Questioning Religion

[SuperCobraJet]

The mule is neither male nor female? What?

A male mule is sterile. A female mule is not always sterile. You can breed from female mules

The fact that some hybrid animals cannot breed does not convey the fact that ALL hybrid animals cannot breed. Some raisins are covered in chocolate - do you see?

Yes, I admit my statement was not entirely true. A thousand pardons. However, it does not take away from the fact, mules cannot reproduce.

Fact is, many hybrids CAN reproduce, with the originating species and themselves (specifically the Malozi). So your statement had no basis in reality and you made it up - presumably on the basis that you'd heard mules didn't have a gender and couldn't reproduce (despite that being wrong).?

If they can't reproduce, to me the the gender is irrelevant. The point is, the fact that they cannot, is an example, I believe that goes contrary to evolutional theory.

And you haven't answered my second Ouija board question. Can I take a non-possessed piece of paper, a wholly unsatanic pen and a practically saintly kids' drinking mug and contact the Devil with them?

If you want to, you can contact and communicate with satanic spirits. Yes, and they do have power greater than you unless you have been saved. And even if you have been saved you must stand on the power and authority given you by the Lord Jesus Christ or he will still overpower you. The method you describe is irrelevant. As a matter of fact his influence is at work all around you. Where do you think think the cancer you mentioned comes from? And I ask you is your intellect more powerful than it is? Going back to the Bible, this resource is the only one I have found that exposes him.

 

[Danoff]

If they can't reproduce, to me the the gender is irrelevant. The point is, the fact that they cannot, is an example, I believe that goes contrary to evolutional theory.

He said three times now that there are plenty of examples where hybrids can reproduce.

Again I'm faced with two options.

1) You're too dense to figure out what he's talking about.
2) You don't want to listen to anyone else so you're purposely acting dense.


At least try to pay attention.

 

[Famine]

The mule is neither male nor female? What?

A male mule is sterile. A female mule is not always sterile. You can breed from female mules

Yes, I admit my statement was not entirely true. A thousand pardons. However, it does not take away from the fact, mules cannot reproduce.

You've just quoted me saying that, in fact, you CAN breed from female mules, and then say that mules cannot reproduce.

If they can't reproduce, to me the the gender is irrelevant. The point is, the fact that they cannot, is an example, I believe that goes contrary to evolutional theory.

Except that they can.

And it's not contrary to Evolutionary Theory in any way.

If you want to, you can contact and communicate with satanic spirits.

So why would I need a Ouija board made from plain paper, ballpoint pen and a kiddy cup to do it?

Wouldn't I be able to do it just with the power of my own mind?

Yes, and they do have power greater than you unless you have been saved. And even if you have been saved you must stand on the power and authority given you by the Lord Jesus Christ or he will still overpower you. The method you describe is irrelevant. As a matter of fact his influence is at work all around you. Where do you think think the cancer you mentioned comes from? And I ask you is your intellect more powerful than it is? Going back to the Bible, this resource is the only one I have found that exposes him.

Satan causes cancer? Wow, that's a new one.


Who's smarter? You or Santa Claus? After all, Santa can get all around the world in one night, according to "The Night Before Christmas" - the only resource I've found of that era where the reindeer Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner and Blitzen were listed by name.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

If you're not going to pay attention we're not going to get anywhere.
You said science is not truly provable. I almost nothing is truly provable.?

I have never said science is not provable. I said evolution is not provable. Or in other words, evolution is faulty science or at best, borderline science.

Clear enough?
Now ask yourself, why is that important? Why is it important that almost nothing is truly provable??)

I disagree. Many things are provable. I don't think you were paying attention to my reference to your Boss, job, and paycheck. Gravity for example is readily provable.

