Questioning Religion

[SuperCobraJet]

Are you honestly going to sit there at your computer and try to convince everyone here that whenever you make a statement that is filled to the brim with bull****, that you MEANT to do that and were hoping someone else would catch it?

Although I don't expect an answer. You've failed to respond to anything I or MrktMkr has said for the last two or three pages, which is not helping your mission.

I think you are overeacting. While it wasn't entirely true, it wasn't entirely false either and I knew that when I made it. And yes if it had gotten by Famine I would have been shocked. But it didn't. In hindsite maybe I should have stuck with the mules, but I don't consider it a gross breach of forum etiquette. If you do then I apologize for purposely making a statement that I knew was not entirely true when I made it. I repent.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

He disappeared again... as expected.

Let me try this again...



If one does not believe in the devil, how can one be conned into "doing his bidding"?

Just because you don't think he is there doesn't mean he isn't.

 

[Famine]

Just because you don't think he is there doesn't mean he isn't.

That's an open goal if ever I saw one. I'll leave it to someone else. It's too tempting.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

But you've been claiming that YOU and YOUR "carnal mind" CAN comprehend the "things of the spirit" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean -- but I expect such vagueness from you). So WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

I've already answered this once. BTW way my carnal mind can't comprehend it any more than yours and I never claimed it could. I am able to communicate it to you on that level now, but it cannot be percieved that way originally. Without a spiritual dimension(I hope Famine sees this spelling, It proves I'm not completely dense HaHa) and by that I mean the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to comprehend the" things of the spirit''or spirit realm. Once you have that dimension you can get understanding of these things. It is referred to as revelation. Once they are revealed to you thru the Holy Spirit, since all of your dimensions are hubbed together it is understood and/or in some cases felt by the applicable other dimensions. That is why Jesus said you must be born again. Of water(your physical birth) and Spirit (your spiritual birth).

 

[PS]

That's an open goal if ever I saw one. I'll leave it to someone else. It's too tempting.

You're right- we should save it for danoff.

I think you are overeacting. While it wasn't entirely true, it wasn't entirely false either and I knew that when I made it. And yes if it had gotten by Famine I would have been shocked. But it didn't. In hindsite maybe I should have stuck with the mules, but I don't consider it a gross breach of forum etiquette. If you do then I apologize for purposely making a statement that I knew was not entirely true when I made it. I repent.

Just because you don't think he is there doesn't mean he isn't.

I've already answered this once. BTW way my carnal mind can't comprehend it any more than yours and I never claimed it could. I am able to communicate it to you on that level now, but it cannot be percieved that way originally. Without a spiritual dimension(I hope Famine sees this spelling, It proves I'm not completely dense HaHa) and by that I mean the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to comprehend the" things of the spirit''or spirit realm. Once you have that dimension you can get understanding of these things. It is referred to as revelation. Once they are revealed to you thru the Holy Spirit, since all of your dimensions are hubbed together it is understood and/or in some cases felt by the applicable other dimensions. That is why Jesus said you must be born again. Of water(your physical birth) and Spirit (your spiritual birth).

3 posts all dodging my last. Now that's progress.

And SCJ, have you never thought that a spirit may have never communicated with anyone, but more or less someone hoped for it to be true so bad, that they convinced themselves they were connected with Jesus or God or w/e and eventually came to a conclusion on their own? Or just realized something while on a ton of peyote?

 

[Sage]

OK, I'll give you the flys. Now get back to the mammal family and give me an example.

You're not serious, are you? If I were Famine, I'd be slamming my head against the table right now.

Look, what did I tell you about evading questions/answers? A million pages in this thread later, you're still doing it, except worse now (you've managed to evade whole pages of information now).

Without a spiritual dimension… and by that I mean the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to comprehend the" things of the spirit''or spirit realm. Once you have that dimension you can get understanding of these things.

1) What is this Holy Spirit,
2) How do we get it,
3) Why is the spiritual dimension inaccessible without it,
4) And why is it (conveniently) inexplainable to those who aren't in the club?

