PURE | JGTS - Going on strong and adapting in the face of change!
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The Outlaw
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- 3,042
- Bay Area, California
- GTP_timeattack
I agree CSL 👍 Not only will each room be more competitive and enjoyable amongst the different drivers, but it would likely allows us to collect more meaningful data, in terms of how the different cars perform against eachother in a race vs. just hotlapping
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- Wardez
- Wardez
Hmm, that's definitely a good idea. He means why don't we do a mock qualifier system in order to sort the room by fastest drivers instead of just having people sign up randomly? Just for this last practice race.
Question is, what would be the best way to do the qualifier?
I think this brings up a great opportunity to start teaching and
introducing the new guys how we do our week-long live 2 flying lap qualifying format.
I'll add mostly everyone on our driver list to the Google spreadsheet where we'll be posting every one's time. That
means mostly anyone of the drivers in this series will be qualified to host and conduct qualifying sessions.
Sound good? We have plenty of time too since we have till Saturday late night in the U.S/ early Sunday morning for those
around GMT/ Sunday evening for those in the far-East which should be the deadline.
Question is, what would be the best way to do the qualifier?
I think this brings up a great opportunity to start teaching and
introducing the new guys how we do our week-long live 2 flying lap qualifying format.
I'll add mostly everyone on our driver list to the Google spreadsheet where we'll be posting every one's time. That
means mostly anyone of the drivers in this series will be qualified to host and conduct qualifying sessions.
Sound good? We have plenty of time too since we have till Saturday late night in the U.S/ early Sunday morning for those
around GMT/ Sunday evening for those in the far-East which should be the deadline.
- 4,881
- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
Ok, so we sort the rooms thru a live qualifier during the week then. 👍
We leave the sign up list the way it is for now, and replace the names when quali deadline is reached. 👍
So, how will we handle qualifying during the season (and for this weeks race)?
Each driver will quali in race mode.
The race will be set to 4 laps.
Lap 1 is your warm up, Lap 2 and 3 are your 2 flyers, lap 4 is your "cool down", but since that's not neccessary, the "cool down" lap is for the Steward to note the times.
You must always finish the 4th lap if not stated otherwise by the steward.
The 4th lap is also there if more than 1 car quali at the same time (Start with 20 seconds between drivers), cause technically, the last friver in a session can be more than 180 seconds behind, so to make sure even the last driver is able to finish his 2nd flying lap, the 4th lap is there. 👍
During quali, the tracklimits are to be viewd up on as "If I go outside the line by 1 inch, my car falls apart and my quali is ****** UP.. Sort of..
3 (We have to agree on exact number of seconds) seconds WILL be added to a lap thet is not 100% clean.
If anyone feel insecure about the format, just ask. It's much better if you ask now, and not when we go "live". 👍
A quali session can under NO curcuimstance be restarted. You'll get 1 shot, and 1 shot only.
In case of a DC, you're allowed to reconnect and start from where you left. But, the lap that you DC'd on will count as "dirty" with no registered lap time.
So, if you DC during your warm up lap, all is good, just reconnect and restart your session.
If you DC during your 1st flying lap (Lap: 2), that lap is dirty, and you may reconnect, but this time, only your 2nd flying lap (Lap: 3) will count.
If you DC during you 2nd flying lap (Lap: 3), your 1st flyer will be your time. No need to restart the session since your last flyer (The one you DC'd on in this case) is dirty with no registered lap time.
We leave the sign up list the way it is for now, and replace the names when quali deadline is reached. 👍
So, how will we handle qualifying during the season (and for this weeks race)?
Each driver will quali in race mode.
The race will be set to 4 laps.
Lap 1 is your warm up, Lap 2 and 3 are your 2 flyers, lap 4 is your "cool down", but since that's not neccessary, the "cool down" lap is for the Steward to note the times.
You must always finish the 4th lap if not stated otherwise by the steward.
The 4th lap is also there if more than 1 car quali at the same time (Start with 20 seconds between drivers), cause technically, the last friver in a session can be more than 180 seconds behind, so to make sure even the last driver is able to finish his 2nd flying lap, the 4th lap is there. 👍
During quali, the tracklimits are to be viewd up on as "If I go outside the line by 1 inch, my car falls apart and my quali is ****** UP.. Sort of..