Take a step back and reread my posts. I want you to get a few things figured out.
1) I never said everything is imaginary. I said almost everything could be imaginary. There's a big difference.
2) I never said I don't exist, I said quite the opposite.
You've misunderstood almost everything I wrote, but I don't think the problem lies with me as others have had no trouble following. There are two options:?
1) You're too dense to figure out what I'm talking about.
2) You don't want to listen to anyone else so you're purposely acting dense.
You pick.?)

So you are saying that you cannot conclusively determine you exsist?
You are right. I am definitely missing something here.

(Is anyone going to respond to what I said about knowing that your book is the right book to follow? Am I talking to myself here?)

I answered this, but lost it when I tried to post, so I will have to go back and do it again.

 

[Anderton Prime]

And of course every word danoff said is true - certainly with relation to metaphysics.

If a tree falls in the forest and there's no-one around to hear, does it make a sound?

That's just step one of these types of questions. Without looking, what exists right behind you, right now? Are you sure? Does anything exist that you cannot perceive? Do I exist, or am I danoff's other login? What exists when you close your eyes? If you blink does everything temporarily cease to exist then suddenly get called back into existence when your eyes re-open?

The problem is, we mere humans can only perceive existence at it appears to our senses - by sight, sound, touch, taste and smell. If we can't do any of these, we tend to ignore it - would we be aware that air existed on a still day?

But above all, we are the only ones that can perceive ourselves (although chimps and pigs show similar self-awareness). I am the only one who can perceive my thoughts at any given time, but I cannot perceive others' thoughts. Ever. I think, therefore I am. I don't know if you think, therefore you might not be.

Did Famine's speech here make anyone else think of the Matrix where Morpheus is trying to explain how the matrix works to Neo?

"This isn't real."

"How do you define real? If real is something you can see, or taste, or touch, then real is nothing more than electrical impulses interpreted by your brain."

Now if anyone mentions the two sequels I'll be forced to Agent Smith their ass right here in front of everyone. I just thought maybe SCJ could maybe watch that movie again (or for the first time) and try to learn something from it.

My point exactly. The Yukon Gold didn't just happen.

Exactly. HUMANS made it. Is this an example of humans playing God? Because the Yukon Gold potato exists here on earth, and God certainly didn't put it here. So how can you say God created everything?

 

[Bocha]

Yes, and they do have power greater than you unless you have been saved. And even if you have been saved you must stand on the power and authority given you by the Lord Jesus Christ or he will still overpower you. The method you describe is irrelevant. As a matter of fact his influence is at work all around you. Where do you think think the cancer you mentioned comes from? And I ask you is your intellect more powerful than it is? Going back to the Bible, this resource is the only one I have found that exposes him.

Let me see if i understand, the good things are sended by God and bads by Satan. So, all the children who die of hunger in Africa are possesed by Satan? Send 10,000 exorcists instead of food.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Let me see if i understand, the good things are sended by God and bads by Satan. So, all the children who die of hunger in Africa are possesed by Satan? Send 10,000 exorcists instead of food.

I agree with the point that you are trying to make Bocha, but there is no need to be facetious.

SCJ, I believe in a higher power (as you do), but in my opinion, you cannot blame every evil on "satan". According to the Bible, God gave people the freedom of choice. Essentially, it is our choices that affect the world around us. Good and evil originiate from the individual choices that we make, not any one specific entity.

Of course that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

You've just quoted me saying that, in fact, you CAN breed from female mules, and then say that mules cannot reproduce.
Except that they can.?

You know what I'm saying, but if you insist, I will spell it out.You cannot breed two mules, they will not reproduce.. Saying that, automatically infers a male and a female. How many examples do you know of same gender, breeding an offspring? And I'm the one thats dense?

And it's not contrary to Evolutionary Theory in any way.

Its propably useless to ask, but upon what do you base that?

So why would I need a Ouija board made from plain paper, ballpoint pen and a kiddy cup to do it? Wouldn't I be able to do it just with the power of my own mind?..?

I said your example was irrelevant.

Satan causes cancer? Wow, that's a new one?

