PURE | JGTS - Going on strong and adapting in the face of change!
- Thread starter Denilson
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- GTP_PaulMac/paulmac2k9
wasnt that the point Noss everyone was to get their number 1 or number 2 car so everyone would be happy with their car choices..... for instance in my case i know no matter what car i have ill never be running at the front but atleast i got my number 1 so will be happy all season no matter where i am 👍
Also dont forget how much work has gone into getting these cars to near as possible to equality and to get everyone a car they all would be happy with and from me its a big 👍 to Denilson, Wardez, CSL and Tnjf and whoever else helped with the making of this series
Also dont forget how much work has gone into getting these cars to near as possible to equality and to get everyone a car they all would be happy with and from me its a big 👍 to Denilson, Wardez, CSL and Tnjf and whoever else helped with the making of this series
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- WilliamsJIM_Adam
How disrespectful. Leave your negativity out of the thread or keep it to PM. The cars are very well balanced. A full season of races will show any (small) imbalances in the cars. The main problem is tyre wear, but again...
Btw, hi Imari.
👍"reverse the grid order, not the result". Does this mean the starting grid order for heat 1 is reversed, and not the results from heat 1? If so, sounds a bit unfair to me and makes qualifying less significant.
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- WrecklessAbandon
I have to agree somewhat.
On the first week, everyone will undoubtedly be qualifying as best they can. However in later weeks, it might be smarter to qualify slow and start last for the long race, knowing you have 175km to gain ground, which would in turn leave you the pole for the shorter second race.
On the flip side, if it's reverse finishing order, the only way to get pole is throw a longer race with more points down the toilet.
It's a problem interlinked with the guaranteed spots in the divisional system. I lke the divisional system, as a single bad qualifier or race doesn't get you thrown into a lower division automatically, so my thought would be to sway the reverse starting order to reverse finishing order.
I'm off to go buy and drive me a Denso.
How disrespectful. Leave your negativity out of the thread or keep it to PM. The cars are very well balanced. A full season of races will show any (small) imbalances in the cars. The main problem is tyre wear, but again...
Btw, hi Imari.
"reverse the grid order, not the result". Does this mean the starting grid order for heat 1 is reversed, and not the results from heat 1? If so, sounds a bit unfair to me and makes qualifying less significant.
How is it disrespectful? Im not calling anyone names or anything like that. Just stating my opinion, that's all. I know it stinks, but oh well... Im not even going to bother saying anything else. Better keep it shut
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- GTP_PaulMac/paulmac2k9
i agree with CSL and Aderrrm it should be race result reversed but then there is the problem of DCs, what do we do with them if they dc the long race and are back for the sprint...
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- WilliamsJIM_Adam
How is it disrespectful? Im not calling anyone names or anything like that. Just stating my opinion, that's all. I know it stinks, but oh well... Im not even going to bother saying anything else. Better keep it shut
You moan about the cars being imbalanced after saying nothing through 3 weeks of testing, after a load of people have worked very hard to get them close in terms of pace, after bringing it once up already, and you still can't see what's wrong with your comments? Yeah it stinks.
Can't you see that if you balance all the teams out perfectly, then people will be unhappy with the cars they end up with? Shall we do that and put you in a Supra? The teams are balanced now to some degree, whilst taking into account people's car choices. It will never be perfect, so you don't have to moan about it. Same goes to NOSS.
- 7,711
- Indiana-USA
- OwensRacing
paulmac2k9
DC's lose lots of points. So in Capp Cup we let them start up front. Reverse grid does this for you anyway.
Now a rage quit. That will show their exit "signature". A DC doesn't. So I think. That info isn't solid. Please check it.
How we check is have someone enter a room and power down Ps3 or yank internetz. If indeed what I said us the case we will know who did what.
Also. I am very ok with the grid being based on qualifying on both races. Seems fair and coming from someone that would benefit from reverse grid.
