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CSLACR · Nov 13, 2011

NEPALII
But why bring a disability to every car? You know its impossible to bring the cars very close to each other, so why not make them at least good to handle? Give an advantage to every car. The Lexus will always be the slowest on straights but its handling makes up for the loss on straights, but at these specs not even the handling saves it. Feels too heavy. NSX too light.You can tell by the car lineup at the last races. How many Lexus were on today? 2? How many NSX at Laguna? Probably none. IMO, it cant be like that. There will always be differences but we cant sacrifice cars to bring them closer. I personally, dont like that.

Edit: Look at real life specs and make these cars close to the real life specs. Due to GT5's engine break in, HP HAS to be tweaked but weight shouldn't be tweaked at all.

Let me ask you this, if we drop the weight on the GTR's, SC430's, and Z, and drop some power off the NSX, will you take an NSX for the season?

Aderrrm, and TheOutlaw both used NSX's at Laguna, among others.

TRF_NOSS used a GTR today and was leading the race, against Aderrrm in an NSX, before pit glitch. I don't know how it would have played out in the end, but they were competitively racing.

Dr_Watson · Nov 13, 2011

You know every time you win a race you're going to collect more weight?
Ballast is an important part of super GT.

NEPALII · Nov 13, 2011

If you drop the weight to its stock on the GTR's, the Lexus and Z's, I'll go with the GTR or Lexus(they were my 1-2 choices). NSX was my 3rd choice. You may not need to drop power on the NSX, if the weight is reduced on the GTRs, Lexus and Zs as they will be quicker. However, you could try to make the NSX a little less loose so it can be better handling at slow tracks like Laguna. See what Im trying to do? Increase handling, not power.

NEPALII · Nov 13, 2011

Dr_Watson
You know every time you win a race you're going to collect more weight?
Ballast is an important part of super GT.

Ballast is added to the stock weight, not ballast on top of more ballast. Srry for double post.

IMMORTALPILOT · Nov 13, 2011

i mast say its not good to drive the gtr here.
i have see my topspeed the nsx drive 8 kmh more on the straight then me.
And the yellow supra also.

CSLACR · Nov 13, 2011

NEPALII
If you drop the weight to its stock on the GTR's, the Lexus and Z's, I'll go with the GTR or Lexus(they were my 1-2 choices). NSX was my 3rd choice. You may not need to drop power on the NSX, if the weight is reduced on the GTRs, Lexus and Zs as they will be quicker. However, you could try to make the NSX a little less loose so it can be better handling at slow tracks like Laguna. See what Im trying to do? Increase handling, not power.

That's the underlying point for me. If the demand is for car "x" then car "x" is to good. That's what I thought when I first brought car specs up about 3 weeks ago.
Currently, no car really seems to hold popular vote, which tells me the cars are set accordingly. This is the true decision each driver must make. "For 10 races, along the track list, which of these cars can I drive the fastest?"
The answer used to be dominantly "GTR", now no car seems to have the edge in popularity. That's how I determine if the cars are fair. Not just lap times, or ease of use, or tire wear, the whole season of which they'll be driven, all things combined.

Also through no amount of tuning or practice, is anyone currently able to make the NSX corner at the same speeds as those other cars. You can make it more stable, and easier to drive, but it can't go around turns as quickly, and the difference is significant, even with the weight on the quick ones.

NEPALII · Nov 13, 2011

CSLACR
That's the underlying point for me. If the demand is for car "x" then car "x" is to good. That's what I thought when I first brought car specs up about 3 weeks ago.
Currently, no car really seems to hold popular vote, which tells me the cars are set accordingly. This is the true decision each driver must make. "For 10 races, along the track list, which of these cars can I drive the fastest?"
The answer used to be dominantly "GTR", now no car seems to have the edge in popularity. That's how I determine if the cars are fair. Not just lap times, or ease of use, or tire wear, the whole season of which they'll be driven, all things combined.

Also through no amount of tuning or practice, is anyone currently able to make the NSX corner at the same speeds as those other cars. You can make it more stable, and easier to drive, but it can't go around turns as quickly, and the difference is significant, even with the weight on the quick ones.

Just because the NSX cant go around the turns as well as the others, doesnt mean the other have to get their handling performance decreased. Dont forget the NSX has the speed that others dont. Work from here, increase NSX's handling by decreasing its speed as it will be easier to tame. It will still be faster at tracks like Monza by a smaller margin and be also quicker at tracks like Laguna. I did a 44.6 with the NSX at Monza, the Lexus only a 45.7. Then if we go to Laguna, we see these BIG differences the other way around. Understand what Im trying to get at? The Lexus is being affected on its handling with the added weight, when it doesnt have speed. I just dont agree with that.

paulmac2k9 · Nov 13, 2011

i weirdly even on current specs prefer the Lexus to everything else you might be saying its heavyness or whatever is upseting you but i actualy like the sorta heavy feel and am able to work with it and drive it the best i can, i think it suits my driving style, unlike with the others where i feel i cant push them enough (GTRs, NSXs) the Yms and Z arent too bad and the same goes for the heavest car the Toms Supra i get on well with it also. So ive made the Lexuses and Toms Supra my 1-2-3 (hoping i get one of them as i really enjoy driving all 3

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SuperSic · Nov 13, 2011

Had to quit as i was the victim of a surprise birthday party in myown house..

I was using the pad Eddie.

Denilson · Nov 13, 2011

NEPALII
But why bring a disability to every car? You know its impossible to bring the cars very close to each other, so why not make them at least good to handle? Give an advantage to every car. The Lexus will always be the slowest on straights but its handling makes up for the loss on straights, but at these specs not even the handling saves it. Feels too heavy. NSX too light.You can tell by the car lineup at the last races. How many Lexus were on today? 2? How many NSX at Laguna? Probably none. IMO, it cant be like that. There will always be differences but we cant sacrifice cars to bring them closer. I personally, dont like that.