Again, you are assuming that everything is only observable or explainable in the physical or intellectual demension. Which is only natural because we are demensionally limited until we are born again of the Holy spirit. The power behind the physical is in the spiritual realm and is more real than the physical. The physical was created out of the spiritual.

Who's smarter? You or Santa Claus? After all, Santa can get all around the world in one night, according to "The Night Before Christmas" - the only resource I've found of that era where the reindeer Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner and Blitzen were listed by name.

Yea I know it sounds pretty far out, but it is true. As has been stated before, the
the carnal mind cannot comprehend the things of the spirit for they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Anderton Prime]

But you've been claiming that YOU and YOUR "carnal mind" CAN comprehend the "things of the spirit" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean -- but I expect such vagueness from you). So WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

 

[Famine]

You know what I'm saying, but if you insist, I will spell it out.You cannot breed two mules, they will not reproduce.. Saying that, automatically infers a male and a female. How many examples do you know of same gender, breeding an offspring? And I'm the one thats dense?

A few minor points here:

First, huh?

Second, given that mules have little to do with it, I've already given you one example of WILD hybrid species which can propogate themselves - the Marozi. Hybrid species CAN and DO reproduce. Not all do - that's not the same thing at all. But some hybrid species can and do, even in the wild.

Thirdly, how does the existence of a male mule (or hinny) and female mule (or hinny) mean that all mules are the same gender? Male mules (or hinnies) are in fact notoriously promiscuous, despite firing blanks. For reference, there's a chromosomal answer as to why the males don't reproduce - they have 63 chromosomes, giving an aneuploidy in the gametes. Horses of course have 64 and donkeys have 62.

Fourthly, about six million examples. Greenfly are quite high on the list.

And finally, yes. Yes, you are. You persistantly refuse to acknowledge clear examples of that which you refute.

Its propably useless to ask, but upon what do you base that?

Oh, I don't know. The fact that male mules inability to make sperm has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Evolutionary Theory.

On what did you base your assumption that it "goes contrary to evolutional theory"?

I said your example was irrelevant.

Actually, it's highly relevant. You just don't realise it.

You seem to think that a Ouija board is inherently an evil thing. I find that staggering, given that it's a piece of cardboard with some printing on it. You also seem to think that anything which can make a Ouija board is also inherently evil in the form of a Ouija board - which is also staggering, given that God-created the components.

Would an open book with a small magnifying glass on it be as evil as a Ouija board? You have random letters, a tumbler and a person whom the tumbler is "communicating through".

Can you really contact the Devil with an upside down jam jar - or, given the blindfolded/upside-down board test, is it really the fact that impressionable people think they're conjuring up spirits with a device no more magical than a squashed frog?

The common denominator in the earlier example which you failed to guess was "the people".

In fact a Ouija board serves no purpose other than making people think they're seeing things that they aren't, by the nature of the myth surrounding it. Just like being in a haunted house makes people think they're cold.

Again, you are assuming that everything is only observable or explainable in the physical or intellectual demension. Which is only natural because we are demensionally limited until we are born again of the Holy spirit. The power behind the physical is in the spiritual realm and is more real than the physical. The physical was created out of the spiritual.

Evidence?

And it's still DIMENSION.

Yea I know it sounds pretty far out, but it is true. As has been stated before, the the carnal mind cannot comprehend the things of the spirit for they are spiritually discerned.

But your mind, being freed by the Holy Spirit, can? Despite the fact you keep making up things about hybrid animals which are patently untrue, in contravention of 8th Commandment (Catholic, 9th in Protestant and Hebrew).

Or is the information I have, garnered through observable evidence and peer-reviewing, from Satan, to confuse and disorient, and the information you have, garnered from something you once heard in a whist drive about mules, the Word of God and therefore infinitely more valid?

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Let me see if i understand, the good things are sended by God and bads by Satan. So, all the children who die of hunger in Africa are possesed by Satan? Send 10,000 exorcists instead of food.

