PURE | JGTS - Going on strong and adapting in the face of change!

[joetruckv8]

Super s1ck set-up I love it, count me in for this, it fits perfect with my schedule (I'm a clean racer here), please sign me up, or tell me who 2 ad? Thank you!

 

[Wardez]

Hm, this series is invitation only. I'll PM you with details on possibly getting one. Thanks for the kind words.

 

[Denilson]

CSLACR:

Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Bhp: 505
Weight: 1130 kg (Recommended Ballast Position: 5)
PP: 615 (With Full Aero)
PL: 94,6%
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

👍

Dr_Watson:
Yes, you're right about the toe.. Good spot. 👍
I'll fix it right away.

EDIT: No, you're not right about the toe. What I believe is the reason for mixing up the terms are that "toe in" = +toe, and "toe out" = -toe

 

[CSLACR]

CSLACR:

Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Bhp: 505
Weight: 1130 kg (Recommended Ballast Position: 5)
PP: 615 (With Full Aero)
PL: 94,6%
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

👍

Dr_Watson:
Yes, you're right about the toe.. Good spot. 👍
I'll fix it right away.

EDIT: No, you're not right about the toe. What I believe is the reason for mixing up the terms are that "toe in" = +toe, and "toe out" = -toe

It probably won't be 615pp if the person runs the recommended ballast.
All ballast reduces pp, but if you set the ballast towards the rear, you're given a slight pp penalty, if you put ballast on the front, a slight pp advantage. For whatever reason the pp system does not recognize a 50/50 weight distribution as "optimal".

I can't think of how it looks of the top of my head, but the game shows pictures showing which is - and which is +. Ask me any 2 times, you'll probably get both answers, toe bothers me. A nice tool for low speed cornering though.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Dr_Watson:
Yes, you're right about the toe.. Good spot. 👍
I'll fix it right away.

EDIT: No, you're not right about the toe. What I believe is the reason for mixing up the terms are that "toe in" = +toe, and "toe out" = -toe

I'll need to verify in game. I swear negative angle was "toe in".
My brain just might want it to be that way since linguistically it makes the most sense.

btw pretty picture

 

[Wardez]

A couple of teaser graphics

 

[GV27]

Thanks for the advices, everyone!! They're much appreciated! Hopefully I'll be able to get better... I'm not the kind of person to usually feel they're great at something, but I have the feeling there's still more speed in me than what I'm doing lately with these cars.

 

[Ansem29GTPlay]

Room 1: ​

PURE JGTS | Pre-Season Race | Monza | 175 km | Sunday, November 13th | Race Start: 18.00 PM (GMT)​

1. GTP_CSL - Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX
2. Dr_Watson (TnJF) - Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
3. chorda - ARTA NSX
4. TRP_NOSS - XANAVI GT-R
5. ErikAndre71 - Calsonic IMPUL GT-R
6. WiiFreak - TBD
7. OwensRacing - ARTA NSX
8. Paginas1 - YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
9. Litchi_GTPlay - Castrol Tom's Supra
10. BiffyClyro93 - Calsonic IMPUL GT-R
11. IMMORTALPILOT- YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
12. Minion07 - TBD
13. GTP_Aderrrm - TAKATA DOME NSX
14 TRP_REPLAY - CALSONIC GTR 08

Room 2:
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PURE JGTS | Pre-Season Race | Monza | 175 km | Sunday, November 13th | Race Start: 18.00 PM (GMT)​

1. paulmac2k9 - TBD
2. GV27- - TBD
3. GTP_timeattack - TAKATA DOME NSX
4. PureGT_Muzz - YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
5. GTP_Welsh-Bain - Yellowhat YMS Supra
6. Ansem29_GTPlay - TBD
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[Adam41]

Watched a bit of the replay. It seems TRP REPLAY (Motul) just got a good jump on Biffy (Calsonic), and didn't actually cross the line before he did:





I know that I put my foot down before Tjnf did and at roughly the same time TA did, because I knew that I wouldn't overtake either of them before the line. Tjnf was caught sleeping (he could have been closer to NOSS aswell) so it's expected that people will try and get a jump on you (I'm not saying Biffy was caught sleeping). But yeah, it was tight by REPLAY so I don't think anyone should risk it that much in a real race. Pag was also caught sleeping, along with GV and paul.