3 (We have to agree on exact number of seconds) seconds WILL be added to a lap thet is not 100% clean.
If anyone feel insecure about the format, just ask. It's much better if you ask now, and not when we go "live". 👍
A quali session can under NO curcuimstance be restarted. You'll get 1 shot, and 1 shot only.
In case of a DC, you're allowed to reconnect and start from where you left. But, the lap that you DC'd on will count as "dirty" with no registered lap time.
So, if you DC during your warm up lap, all is good, just reconnect and restart your session.
If you DC during your 1st flying lap (Lap: 2), that lap is dirty, and you may reconnect, but this time, only your 2nd flying lap (Lap: 3) will count.
If you DC during you 2nd flying lap (Lap: 3), your 1st flyer will be your time. No need to restart the session since your last flyer (The one you DC'd on in this case) is dirty with no registered lap time.
👍
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- Arnhem, Netherl
- TRP_NOSS
I would like to know how u guys take the last chicane at the end of sector 2 (im not sure if its a chicane lol)
my 44.2 was with 2 wheels tarmac 2 wheels green stuff.
Dennis told me that we where allowed to cut the chicane at monaco, thats why i'm asking this. I guess going deep in that chicane ( 2 wheels green stuff 2 wheels grass) will cut 0.5 from your lap
my 44.2 was with 2 wheels tarmac 2 wheels green stuff.
Dennis told me that we where allowed to cut the chicane at monaco, thats why i'm asking this. I guess going deep in that chicane ( 2 wheels green stuff 2 wheels grass) will cut 0.5 from your lap
- 9,741
- Las Vegas UTC-8
- Wardez
- Wardez
I'll be posting a track guide that has a lot of pictures detailing exactly what is dirty and what is clean. Green'crete should be treated same as grass and is not track. All white lines must be obeyed, especially coming out of Ascari.
- 9,741
- Las Vegas UTC-8
- Wardez
- Wardez
-----TRACK BOUNDARY IMAGES-----
Green checkmark = clean. Red x = dirty.
Turns 1 chicane. Stay on the red and white. Your angle of attack will be looked at closely.
Be very careful coming into T3 chicane Roggia. It's easy to get out of bounds in such a tight place. And yes we will utilize millimeter size tolerances when inspecting questionable lap replays, do not try to get fresh.
The black tar run off after turn 4 in the beginning of Lesmo is an easy place to have a sandwhich so staying clean is vital to keeping your lap going, not much science going on here and not much to gain from going off the red and white curbing - Cutting turn 5 will not be tolerated.
The run off in turn 5 can't be used for speed, as with T4's exit, so just stay on surface and you're fine - The more important part is your line back on track. You must get off the curbing before it ends and the green concrete keeps going. If you go back on track staying on the tar and crossing over the green concrete past the curbing your lap will be considered invalid. This goes for qualifying and during the race.
This is the proper line, though extremely close, in getting back on track after T5's exit.
This is Turn 7's first left kink curbing/green concrete pad and yes this is a bad lap. I was serious when I said millimeters - The partner image is a close shave, but definitely clean.
Now this is T7's right hand kink. Ascari is tough to get a good rhythm through, but if you're off like this, don't bother trying to save it. The second image is more tasteful and clean.
Ascari left kink exit.
Do not finish T7's exit by crossing the solid white line beyond the curbing - Join the track proper before the curb ends.
Turn 8/ Parabolica is impossible to cut to gain time so we won't worry about that, standard rules apply.
On to the pits:
Do not cut into the pits like this on entrance. You must take an intentional angle of attack when coming in out of the final turn. Stay inside the yellow line. We will hand out penalties for not doing so. If you're past the proper entrance and realize it when it's too late, it's better to just do another lap than receiving a penalty for pitting unappropriately.
On pit exit you must, again, stay within the yellow line. Then stay within the extended pit exit line (solid white) all the way until its completion at the 1st turn 100m marker. We will make sure you abide by this rule. It's to keep your acceleration zone away from those that may be coming in full speed into turn 1. Do this even if you're absolutely sure no one else is around on the straight.