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Which of course they aren't.
You see, the trouble is, you just don't understand what Evolution really is.
Is it really? So where did this come from:
Ah, so a Christian (assuming he's the correct denomination) can use a Ouija board without fear, but a "non-believer" cannot, because it isn't the board, it's the faith of the user?

Absolutely not. That goes for anyone, however I can't imagine what a learned Christian would use it for.

 

[PS]

LOL he dodged another one snzerozeropie. And mine too.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

You're not serious, are you? If I were Famine, I'd be slamming my head against the table right now.?

Why? I asked him to give me an example of same gender breeding in the mule category where this thing started. It didn't start in flies. Go back and check the post. In fact I still can't believe I'm still repeating that Mules can't reproduce. Famine already admitted they couldn't. Do you see any other other entity mentioned in that statement. Mules means only Mules and nothing but Mules.
But I'm the one thats dense and insane.

Look, what did I tell you about evading questions/answers? A million pages in this thread later, you're still doing it, except worse now (you've managed to evade whole pages of information now).?

I can only answer so many so fast. Like I said in a prior post, I have to catch as catch can. Not only that, but I'm having to choose my words more carefully than ever since I've been called for purposely making intentional bulls**t comments because I ran a little pic on Famine. I fessed up to it.

1) What is this Holy Spirit,
2) How do we get it,
3) Why is the spiritual dimension inaccessible without it,
4) And why is it (conveniently) inexplainable to those who aren't in the club?

I'll see what I can do on these.

 

[PS]

But after you dodge another comment of mine, let me tell you that female mules CAN reproduce (for the second time).

 

[SuperCobraJet]

You're right- we should save it for danoff.



3 posts all dodging my last. Now that's progress.

And SCJ, have you never thought that a spirit may have never communicated with anyone, but more or less someone hoped for it to be true so bad, that they convinced themselves they were connected with Jesus or God or w/e and eventually came to a conclusion on their own? Or just realized something while on a ton of peyote?

You can wonder and imagine yourself into almost any possibility, if you work at it hard enough. Check some of these posts, some of these guys aren't even sure they exsist. Now you tell me, how far you want to go with that stuff, and how in any way, shape, or form is it beneficial or explain anything. You can imagine anything you want, believe or not believe anything you want. All I can tell you is its real, and not because I want it to be true or imagine that its true. Its real because it is God's way and plan not man's way and plan. Furthermore I can't help that its only in one book. If you can say what you need to say in one book would you write a half dozen books? I don't suspect he would either. Besides if the answer or solution to something is over here, what does it matter, that its not over there. Hey, I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

But after you dodge another comment of mine, let me tell you that female mules CAN reproduce (for the second time).

Well check it again. My statement says "mules". So you have any combination of
female mule and male mule to work with you want. So now tell me what the offspring is going to be.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I agree with the point that you are trying to make Bocha, but there is no need to be facetious.

SCJ, I believe in a higher power (as you do), but in my opinion, you cannot blame every evil on "satan". According to the Bible, God gave people the freedom of choice. Essentially, it is our choices that affect the world around us. Good and evil originiate from the individual choices that we make, not any one specific entity.

We do have to take responsibility for our choices, but we are born under his influence and he has the upper hand on us. Sort of like an older person taking advantage of a kid. At any rate, if it wasn't a grave situation Christ would not have had to come down and pay the price he did to defeat him and offer back to us our redemption. What do you mean when you say you believe in a higher power? Are you a Christian?

 

[Bocha]

Mule or not mule, we are going to begin by the beginning.
Adam and Eve had three sons (Cain, Abel and Seth). Cain kill Abel, for me it's the end of the human race, for the bible is the beginning of all we.

 

[PS]

Mule or not mule, we are going to begin by the beginning.
Adam and Eve had three sons (Cain, Abel and Seth). Cain kill Abel, for me it's the end of the human race, for the bible is the beginning of all we.

What the hell does that mean?

Well check it again. My statement says "mules". So you have any combination of
female mule and male mule to work with you want. So now tell me what the offspring is going to be.

Noone can tell you what gender they will be, unless a tissue/DNA sample is taken from the fetus after significant growth. If you're asking what the animal will be, I don't know- but I remember clearly reading that female Mules can reproduce, and unless a female mule is not female, then that's reproduction.