Remember, particularly REPLAY and NOSS, that the formation lap is 62 mph / 100 kmh and you shouldn't warm up your tyres. If and when we're at a track like Laguna and there's a short run to the line, the pole car should take the last corner slowly and once a few cars behind him have exited the corner, speed up quickly to 62 mph. Don't slowly increase to 62 because then it's even harder for people to judge when you're going to floor it. That's my take anyway.

 

[GV27]

I need to learn to do good rolling starts, hehe.

And on my never-ending quest for speed, I've realised the Supras have more weight on the front. If the NSX has more weight on the back and is harder for me to drive, perhaps the Supra would work well for my style. So I'm going to test that car and see if anything good happens! Wish me luck

 

[paulmac2k9]

well i flatened the throttle when everyone else did lol so i wasnt imo (lexus is just slow to pick up )

also whos hosting D2 hopefully Wardez signs up so he can host unless someone else is up to the job...

And TJnF im studying car mechancics in college atm and i know for a fact Toe out is - and Toe in is +.... Positive toe, or toe in, is the front of the wheel pointing in towards the centreline of the vehicle. Negative toe, or toe out, is the front of the wheel pointing away from the centreline of the vehicle. Toe can be measured in linear units, at the front of the tire, or as an angular deflection.

 

[lapierre4]

Room 1: ​

PURE JGTS | Pre-Season Race | Monza | 175 km | Sunday, November 13th | Race Start: 18.00 PM (GMT)​

1. GTP_CSL - Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX
2. Dr_Watson (TnJF) - Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
3. chorda - ARTA NSX
4. TRP_NOSS - XANAVI GT-R
5. ErikAndre71 - Calsonic IMPUL GT-R
6. WiiFreak - TBD
7. OwensRacing - ARTA NSX
8. Paginas1 - YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
9. Litchi_GTPlay - Castrol Tom's Supra
10. BiffyClyro93 - Calsonic IMPUL GT-R
11. IMMORTALPILOT- YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
12. Minion07 - TBD
13. GTP_Aderrrm - TAKATA DOME NSX
14 TRP_REPLAY - CALSONIC GTR 08

Room 2:
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PURE JGTS | Pre-Season Race | Monza | 175 km | Sunday, November 13th | Race Start: 18.00 PM (GMT)​

1. paulmac2k9 - TBD
2. GV27- - TBD
3. GTP_timeattack - TAKATA DOME NSX
4. PureGT_Muzz - YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
5. GTP_Welsh-Bain - Yellowhat YMS Supra
6. Ansem29_GTPlay - TBD
7. lapierre4 - Arta NSX
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[Wardez]

Room 1: ​

PURE JGTS | Pre-Season Race | Monza | 175 km | Sunday, November 13th | Race Start: 18.00 PM (GMT)​

1. GTP_CSL - Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX
2. Dr_Watson (TnJF) - Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
3. chorda - ARTA NSX
4. TRP_NOSS - XANAVI GT-R
5. ErikAndre71 - Calsonic IMPUL GT-R
6. WiiFreak - TBD
7. OwensRacing - ARTA NSX
8. Paginas1 - YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
9. Litchi_GTPlay - Castrol Tom's Supra
10. BiffyClyro93 - Calsonic IMPUL GT-R
11. IMMORTALPILOT- YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
12. Minion07 - TBD
13. GTP_Aderrrm - TAKATA DOME NSX
14 TRP_REPLAY - CALSONIC GTR 08

Room 2:
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PURE JGTS | Pre-Season Race | Monza | 175 km | Sunday, November 13th | Race Start: 18.00 PM (GMT)​

1. paulmac2k9 - TBD
2. GV27- - TBD
3. GTP_timeattack - TAKATA DOME NSX
4. PureGT_Muzz - YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
5. GTP_Welsh-Bain - Yellowhat YMS Supra
6. Ansem29_GTPlay - TBD
7. lapierre4 - Arta NSX
8. Wardez - Epson NSX
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[Denilson]