Just stay to the right then after the pit line ends, and if the coast is clear, get on with the racing! You can almost feel that little pace car's happiness.
- 13,909
- Adelaide
- Neomone
Hehehe, no F1 style running wide then I take it?
I found it quite amusing in this year's race when the commentators made of point of explaining that the F1 stewards had specifically ruled that the cars were allowed to run wide out of Ascari. Why have the line if you're just going to run wide? Widen the track!
- 13,909
- Adelaide
- Neomone
Speaking of which, I was enjoying running around the old Monza in Shift 2 (PC) today. No chicanes, no Ascari complex, the whole course is the Lesmos+Parabolica+pure speed. Very fun. Not exactly the height of difficulty though, the modern course is a definite improvement from a driving perspective.
- 4,881
- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
HF_NOSS: Cutting the chicane at Monaco is ok, but not in that sence that the actual cutting is allowed in PURE, but because the cutting wont gain you any time.
As Wardez said, prior each race, there will be information posted regarding specific corners on certain tracks. 👍
As Wardez said, prior each race, there will be information posted regarding specific corners on certain tracks. 👍
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- GTP_Welsh-Bain
However, with the quality of drivers in this series and the different strengths of the cars here, we may find 1 room full of NSX's/Supras and 1 with GTR's/SC430's?
The Outlaw
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Well, I think that can very well happen regardless of what drivers (based on skill level) are placed in which room. I think that might be an entirely different issue that the stewards can address. IMO, people should be using the car they want to use throughout the season...not just picking the fastest car for each race.
Btw, thanks for clarifying the track boundaries, Wardez 👍
Btw, thanks for clarifying the track boundaries, Wardez 👍
- 951
- United Kingdom
- joshua1994
Completely out of the blue, but when will car choice be decided?
- 4,881
- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
Yep, I agree..
So let's do it like this then:
Split up the cars in 2 groups.
A: All GT-R's, DENSO and PETRONAS SC430, Z and CASTROL SUPRA
B: All NSX's, BANDAI and ENEOS SC430, YMS SUPRA
Top 7 from group A race together with top 7 from group B..
Sounds like a deal?
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- United States
- WrecklessAbandon
Whether it's a fast or slow track these aspects will come into play every race in the season.
We could either try Dennis method above, or just leave it go imo.
For example, NOSS already ran a faster lap in a GTR then I have in an NSX, so I'm far from being able to say that having the slowest car for a race leaves anyone "out".
I think it would make good qualifying pressure/practice for everyone to just have at it the way it'll be in the season, just my two cents.👍
- 7,284
- Inverness, Scotland
- GTP_PaulMac/paulmac2k9
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- Wardez
- Wardez
Damn it, corrections already:
Question mark shouldn't be there. And each time you miss the top three, you lose 20kg.
More than two of the same car on track at the same time is possible. So if we use the Yellowhat GT-R as the customer car then there will be two drivers fighting for the team championship and all the others will not.
Question mark shouldn't be there. And each time you miss the top three, you lose 20kg.
More than two of the same car on track at the same time is possible. So if we use the Yellowhat GT-R as the customer car then there will be two drivers fighting for the team championship and all the others will not.
- 10,456
- United States
- WrecklessAbandon
your not serious!
Scottish, CSL, Jackie's the flying scot!!
Hey, what can I say? I didn't pay attention to the small details, Irish/Scottish, it's all the same over here.
I do remember them saying "flying Scot" now that you mention it.
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- Montreal
- lapierre4
- 649
- Cedar Rapids, I
- DragonGT83
Thanks for the pm:tup:
If you will add me as a reserve driver, and I will stay in contact when or when I can't race a certain weekend. As if there was a spot open for D-2 I'll try and fill in and post a quali lap as well if thats ok.
Very well organized I must say, I really like it.
If you will add me as a reserve driver, and I will stay in contact when or when I can't race a certain weekend. As if there was a spot open for D-2 I'll try and fill in and post a quali lap as well if thats ok.
Very well organized I must say, I really like it.
- 7,284
- Inverness, Scotland
- GTP_PaulMac/paulmac2k9
yes 
we are very proud of sir jackie over here to call him irish is punishable by haggis 
we are very proud of sir jackie over here to call him irish is punishable by haggis 
