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Driver: TnJF
Lap 1: 1:53.727
Lap 2: 1:53.828
Lap 3: 1:53.888
Lap 1: 1:53.727
Lap 2: 1:53.828
Lap 3: 1:53.888
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typo.
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I think 53.2 is all I've got in it. 1:02.7xx is the best I've seen at the end of s2. Think 52's are alien or "magic lap" territory.
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Got bored bouncing off of the walls
Got bored bouncing off of the walls
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Im starting a gang called of the wall gang lol
PhaedrusSocrate
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So, what manner of wall banging would be considered "illigal" during qualy?
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I'm thinking if the wall catches you from what would normally be an off. That is illegal. If you exit a corner and lightly scuff a wall. It maybe legal.
We need a definitive explanation from those in charge though.
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PhaedrusSocrate
In the past, we've allowed for one tap. From my experience, most people lose concentration and their lap time suffers. If there's any doubt if the tap proved advantageous, we can always have the lap reviewed.
Again, for those that didn't catch it earlier, I'm having LASIK performed on Thursday, so I won't be able to steward after then.
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yep... if you look at my lap times above the 2nd two laps should have been 2-3 tenths faster but they have wall scuffs in them. (lap 2 in s3, lap 3 s2)
PhaedrusSocrate
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So, if I scuff some walls I shouldn't let it bother me in manner that i lose concentration (from pressure not to be declared illegal) but simply PUSH ON...?
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You do have three fliers here, and the tires are good enough that even the first one can be fast with sufficient warmup. I'd recommend setting a "safe" time in, and then push it. Since this is Toyko, it's more about making the cutline than anything else.
Then again, based on what happened with my mock runs and Tim, once you tap the wall once, you'll more likely to get sloppy and overdrive the car back into the barriers.
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How the hell you guys are running 53s I don't know. Managed a 54.2 after about a million crashes. Give up on this track already
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I'm uploading a 53.250 lap, partly to help others, and so I don't forget how to run that fast, in case I can race on Saturday.
T1: Tricky since I haven't found a reliable object on track to define my braking point. The key is to brake straight and hard, so the car stops ASAP. If you're not comfortable with that, as always, use 75-90% braking.
T2: Abuse that inside curbing. It won't upset the car at all, but the outside ones will. Too unreliable. Holding 3rd longer than usual does help.
T4 (Long hairpin): Try using the line on the video. You turn in, and then coast the car through while letting it drift outside. I like using the spot right by the first Magneti Marelli (the blue signs) as the apex. If you can approach that area, you can go full-throttle the rest of the way with minimal steering. If you're too far inside, that means more wheel, more speed scrubbed off, and greater chance of understeer on exit.
T5: The corner seems long and rounded, but treat it as short and tight. In other words, turn in late and hard. Don't worry about the curbs. The car will, at most, clip then near the exit and it does nothing to your line.
T6-7 (The S): What a troubling corner. It's best to let the video show you what I do. Essentially, turn in early and smooth, tap the brake, and then jab the Silvia toward the apex. You don't need to turn in as hard as I did, if you go a little slower (115 mph should be ideal for a smoother approach).
T8-9: It's tempting to brake before the crest, and start cornering early. Don't. Brake right around that 100 meter marker, and keep the car relatively straight when you do so. There's more grip up there, so you can carry more speed into the first corner, and yes, you can get really close to that wall and not hit it. The exit's where I suggest breathing the gas, and try to clip the curbing. Don't use all of it, because that will make the car hop. Also, in the vid, I made my only mistake by missing the apex and kissing the wall. As you can see, I lost 2 mph with that, so yes, even light contact will hurt lap times.
T12 (Corner under the bridge): Set up the car properly before getting here. Even the smallest throttle lift in T11 will help line it up on the outside. Brake right before that spot where the light on the road end. Then attack that apex, as though you want to deliberately hit it. The car understeers enough that in most cases, you'll just clear it, and you'll get a thrill on all that speed you carry on the way out. This does require practice and bravery.
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Here's a Map:
There's a power poll on the left just before the kerbing. Works perfect. Just make sure to lift early, carry much speed, and try to get the inside kerb as Rich said. Use second on cold tires, stay in 3rd on warm ones, and try not to go below 60mph. Just ease into the throttle as grip allows and you'll get 16.0 in s1 quite reliably.
I take exactly the same approach going around the Meiji Gallery. Turn in at the last marker still WOT, lift off and use very light braking to scrub some speed when near the inside kerbing. Let the car naturally coast to the outside of the corner bleeding off speed down to about 80-84mph. (feel free to use light "maintenance throttle" to make up for over-braking or to slow down the speed scrub).
I don't pay any attention to outside markers. You should be looking toward the exit of the corner so you can manage the looping arc of the racing line (racing 101, always look where you want to go, not where you're going). You will see the outside signage coming through the trees in the distance, once you start to see the BP ones before the GT adverts (should be when you're crossing one of the 40's on the road near the "middle" of the corner) it's safe to get back on the throttle.