Watched a bit of the replay. It seems TRP REPLAY (Motul) just got a good jump on Biffy (Calsonic), and didn't actually cross the line before he did:





I know that I put my foot down before Tjnf did and at roughly the same time TA did, because I knew that I wouldn't overtake either of them before the line. Tjnf was caught sleeping (he could have been closer to NOSS aswell) so it's expected that people will try and get a jump on you (I'm not saying Biffy was caught sleeping). But yeah, it was tight by REPLAY so I don't think anyone should risk it that much in a real race. Pag was also caught sleeping, along with GV and paul.

Remember, particularly REPLAY and NOSS, that the formation lap is 62 mph / 100 kmh and you shouldn't warm up your tyres. If and when we're at a track like Laguna and there's a short run to the line, the pole car should take the last corner slowly and once a few cars behind him have exited the corner, speed up quickly to 62 mph. Don't slowly increase to 62 because then it's even harder for people to judge when you're going to floor it. That's my take anyway.

We will have a set of rules regarding the start.

1. Your front must not overlap the car in front/to the sides rear bumper.
2. You can not "floor it" before the car ahead of you do.
3. You can not pass the car ahead of you before the finishline.
4. The gap between the cars can be whatever. Meening, you can not floor it before the car ahead does no matter the distance to the cars ahead of him.

Basically, it's easy. Keep your front bumper behind the rear bumper of the car ahead of you, and do not floor it before he does.

Tip: I always keep 100% of the car ahead of me within my field of vision. In that case, I'm sure my bumper does not overlap his rear bumper, and I can clearly see when he goes. 👍

The biggest reason we do not want to put the pressure of beeing forced to stay close to the car in front, and to have a rule that say that you can not floor it before the driver ahead of you does is to spread out the field a bit.
It helps to avoid the infamous T1 pile ups/crashes.
It provides us with a smooth and evenly spread out field. 👍

 

[NEPALII]

Room 1: ​

PURE JGTS | Pre-Season Race | Monza | 175 km | Sunday, November 13th | Race Start: 18.00 PM (GMT)​

1. GTP_CSL - Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX
2. Dr_Watson (TnJF) - Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
3. chorda - ARTA NSX
4. TRP_NOSS - XANAVI GT-R
5. ErikAndre71 - Calsonic IMPUL GT-R
6. WiiFreak - TBD
7. OwensRacing - ARTA NSX
8. Paginas1 - YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
9. Litchi_GTPlay - Castrol Tom's Supra
10. BiffyClyro93 - Calsonic IMPUL GT-R
11. IMMORTALPILOT- YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
12. Minion07 - TBD
13. GTP_Aderrrm - TAKATA DOME NSX
14 TRP_REPLAY - CALSONIC GTR 08

Room 2:
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PURE JGTS | Pre-Season Race | Monza | 175 km | Sunday, November 13th | Race Start: 18.00 PM (GMT)​

1. paulmac2k9 - TBD
2. GV27- - TBD
3. GTP_timeattack - TAKATA DOME NSX
4. PureGT_Muzz - YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
5. GTP_Welsh-Bain - Yellowhat YMS Supra
6. Ansem29_GTPlay - TBD
7. lapierre4 - Arta NSX
8. Wardez - Epson NSX
9. NEPALII - TBD
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[Denilson]

Final Car Specs​

Car Specifications​

When racing in an OFFICIAL PURE JGTS room, your car is supposed to be tuned to the following specs. Note that the PP is when aero is maxed out. You're allowed to tweak your aero settings, but you can not tune up your engine to make up for the PP lost thru reducing aero.


Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R, Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R, Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R, Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
Bhp: 518
Weight: 1130 kg (Recommended Ballast Position: 0)
PP: 607 (With Full Aero)
PL: 100%
Allowed mods: Ridgity Improvement

Nissan STEALTH GT500 GT-R
Bhp: 502
Weight: 1130 kg
PP: 607 (With Full Aero)
PL: 87,8%
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

Honda ARTA NSX, Honda RAYBRIG NSX, Honda TAKATA DOME NSX
Bhp: RAYBRIG: 515 | TAKATA DOME/ARTA: 511
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: RAYBRIG: 606 | TAKATA DOME/ARTA: 606 (With Full Aero)
PL: RAYBRIG: 96,6% | TAKATA DOME/ARTA: 94,2%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement

Honda EPSON NSX
Bhp: 530
Weight: 1150 (Recommended Ballast Position: -50)
PP: 606 (With Full Aero)
PL: 99,5%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement

Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX
Bhp: 516
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 606 (With Full Aero)
PL: 95,4%
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

Lexus DENSO DUNLOP SARD SC430, Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Bhp: 513
Weight: 1130 kg (Recommended Ballast Position: 0)
PP: 609 (With Full Aero)
PL: 95,2%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement

Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430
Bhp: 528
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 612 (With Full Aero)
PL: 99,1%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement

Lexus ENEOS SC430
Bhp: 534
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 610 (With Full Aero)
PL: 99,1%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement

Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Bhp: 505
Weight: 1130 kg (Recommended Ballast Position: 5)
PP: 615 (With Full Aero)
PL: 94,6%
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

Toyota YELLOWHAT SUPRA
Bhp: 519
Weight: 1090 kg (Recommended Ballast Position: 50)
PP: 604 (With Full Aero)
PL: 97,2%
Allowed Mods: Engine Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement

Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA
Bhp: 515
Weight: 1150 kg
PP: 611 (Max Allowed DF: 40/65)
PL: 99,7%
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement


EXCLUDED: Nissan WOODONE ADVAN GT-R



May you speak now, or forever hold your peace!

 

[Wardez]

Aye 👍

 

[GV27]

I quite liked the YellowHat YMS Supra! I still had to be careful with its' back, but I was able to do a decent time at Monza. In fact I'm also going to get a Castrol Supra ready, just in case. Those may be the best cars for me... We'll see.

I'm happy that we already have the final specs. Kudos for everyone involved in testing and getting the cars up to par. 👍

 

[Dr_Watson]

Room1 is looking like the GTR show.
3 Calsonics, 2 Yellowhats, and a Xanavi
Hopefully minion and wii are interested in an sc430 or a yellowhat supra.

And TJnF im studying car mechancics in college atm and i know for a fact Toe out is - and Toe in is +.... Positive toe, or toe in, is the front of the wheel pointing in towards the centreline of the vehicle. Negative toe, or toe out, is the front of the wheel pointing away from the centreline of the vehicle. Toe can be measured in linear units, at the front of the tire, or as an angular deflection.

I've been digging around and it seems that the case is that whenever toe is measured on a chassis rack you get + angle for toe-in and - angle for toe out. So where is it measured that gives seemingly backward +/-?
It's so counter intuitive when > negative camber tips the wheels toward the center-line of the car... but > negative toe tips the wheels away from the center-line.
Also kinda bizarre that every race-car comes default with +.20 rear toe.
Then there's the question of does GT also have bump-steer?

Chassis dynamics is so confusing sometimes. Especially in more complicated sims where you've also got to mess with caster.

I quite liked the YellowHat YMS Supra! I still had to be careful with its' back, but I was able to do a decent time at Monza. In fact I'm also going to get a Castrol Supra ready, just in case. Those may be the best cars for me... We'll see.

I'm happy that we already have the final specs. Kudos for everyone involved in testing and getting the cars up to par. 👍

The default tune is pretty sluggish, but the Castrol Supra is bonkers easy to drive with the 'recommended' tune tweaked to the track. Big bonus though is it's the easiest I've seen on tire wear. Was pretty easy to knock out 20 laps on a set @ laguna seca (I think that's what my long stint was).

 

[WiiFreak]

Room1 is looking like the GTR show.
3 Calsonics, 2 Yellowhats, and a Xanavi
Hopefully minion and wii are interested in an sc430 or a yellowhat supra.