You can wonder and imagine yourself into almost any possibility, if you work at it hard enough. Check some of these posts, some of these guys aren't even sure they exsist. Now you tell me, how far you want to go with that stuff, and how in any way, shape, or form is it beneficial or explain anything. You can imagine anything you want, believe or not believe anything you want. All I can tell you is its real, and not because I want it to be true or imagine that its true. Its real because it is God's way and plan not man's way and plan. Furthermore I can't help that its only in one book. If you can say what you need to say in one book would you write a half dozen books? I don't suspect he would either. Besides if the answer or solution to something is over here, what does it matter, that its not over there. Hey, I don't know what else to tell you.

Not much a reponse, but whatever.

What I'm saying is that the Ouija board is not...performed, or guided in any way other than the users biased intentions to get a certain result. If the person truly was guided by some...thing/entity, then blindfolding the person and switching the Ouija board shouldn't make a difference.

And for the last time, the insanity/existence references made by danoff and I are purely hypothetical and we're just kidding. It's just an example to prove that noone can truly "know" something, for what lies beyond closed doors remains to be seen.

All I can tell you is its real, and not because I want it to be true or imagine that its true. Its real because it is God's way and plan not man's way and plan. Furthermore I can't help that its only in one book. If you can say what you need to say in one book would you write a half dozen books? I don't suspect he would either.

How do you know it's gods' way? How do you KNOW he truly exists? Until someone actually gets documented evidence of him, and not a book that anyone could have wrote to keep their kids from becomming psychopaths, then noone can testify that god actually exists. Anything less than that simply what you believe, and you are in no position to tell anyone what's real and what's not. God is just like Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and Boo Radley- you're never going to see him.

 

[Famine]

Absolutely not. That goes for anyone, however I can't imagine what a learned Christian would use it for.

If a Ouija Board is really an inanimate object and it's the people using it to call upon "evil spirits", as you said, why can't a pure-of-heart Christian use it fearlessly?

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Your close. I wouldn't say possesed necessarily, but certainly powerless and/or
ignorant. Send 10,000 Christian missionaries or you will never stop sending food.

Now you've gone too far.
What exactly do you mean "ignorant"? Also, how is forcing your religion onto someone else suppose to help them?

I want to hear a good explanation for that last sentence.

EDIT: Also, just what are you trying to say about Africa and its inhabitants by making that last comment?

Please, SCJ. Elaborate on this statement.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

We do have to take responsibility for our choices, but we are born under his influence and he has the upper hand on us. Sort of like an older person taking advantage of a kid. At any rate, if it wasn't a grave situation Christ would not have had to come down and pay the price he did to defeat him and offer back to us our redemption.

What do you mean when you say you believe in a higher power?

I believe there is a God.

Are you a Christian?

No, Presbyterian. Some Christians scare me.

 

[Bocha]

Please, SCJ. Elaborate on this statement.

He can't, just evades certain answers.

I really want a good explanation.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Noone can tell you what gender they will be, unless a tissue/DNA sample is taken from the fetus after significant growth. If you're asking what the animal will be, I don't know- but I remember clearly reading that female Mules can reproduce, and unless a female mule is not female, then that's reproduction..

This is amazing. Where is a Moderator when you need one.

Not much a reponse, but whatever.

What I'm saying is that the Ouija board is not...performed, or guided in any way other than the users biased intentions to get a certain result. If the person truly was guided by some...thing/entity, then blindfolding the person and switching the Ouija board shouldn't make a difference. ..

Believe whatever you like. But there are demonic spirits behind these things,which I have already described. There is also ample testimonies from people who have actively participated in them and later wish they hadn't. Here is another little tid bit on this. There is some documentation that Hitler and his top Brass participated in this stuff.

And for the last time, the insanity/existence references made by danoff and I are purely hypothetical and we're just kidding. It's just an example to prove that noone can truly "know" something, for what lies beyond closed doors remains to be seen. ..

Rev.3:20 Behold, I(The LORD) stand at the door and knock: If anyone hears, listens to, heeds my voice, and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him and him with me. You are the only one who can open that door.