Like rich says, when you really nail it perfect you can go WOT from apex to exit and I'm usually grabbing 5th gear before the cross-walk and corner signs for the next left hander. You can tell the exit wasn't good enough if 4th isn't blinking the red-line until turn-in for the next corner.
Alternate approach to Kinenkan that's just as fast but less chance of hitting the outside wall.
Brake hard and dump into 3rd gear when approaching the 2nd yellow corner sign, turn in hard and tight and jump right back onto WOT making sure to take as much of the inside kerb as possible.
I highly recommend using that line when following another car or the draft-understeer will either make you throttle out so late that you lose speed on the back-straight or tug you into the wall.
Yeah, head toward the kerb on the right but stay off it, (also keep your entry tidy, stay off the outside kerb on the left during your approach, it's useless and only upsets the suspension). Tap the brake lightly, turn in very early (you're almost aiming to hit the inside wall on the left, but understeer past it). Use some "maintenance throttle" to maintain speed and fight understeer through the apex, WOT power out as soon as your testicles will allow.
115 is a good number, but I've taken it as fast as 117-119. But you will be in danger of clipping the exit wall with the rear bumper at those speeds and definitely need some kerb on the exit.
As soon as you get out of Yotsuya you'll be seeing the second timing pop up on your screen. A low 1:03 is good and anything .1 to .3 is on 1:53 pace but you really want to see a high 1:02.
... Follow Rich through s3, he kills me.
btw, Rich.. since we're the only ones qualified are we stupid for telling everyone how to beat us
There's a power poll on the left just before the kerbing. Works perfect. Just make sure to lift early, carry much speed, and try to get the inside kerb as Rich said. Use second on cold tires, stay in 3rd on warm ones, and try not to go below 60mph. Just ease into the throttle as grip allows and you'll get 16.0 in s1 quite reliably.
I take exactly the same approach going around the Meiji Gallery. Turn in at the last marker still WOT, lift off and use very light braking to scrub some speed when near the inside kerbing. Let the car naturally coast to the outside of the corner bleeding off speed down to about 80-84mph. (feel free to use light "maintenance throttle" to make up for over-braking or to slow down the speed scrub).
I don't pay any attention to outside markers. You should be looking toward the exit of the corner so you can manage the looping arc of the racing line (racing 101, always look where you want to go, not where you're going). You will see the outside signage coming through the trees in the distance, once you start to see the BP ones before the GT adverts (should be when you're crossing one of the 40's on the road near the "middle" of the corner) it's safe to get back on the throttle.
Like rich says, when you really nail it perfect you can go WOT from apex to exit and I'm usually grabbing 5th gear before the cross-walk and corner signs for the next left hander. You can tell the exit wasn't good enough if 4th isn't blinking the red-line until turn-in for the next corner.
Alternate approach to Kinenkan that's just as fast but less chance of hitting the outside wall.
Brake hard and dump into 3rd gear when approaching the 2nd yellow corner sign, turn in hard and tight and jump right back onto WOT making sure to take as much of the inside kerb as possible.
I highly recommend using that line when following another car or the draft-understeer will either make you throttle out so late that you lose speed on the back-straight or tug you into the wall.
Yeah, head toward the kerb on the right but stay off it, (also keep your entry tidy, stay off the outside kerb on the left during your approach, it's useless and only upsets the suspension). Tap the brake lightly, turn in very early (you're almost aiming to hit the inside wall on the left, but understeer past it). Use some "maintenance throttle" to maintain speed and fight understeer through the apex, WOT power out as soon as your testicles will allow.
115 is a good number, but I've taken it as fast as 117-119. But you will be in danger of clipping the exit wall with the rear bumper at those speeds and definitely need some kerb on the exit.
As soon as you get out of Yotsuya you'll be seeing the second timing pop up on your screen. A low 1:03 is good and anything .1 to .3 is on 1:53 pace but you really want to see a high 1:02.
... Follow Rich through s3, he kills me.
btw, Rich.. since we're the only ones qualified are we stupid for telling everyone how to beat us
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Just not into the wall, though.
For the record, that was a 50.540, so I estimate that would've been a 50.400 if I turned in a fraction earlier. There's just something about race run, where the walls seem to move an inch closer.
I know we all watch each other out there, so we're just posting what everyone should've picked up on. If anything, it helps me more just so I don't forget.btw, Rich.. since we're the only ones qualified are we stupid for telling everyone how to beat us
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Btw, how fast are you going through the second to last corner?
I did one that felt wonderful... Stomp the brake, turn in, power through, and was crossing the apex @ 93. Actually had to grab 5th before the expressway hairpin on that one.
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Same as you described, actually. Average is 90-92.Btw, how fast are you going through the second to last corner?
I did one that felt wonderful... Stomp the brake, turn in, power through, and was crossing the apex @ 93. Actually had to grab 5th before the expressway hairpin on that one.
I once hit that corner at 95, and with less tire scrub, but I used every iota of track. So satisfying, though.