Your close. I wouldn't say possesed necessarily, but certainly powerless and/or
ignorant. Send 10,000 Christian missionaries or you will never stop sending food.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Your close. I wouldn't say possesed necessarily, but certainly powerless and/or
ignorant. Send 10,000 Christian missionaries or you will never stop sending food.

Now you've gone too far.
What exactly do you mean "ignorant"? Also, how is forcing your religion onto someone else suppose to help them?

I want to hear a good explanation for that last sentence.

EDIT: Also, just what are you trying to say about Africa and its inhabitants by making that last comment?

 

[Famine]

Especially when you consider the broadly Catholic make up of most of Africa. But never mind things like facts, eh?

Ethiopa... >50% Christian...

 

[Anderton Prime]

Your close. I wouldn't say possesed necessarily, but certainly powerless and/or
ignorant. Send 10,000 Christian missionaries or you will never stop sending food.

Quick! Everybody get ready to witness a smiting!

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Quick! Everybody get ready to witness a smiting!

Thank you for that -- relieves the tension a bit.

However, I still want an explanation from him.

 

[Duke]

With any luck, the starving Africans will eat the 10,000 missionaries. Since after all, they must all be cannibals, right?

How's that for offensive? This thread continues to be pathetic. I keep checking in hoping that some meaningful bridge has opend up to this guy, and I keep being disappointed. I'm going to quit hoping for the apparently impossible.

 

[Danoff]

Your close. I wouldn't say possesed necessarily, but certainly powerless and/or
ignorant. Send 10,000 Christian missionaries or you will never stop sending food.

I'm not surprised at this considering that he thinks Ouiji boards are magical. He's a lost cause.

 

[Anderton Prime]

I suspect that in SuperCobraJet's mixed up world, with his hard-headed perception of reality, it's as difficult for him to try to talk his version of "sense" into all of us as it is for us to try and talk out sense to him.

He's an example of a religious zealot with no sense of humour. Just like the Taliban.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Unless he's writing a novel, I don't see why it would take this long to respond to my questions. He's being evasive, now. A simple "quick reply" would suffice. I want an explanation.

EDIT: He's offline now. Unbelievable. A few simple questions, and he signs off.

 

[sn00pie]

(please forgive the nature of this post)

Your close. I wouldn't say possesed necessarily, but certainly powerless and/or
ignorant. Send 10,000 Christian missionaries or you will never stop sending food.

Haha. You're a total idiot.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

A few minor points here:
First, huh?
Second, given that mules have little to do with it, I've already given you one example of WILD hybrid species which can propogate themselves - the Marozi. Hybrid species CAN and DO reproduce. Not all do - that's not the same thing at all. But some hybrid species can and do, even in the wild.?

We already adressed that.

Thirdly, how does the existence of a male mule (or hinny) and female mule (or hinny) mean that all mules are the same gender? Male mules (or hinnies) are in fact notoriously promiscuous, despite firing blanks. For reference, there's a chromosomal answer as to why the males don't reproduce - they have 63 chromosomes, giving an aneuploidy in the gametes. Horses of course have 64 and donkeys have 62.

All that, to say the same thing I already said; Mules can't reproduce.

Fourthly, about six million examples. Greenfly are quite high on the list..

OK, I'll give you the flys. Now get back to the mammal family and give me an example.

And finally, yes. Yes, you are. You persistantly refuse to acknowledge clear examples of that which you refute.

If I am, I'm certainly not alone.

Oh, I don't know. The fact that male mules inability to make sperm has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Evolutionary Theory.
On what did you base your assumption that it "goes contrary to evolutional theory"?

The impression that hybrids are evidence of evolution.

Actually, it's highly relevant. You just don't realise it.