How do you know it's gods' way? How do you KNOW he truly exists? Until someone actually gets documented evidence of him, and not a book that anyone could have wrote to keep their kids from becomming psychopaths, then noone can testify that god actually exists. Anything less than that simply what you believe, and you are in no position to tell anyone what's real and what's not. God is just like Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and Boo Radley- you're never going to see him.

I just answered that. The documentation is within each individual who opens that door. He only mentions two people being there.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

SCJ, here's a suggestion. When posting replies, you should start at the last page and then work your way backwards. It makes it seem as if you are ignoring/evading people's posts.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Please, SCJ. Elaborate on this statement.

I'm talking about a principle, not a place. People die of starvation or exposure in most of the major cities of the world. Why do you suppose that is? Have you never heard of the Chinese proverb: Give a man a fish and you can feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can feed himself for a lifetime.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

SCJ, here's a suggestion. When posting replies, you should start at the last page and then work your way backwards. It makes it seem as if you are ignoring/evading people's posts.

It may make it seem that way, but theres only so much time and I,m trying not to yield to hasty posting. Never the less, thanks for the tip.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

I'm talking about a principle, not a place. People die of starvation or exposure in most of the major cities of the world. Why do you suppose that is? Have you never heard of the Chinese proverb: Give a man a fish and you can feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can feed himself for a lifetime.

I have heard of the proverb.

You should have said that from the beginning. Understand, though, that using words such as "ignorant" and "powerless" in reference to certain people (not a principle or place) makes you sound like a racist...

 

[Tacet_Blue]

Give a man a fish and you can feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can feed himself for a lifetime.

If missionaries were any good at Fishing or teaching Farming, or irrigation then your statement would have made more sense...
...but they usually tend to talk about God and Jesus rather than crop rotation.

 

[Duke]

If missionaries were any good at Fishing or teaching Farming, or irrigation then your statement would have made more sense...
...but they usually tend to talk about God and Jesus rather than crop rotation.

And I'd like to reiterate the proof that Famine offered - which SCJ totally blew off, yet again - that Africa is in fact mostly Christian at this point. Which pretty much renders the original statement irrelevant as well as ignorant.
:roll and eyes:

You can wonder and imagine yourself into almost any possibility, if you work at it hard enough. Check some of these posts, some of these guys aren't even sure they exsist.

You keep hammering this same point, and you keep getting what danoff said wrong each and every freaking time you repeat it. Do you honestly think that if you repeat it enough that it will become true?

Well, come to think of it, I guess you do, considering that's how you appear to live your life, as described here.

Now you tell me, how far you want to go with that stuff, and how in any way, shape, or form is it beneficial or explain anything. You can imagine anything you want, believe or not believe anything you want. All I can tell you is its real, and not because I want it to be true or imagine that its true. Its real because it is God's way and plan not man's way and plan. Furthermore I can't help that its only in one book. If you can say what you need to say in one book would you write a half dozen books? I don't suspect he would either. Besides if the answer or solution to something is over here, what does it matter, that its not over there. Hey, I don't know what else to tell you.

The rest of this statement is so incredibly self-unaware as to defy imagination. You must have willingly poked your own metaphorical eyes out with sticks, and then taken Ray Charles's sunglasses, and then gotten a set of blinders from an Amish buggy horse, in order to have managed to miss just how precisely the part in red contradicts everything you say after it.

In all honesty, this kind of internal discontinuity between perception and action would leave me a blubbering pile of human wreckage.

 

[Anderton Prime]

The only purpose this thread serves for me now is to see how low and ridiculous it can possibly sink. I love checking back here every few hours to see the new additions that people have contributed. It's like a giant hydra monster; when you finally succeed in cutting off one ugly head, two grow back in its place. Entertainment for the masses!

 

[SuperCobraJet]

If a Ouija Board is really an inanimate object and it's the people using it to call upon "evil spirits", as you said, why can't a pure-of-heart Christian use it fearlessly?

Paul, an Apostle of the LORD said it like this: How can light have fellowship with darkness? What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil?

 

[Anderton Prime]

If God can forgive humans all our sins, how come He cannot forgive Satan?

 

[Duke]

Because 'Satan' hasn't asked to be forgiven.