I'm planning on running the yellowhat supra or one of the SC430's. I need to break them in first, but after that I'll take them out for some laps around Monza and I'll choose one of them for this Sunday's race 👍

 

[HF_NOS]

I will race with the yellowhat supra in room 1. indeed too many gtr' s.

 

[CSLACR]

You dudes must not forget that this is a game after all. So exiting corners in a controlled slide can be more effective and won't harm the tires. Therefore throtle control is not the only thing you should worry about, you have to work that steering wheel too(or pad).

This is what I've recently figured out and trying to learn, very tricky stuff.
And Jackie Stewart, (Irish accent) "don't touch the throttle until ya know ya never have ta take it off".
I am James May.

Room1 is looking like the GTR show.
3 Calsonics, 2 Yellowhats, and a Xanavi.
Hopefully minion and wii are interested in an sc430 or a yellowhat supra.

Weird, given this is the opposite of a GTR/SC430 track.

I've been digging around and it seems that the case is that whenever toe is measured on a chassis rack you get + angle for toe-in and - angle for toe out. So where is it measured that gives seemingly backward +/-?
It's so counter intuitive when > negative camber tips the wheels toward the center-line of the car... but > negative toe tips the wheels away from the center-line.
Also kinda bizarre that every race-car comes default with +.20 rear toe.
Then there's the question of does GT also have bump-steer?

I don't know which is which since I'm not looking at the game, but in the game, + rear toe makes the car more stable. That's (I assume) why cars come with it default.

-Dennis-
Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX
Bhp: - 516
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 606 (With Full Aero)
PL: - 95.4%
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

 

[bluesix]

The final verdict on the spec sheet looks pretty awesome for me Dennis 👍

 

[CodeRedR51]

Going to have to miss this weekend's practice race, going to the NASCAR race at PIR on Sunday. I should be 100% good to go for the season though. 👍

 

[Adam41]

We will have a set of rules regarding the start.

1. Your front must not overlap the car in front/to the sides rear bumper.
2. You can not "floor it" before the car ahead of you do.
3. You can not pass the car ahead of you before the finishline.
4. The gap between the cars can be whatever. Meening, you can not floor it before the car ahead does no matter the distance to the cars ahead of him.

Say I qualified in 3th and the 2nd place car left an 4 car length gap to 1st place. Seems a bit unfair that my gap to 1st place is now 5 car lengths, when it should be only 1 or there abouts. That could potentially screw up your chances of winning, especially if the 2nd place car left such a big gap and then reacted slow to the 1st place car accelerating. The 1st place car could easily break the slipstream.

 

[Joshua1994]

Gonna be missing this weeks pre-season too. Second on what RT said on the 100% good to go for the season though!

 

[Imari]

Chassis dynamics is so confusing sometimes. Especially in more complicated sims where you've also got to mess with caster.

Yep. I found it got a lot easier after spending some time playing games with actual telemetry like iRacing or Shift 2. You can see immediately the effect your adjustments are having, instead of trying to feel your way through it. After a while of playing with telemetry it then becomes more intuitive what adjustments you need to make in GT5.

 

[GV27]

Hell it's difficult to be fast!! The Castrol Supra's rather easier to drive, but quite slower than the YellowHat Supra at Monza, so I'm undecided on what will be my "#1 choice", although the two Supras will be #1 and #2 out of my three choices, when the time comes.

I've got a lot of learning to do. Hopefully by round 10 I will have figured out these beasts.

 

[HF_NOS]

On Monza there is a big difference between calsonic and yellowhat supra.

replay with calsonic clean lap 1:44:8
me with supra clean lap 1:44:2

I get 44s easily but the gtr need to push hard to get in the 44.

I hope its just monza.

 

[Wardez]

Yeah that sounds right about the GT-R at Monza Noss. Here's our best times from WSGTC season 2:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...1xODZrdktrX2pYYkxITkZaSzZEcUE&hl=en_US#gid=37

Tony did a 1:44.1xx in practice in the Motul GT-R though.

The Supras and NSXs should have an edge.

But that sounds weird abotu the Castrol's time versus the Yellow.