at 1150kg, stock using limiter, the Stealth GTR can easily be on par with others, that's no problem.👍
Stealth NSX I haven't fully tested, but I can give it a whirl then, weighs 1100kg 515hp stock, not sure if I changed oil, no miles at all. I expect the stealth NSX to be easily on par with other NSX's though as well.👍

Because the Bandai and YMS Supra have less downforce, I'm guessing 1130kg might be to much, I didn't get quite par at 1090kg, but then as I'd said, the extra weight on rear really gives it handling boost, and adds rear grip.

Good to hear the aero trick worked on the Castrol Supra, I hoped it would. 👍

Finally, as I said in the other thread, sorry for the mixed lobby guys (those that found it) it was intended to be Miatas, but I initially got more interested in Pure cars, thought mixed would work, but it didn't.

Next time I'll label it clearly, I'm sure it was at least semi-annoying dodging 200hp box's around the track.


Edit: BTW Dennis, the stealths unfortunately can't be borrowed or gifted, so that's out. (they can be shared, but not borrowed)
Oh, and GTP_timeattack is nuts. 13.2 in an NSX, not sure exactly what specs, but 530hp I think, and...wow.

 

[PureGTMuzz]

Hello

I would be very interested in participating in this event.

A little about myself..

Firstly this is my first post on GTPlanet but please don't let that fool you.

My name is Murray (Muzz), I live in New Zealand. I have been a member of the European forum Pure GT since January 2009. I am currently a full admin and the webmaster on the Pure GT forum. You may have heard of us due to our involvement with GTfusiOn. I am not super fast, I play fair and race by the Honourable Drivers Code.

I would be honoured to be able to participate.

My thanks go to Litchi_GTPlay.

Muzz (PSN ID - PureGT_Muzz)


PS - I hope I did this right, I did not quite understand the To sign up, Quote this post -> Remove the[/QUOTE] bit. My bad.

 

[Litchi]

Hey Hey Hey!!!

Glad to see you here mate!

 

[PureGTMuzz]

Thanks mate!!! Did I do the sign up right? I don't want to look like I'm completly stupid. Only a little bit.... LoLz

 

[Litchi]

Thanks mate!!! Did I do the sign up right? I don't want to look like I'm completly stupid. Only a little bit... LoLz

I think it's good. Wait just response Denilson or another moderator to confirm.
Hope to see you onboard for the pre-season race mate 👍

 

[PureGTMuzz]

Ok. Thank you.