You seem to think that a Ouija board is inherently an evil thing. I find that staggering, given that it's a piece of cardboard with some printing on it. You also seem to think that anything which can make a Ouija board is also inherently evil in the form of a Ouija board - which is also staggering, given that God-created the components.Would an open book with a small magnifying glass on it be as evil as a Ouija board? You have random letters, a tumbler and a person whom the tumbler is "communicating through"

You don't understand what I'm saying. The Ouija board is an inanimate object. Therefore it is irrelevant. The relevancy is in the willful and deliberate seeking of divination, fortune telling, palm reading, mysticism,newage,occultism,etc. Whether your using a board or a crystal ball, is irrelevant.

Can you really contact the Devil with an upside down jam jar - or, given the blindfolded/upside-down board test, is it really the fact that impressionable people think they're conjuring up spirits with a device no more magical than a squashed frog?The common denominator in the earlier example which you failed to guess was "the people".In fact a Ouija board serves no purpose other than making people think they're seeing things that they aren't, by the nature of the myth surrounding it. Just like being in a haunted house makes people think they're cold.

Since the devil is a phony and a liar you are correct to a degree. He cons people into doing his bidding for him. But make no mistake about it, he very subtle and crafty. He's also powerful to some extent because he operates in the spiritual dimension.

Evidence?

And it's still DIMENSION.

Sorry about the spelling, and thanks for the correction.

But your mind, being freed by the Holy Spirit, can? Despite the fact you keep making up things about hybrid animals which are patently untrue, in contravention of 8th Commandment (Catholic, 9th in Protestant and Hebrew).?

I admitted my statement wasn't entirely correct. In all honesty I made it in confidence that it wouldn't escape you. Why to you think I made the comment about yanking your chain.

Or is the information I have, garnered through observable evidence and peer-reviewing, from Satan, to confuse and disorient, and the information you have, garnered from something you once heard in a whist drive about mules, the Word of God and therefore infinitely more valid?

You be the judge.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

All of those words and not a single sentence in response to my questions.

 

[Anderton Prime]

I admitted my statement wasn't entirely correct. In all honesty I made it in confidence that it wouldn't escape you. Why to you think I made the comment about yanking your chain.

Are you honestly going to sit there at your computer and try to convince everyone here that whenever you make a statement that is filled to the brim with bull****, that you MEANT to do that and were hoping someone else would catch it?

Although I don't expect an answer. You've failed to respond to anything I or MrktMkr has said for the last two or three pages, which is not helping your mission.

 

[Danoff]

OK, I'll give you the flys. Now get back to the mammal family and give me an example.

That's great.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

He disappeared again... as expected.

Let me try this again...

Since the devil is a phony and a liar you are correct to a degree. He cons people into doing his bidding for him. But make no mistake about it, he very suttle and crafty. He's also powerful to some extent because he operates in the spiritual dimension.

If one does not believe in the devil, how can one be conned into "doing his bidding"?

 

[keram]

I have to say, I never question faith nor practice it. I just don't waste my life thinking about it.

 

[Famine]

The impression that hybrids are evidence of evolution.

Which of course they aren't.

You see, the trouble is, you just don't understand what Evolution really is.

The Ouija board is an inanimate object. Therefore it is irrelevant.

Is it really? So where did this come from:

How can a piece of cardboard with letters printed on it and some impressionable gimps with an upturned beaker release the Devil?

Were back to demension again.You are only considering it on one demension.

The relevancy is in the willful and deliberate seeking of divination, fortune telling, palm reading, mysticism,newage,occultism,etc. Whether your using a board or a crystal ball, is irrelevant.

Ah, so a Christian (assuming he's the correct denomination) can use a Ouija board without fear, but a "non-believer" cannot, because it isn't the board, it's the faith of the user?

 

[Bocha]

Your close. I wouldn't say possesed necessarily, but certainly powerless and/or
ignorant. Send 10,000 Christian missionaries or you will never stop sending food.

No way, man!