Edit: Look at real life specs and make these cars close to the real life specs. Due to GT5's engine break in, HP HAS to be tweaked but weight shouldn't be tweaked at all.

Correct me if I'm wrong.. But did I not ask for lap times and input/feedback during the testing?
Did I not post the current specs for all to see and have a say about?

I did not get any lap times posted by you when we (mainly me and CSL) asked for it, and that's fine.. But don't start this discussion now when we are3 hours from deadline.

Current Specs Stay. PERIOD

NOTE: When looking at all submitted car choices, the diverity is awesome, and a sign if any that the cars are equaly desireable..

paulmac2k9 · Nov 13, 2011

👍 your completely right denilson for me its all about which suits me best not the one that can be the best car in other peoples hands for eg here at monza maybe NSXes and Yms supra were best but i went faster in the lexus personaly

Denilson · Nov 13, 2011

2 hours to deadline.

We've not yet recieved the car choices from MaccGyver and RedReevos.
If anyone run in to RedReevos or MaccGyver, tell them that time is running out.

CSLACR · Nov 14, 2011

Denilson
2 hours to deadline.

We've not yet recieved the car choices from MaccGyver and RedReevos.
If anyone run in to RedReevos or MaccGyver, tell them that time is running out.

Redreevos has been alerted.

REPLAY 07 · Nov 14, 2011

CSLACR
TRP_NOSS used a GTR today and was leading the race, against Aderrrm in an NSX, before pit glitch. I don't know how it would have played out in the end, but they were competitively racing.

To be fair NOSS allrdy was racing in the Yellow hat Supra so the GTR's were behind but still i find its still close because in the race is something different more important u know

and u just need get used to it.. if u got it u dont will have any much problems so its up to u m8

. i only dont like that the GT-R dont have any turbo2 or engine3 on it like the NSX and the Supra have hmm i mean all cars have something on.. just not the GT-R.. that will give u a good power at acceleration because of the high torgue but whatever.. so far i find the rest is pretty okay. just all cars have a positiv and a negativ thing

REPLAY 07 · Nov 14, 2011

I find Denilson and all who worked 4 those specs done well and tried to keep it fair i just can agree with Danilson we guys had enough time to tell him our times with the different cars so my respect 4 take ur time to find close specs just lets looking forward

Dr_Watson · Nov 14, 2011

I think the cars are as even as they can be. Everyone that helped out did a great job. 👍
Each car has a different personality but they turn in similar lap times. What more can you really say?

paulmac2k9 · Nov 14, 2011

nice to see your enjoying it here Replay 👍 (you wouldnt have such fun like this in RLR with the likes of mr know it all himself PRO_HERO

and overall dirty drivers imo hence why we all left :lol:

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redreevos · Nov 14, 2011

Denilson
2 hours to deadline.

We've not yet recieved the car choices from MaccGyver and RedReevos.
If anyone run in to RedReevos or MaccGyver, tell them that time is running out.

CSLACR
Redreevos has been alerted.

Sorry for the holdup guys. My car list was submitted as of about 20-30min ago.

As for the conversation about how the cars are setup. I think Dom and Dennis did a Herculean effort. I honestly had a really tough time picking my cars. Some are a little faster, some are more enjoyable to drive, and some are better on tires.

If Laguna is dropped for Monza, that will be a plus for the NSX's and the YMS Supra. But, from personal experience, Nurb GP/F and Monaco will suck for the NSX drivers. I think there are a few cars that may give the fastest a better shot at the championship. But all cars can be driven fast and competitively.

I am looking forward to a great season.

:cheers:

TheMinion · Nov 14, 2011

I like the cars specs too.

I couldn't drive anything else besides the lexus before PURE. But after some testing with GT-R, NSX and Lexus, with the specs and tunes posted here, i can drive 3 diferent cars now in the same level.

Wardez · Nov 14, 2011

Yeah the NSX's are a lot better at these specs over short tracks even though they've lost a bit of speed on the fast tracks. I was able to hit a 1:32 flat at Monaco in the pson from when before while testing a WSGTC NSX during the season 2 and could barely manage a 1:33.and the faster drivers will be able to cut at least half a second from that so I'm loving that.*

Also, for Nepalii. Care to notice that CSL broke both our records at Laguna Seca?*
He did like a mid 1:20 so the Lexus is definitely better somehow. The weight's just perfect imo and I really believe the cars should weigh that by default even though PD tried sticking to real life specs we all know GT isn't the most realistic. I always felt the cars at stock weight felt a bit off and now I know why.

I'll do some long track testing with the SC to see what's up for myself, even though the specs are final.

Denilson · Nov 14, 2011

Cars and teams will be announced soon. 👍

Litchi · Nov 14, 2011

Denilson
Cars and teams will be announced soon. 👍

Wardez · Nov 14, 2011

Denilson · Nov 14, 2011

Information:

The STEALTH cars will be a customer car, along with the WOODONE, ENEOS and EPSON.

But we still got 2 STEALTH teams.

GT-R STEALTH team use number 1 and number 2 on the numberplate.
NSX STEALTH team use number 3 and number 4 on the numberplate.
A customer driver need to use 99 on the numberplate no matter which one the customer driver wants. 👍

Denilson · Nov 14, 2011

Teams will be revieled 1 by 1.. First team will be official at 12 GMT. That's in 6 minutes.. Stay tuned...

Denilson · Nov 14, 2011