I had stated last week my opinion on the cars. I'll restate it. All cars need to drop the ballast. You are decreasing top speed slightly and making handling worse to the car. Funny is that this was done to of the cars that relies mostly on its handling: the Lexus. Dont we already have ballast added depending on race results? Why add more? The NSX is too loose(decreasing its power will help its bad handling at slow tracks like Laguna while still keeping it faster on straights but not by much), and the Lexus is too heavy(has no speed and its handling isnt any better with the added ballast). It cant be my driving, as I won Laguna with the Lexus and did a 44.6 with the NSX at Monza. Its just the cars drive like crap at these specs, in my opinion. NO disrespect intended. How many times have I said this already? 3, 4? The car I was satisfied with was the GTR, it felt balanced. Not too fast on straights and good handling through the corners.
Again, NO disrespect intended. I may not be very skilled like many of you here, but I know a thing or 2 about cars. Next thing, these GT cars wont feel like GT cars anymore.
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- PURE_DrWatson
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- Neomone
With regards to the teams thing, the teams were never going to be perfectly balanced. What they do is promote a little camaraderie between people driving the same car. And I'm sure rivalries between similarly skilled teams will develop over the season. I think they're a nice addition to the series. It seems to me that Denilson and Wardez have done a decent job of trying to make sure that the teams aren't too stacked where possible.
P.S. Hi Aderrrm! Go Team ARTA!
P.S. Hi Aderrrm! Go Team ARTA!
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- OwensRacing
Dr_Watsonthen people with just rage by hitting power on the ps3
So very true.
I suppose the DC shouldn't be after wrecks or offs. These types of things prior to said "DC's" would be rather obvious. So it seems.
Good point though.
The Outlaw
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Since the NSX is already at the lowest minimum weight possible, if you do this (drop ballast on the rest of the cars), some of the cars like the Lexus and GT-R's will have massive (it's already bad enough) handling/lap time advantages (and considerably better tire wear) over the NSX, particularly on slower speed tracks. Also, being that the Lexus and GT-R already have sizeable advantages on slow speed tracks where draft is of little benefit to the NSX, you must not forget that on high speed tracks (like Monza & La Sarthe) it is quite possible for a top level driver in a GT-R or Lexus to keep pace with a top level driver in a NSX using the slipstream. As the long straights can allow the slower car to keep in touch, particularly deeper into the stints when the NSX's tires tend to fall off sooner. On the other hand, this is COMPLETELY impossible for the NSX driver to achieve on a track like Suzuka, Nurb F, etc. So I think you need to step back and have a better perspective on this 💡
Decreasing the power will do NOTHING to improve the NSX's lap times on slower tracks, particularly in the hands of a skilled driver. If anything, it will just slow it down further. And lets not forget that the Lexus already had a ~ 1 second advantage over the NSX at Laguna (which is relatively short lap @ ~ 1:20). Had you been in the NSX, you would have complained even more than you are now
I haven't driven the Lexus first hand (from what I've heard it's on rails and has great tire wear), but it will likely have a moderate advantage or be on par with ANY of the other cars on just about all but the fastet tracks (Monza and La Sarthe).
I do agree that we don't want to slow the cars down too much or make them all feel lame and handicapped, but the truth is...that's really the only option there is to level the playing field, because if we run the cars at similar weight/hp/aero values there will be HUGE disparities in the performance of the cars...much bigger than what we already have.
The only possible way that I can think of to get the NSX to have similar characterstics as the other other FR cars would be allowing it to run R2's (something that isn't easily policed), while reducing it's hp and taking the ballast off the other cars. Otherwise it's not going to happen, as the NSX is already at it's lowest weight possible
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- 1,121
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- GV27-
Changing the subject a bit (or perhaps not so much?), I was wondering if any of the pros here have some piece of advice for me? I'm driving the Castrol Supra, and while it feels much better for my driving style, I've realised I just seem to be slow with the car. I simply don't know how to attack harder with it. It may be related to the tune (I'm using the "Recommended Tune" from the first page in this thread) and it feels quite comfortable to drive, but also rather slow.
Any tips on tunning or driving as to how to work around this? Much appreciated!
Any tips on tunning or driving as to how to work around this? Much appreciated!