Powerless? are you kidding me? How can you say powerless to people whom it has to coexist with the hunger, diseases, illiteracy?.
They don't need 10,000 missionaries, tell me that they would make to save them? to preach to them?. First, what they need is to feed itself well, second, to receive a good education to be able to think by themselves.
If you send 10,000 missionaries, maybe it has been happening just like 500 years ago when in the name of God million natives in whole America were massacreed. Because that people think as you and think if one becomes under the God name, everything is been worth.

Excuse my english.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Did Famine's speech here make anyone else think of the Matrix where Morpheus is trying to explain how the matrix works to Neo?
"This isn't real."
"How do you define real? If real is something you can see, or taste, or touch, then real is nothing more than electrical impulses interpreted by your brain."
Now if anyone mentions the two sequels I'll be forced to Agent Smith their ass right here in front of everyone. I just thought maybe SCJ could maybe watch that movie again (or for the first time) and try to learn something from it.?

Maybe I could, but its hard to seriously consider a recommendation from someone
who willfully admits they are not sure whats real.

Exactly. HUMANS made it. Is this an example of humans playing God? Because the Yukon Gold potato exists here on earth, and God certainly didn't put it here. So how can you say God created everything?

This refers to my comment about reproductive genetics and how they can be manipulated but someone has to do the manipulating. Originally, God did create everything. Whether or not its playing GOD I don't know. I wouldn't think so. I don't necessarily see why GOD would object, if you wanted and developed a gold potatoe.

 

[PS]

I appologize in advance if this post offends anyone.

I think you may be watching too many movies

Another pithy remark. Along with every single one in response to danoff's hyopthetical insanity situation- I'm getting quite bored, and sick of it. If you can not read through what someone has said and take it seriously, then you need to leave. Religion has been the basis of love, hate, wars, opression, injustice and persecution for thousands of years and thats not going to change. It's not something to be toyed with, and I recommend that you start responding with maturity, for I've already lost any sense of credibility you used to have.

I admitted my statement wasn't entirely correct. In all honesty I made it in confidence that it wouldn't escape you. Why to you think I made the comment about yanking your chain.

Are you honestly going to sit there at your computer and try to convince everyone here that whenever you make a statement that is filled to the brim with bull****, that you MEANT to do that and were hoping someone else would catch it?

Although I don't expect an answer. You've failed to respond to anything I or MrktMkr has said for the last two or three pages, which is not helping your mission.

My point proven, once again.

All that, to say the same thing I already said; Mules can't reproduce.

Famine already made it clear that female mules have the potential to do so. Or maybe you dodged that post too.

And finally, yes. Yes, you are. You persistantly refuse to acknowledge clear examples of that which you refute.

If I am, I'm certainly not alone.

While that may be true, you you've not presented any clear examples or details. Any of some form of credible/relevant example anyway.

(please forgive the nature of this post)

Your close. I wouldn't say possesed necessarily, but certainly powerless and/or
ignorant. Send 10,000 Christian missionaries or you will never stop sending food.

Haha. You're a total idiot.

Pwned. By a mod.

Well, I hope you've gotten the point. You need to promptly clean up your act before we all dismiss you as insane, in which case you'll will probably go insane anyway from everyone saying you've gone insane and then you won;t realise it, thinking you're actually sane, and then claim to be sane, and thuis sound even more insane. So start making sense, and start presenting rebuttles worth reading.

Now, on another note, just so we're clear:

-hybrids can reproduce
-Ouija boards are a crock of ****
-the only Devil is in Tasmania
-stop talking as though God speaks through you, because when you do it gives him a bad name

With any luck, the starving Africans will eat the 10,000 missionaries. Since after all, they must all be cannibals, right?

How's that for offensive? This thread continues to be pathetic. I keep checking in hoping that some meaningful bridge has opend up to this guy, and I keep being disappointed. I'm going to quit hoping for the apparently impossible.

Hope I've changed your mind.