- 4,881
- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
Changing the subject a bit (or perhaps not so much?), I was wondering if any of the pros here have some piece of advice for me? I'm driving the Castrol Supra, and while it feels much better for my driving style, I've realised I just seem to be slow with the car. I simply don't know how to attack harder with it. It may be related to the tune (I'm using the "Recommended Tune" from the first page in this thread) and it feels quite comfortable to drive, but also rather slow.
Any tips on tunning or driving as to how to work around this? Much appreciated!
Try to set the rear toe for more rotation. While you and me was in the lobby earlier today, I set the rear toe to -0,20 on the CASTROL.. It helps your car to rotate, and you can hit the throttle earlier. 👍
You don't need to be afraid to turn up the LSD acc either.. But start with the rear toe and see if you get some pace up.
And about the grid order for the dual races.
We need to keep things as easy as possible to mange for the hosts/admins..
How are we going to keep track of who DC'd when etc when no one can view the replay for a starters. And add to that the poor communication possibilities we have while in the lobby.
To have everything set before race 1 is key.
And there's no way to exploit the system imo.
If you want to put yourself in the back on purpose.. Be my guest.. I know that I'll defenetly try and profit from it.. 3 fastest times will recieve PP bonus points..
I'm not saying that we defenelty won't change this.. But think it thru one more time. I can see a hosts nightmare comming....
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If we pace second race it will be easy to shuffle the DC'd racer to the back.
In Capp Cup its grid start. As well not a real problem with DC's and coming back to the race. I had to quit race one for I made a goofy change to the car that left me in the way doing loops. Anyway. I started pole but dropped back to last before lap one was over just gradually did so.
In Capp Cup its grid start. As well not a real problem with DC's and coming back to the race. I had to quit race one for I made a goofy change to the car that left me in the way doing loops. Anyway. I started pole but dropped back to last before lap one was over just gradually did so.
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- France
Changing the subject a bit (or perhaps not so much?), I was wondering if any of the pros here have some piece of advice for me? I'm driving the Castrol Supra, and while it feels much better for my driving style, I've realised I just seem to be slow with the car. I simply don't know how to attack harder with it. It may be related to the tune (I'm using the "Recommended Tune" from the first page in this thread) and it feels quite comfortable to drive, but also rather slow.
Any tips on tunning or driving as to how to work around this? Much appreciated!
Wait a bit for the Ansem's setup, i think it will helps you a lot
- 4,881
- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
Ok.. But I still can't see what's so much better when putting the 2 differnt scenarios against eachother.. All I can see is that it will require more effort from the host with a limited possibility to communicate.
We'll do a pacelap for the 2nd race as well, yes. 👍
The guys who DC'd will just be able to reconnect and place themselves at a predetermined grid order. It's simple..
And in all honesty.. I can't see any reason why someone should quali slow.. In my book, ther's nothing to gain by doing so.
Btw: Am I the only one who did quali today?
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Yes, it felt good.. And the fact that it was my PB does'nt make it worse.. But I feel lucky I did that lap.. cause my 2nd lap was horrible (2:04).. But that's what you get when driving the NSX.. heaven or hell..
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Whatever NOSS.. Flying below radar are we??
I'm no where near as fast as you.. And I did a 57,3 in the MOTUL GT-R with the exact same specs as in PURE.. I'm pretty sure that was a really good time, but you aliens def reach in to the 56's, no doubt.
I know that Aderrrm reached well down in the 56's with the GT-R at stock weight.. Those extra 30 kg might slow him down ,5.. So a high 56 is def possible (For an alien) in my book.
But you have to do it on those 2 laps.. that's the tricky bit..
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- WrecklessAbandon
The only real way to "check" for rage quits are those that do it obviously, DC'ing every time you crash makes it obvious.then people with just rage by hitting power on the ps3
The reality is rage quits will happen, detected or not, I think we all know that. It's up to each of us to stick it out when misfortune strikes.
Good points.
Here's the link to this weeks quali page, btw.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...GJjVnc0Vjh1WHlkRDZzYUhQNWZZbWc&hl=en_US#gid=0
Different final number.
NOSS ran 56.8xx IIRC earlier.
- 7,284
- Inverness, Scotland
- GTP_PaulMac/paulmac2k9
ive only done a 59.2 so far 
, Csl any help would be nice
, Csl any help would be nice 
