Race Car Classification

[Tornado]

Whoops! Double posted!

 

[Tornado]

I have also complied such a list back in November:
ALMS/Le Mans 24 Hours
LM-GTP
Toyota GT-One
Bentley Speed 8
Group C
Toyota MINOLTA 88-CV
Nissan R92CP
Nissan R89C
Mercedes Benz Sauber C9
Peugeout 905
Jaguar XJR-9
Mazda 787B
LMP900/LMP1
BMW V12 LMR
Audi R8
Pescarolo Courage '03
Playstation Pescarolo '04
GT1 (old)
Nissan R-390 GT1
Mercedes Benz CLK-GTR
McLaren F1 GTR (Longtail)
Panoz Esperante GTR-1
Jaguar XJ220 LM**
GTS/GT2 (currently GT1)
Pagani Zonda C12 LM**
Chevrolet Camaro LM*
Ford GT LM Spec-II*
Ford GT LM*
Nissan Fairlady Z LM*
Nissan Skyline GT-R LM*
Honda NSX-R LM**
Chevrolet Corvette C5-R
Dodge Viper GTR-R Team Oreca
Lister Storm V12
Mazda RX-7 LM*
Mazda RX-8 LM*
GT3/GT (currently GT2)
BMW M3 GTR
Mitsubishi FTO LM*
Subaru Impreza LM*
Honda S2000 LM*
Prototype
Ford GT40
Chaparal 2D
Can-Am
Toyota 7
Chaparal 2J
Rallying
Group B
Ford RS200
Renault 5 Maxi Turbo
Lancia Delta S4
Peugeout 205 T16
Mitsubishi Starion
Nissan Silvia 240RS
Peugeout 205 T16 Evo II
Group A/WRC/Group N
Lancia Delta HF Intergrale
Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST-185)
Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST-205)
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI
Subaru Impreza WRX STi '99
Subaru Impreza Prototype
Subaru Impreza '01
Subaru Impreza '03
Mitsubishi Lancer Super Evolution
Citroen Xsara
Ford Escort
Ford Focus
Peugeout 206
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac*
Group 4
Lancia Stratos
Group 2
Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR
Nissan Bluebird 1600SSS
Paris Dakar Rally Raid
Mitsubishi Pajero Rally Raid
Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution Rally Raid
Toyota RSC Rally Raid*
Pikes Peak International Hill Climb
Suzuki ESCUDO Dirt Trial Car
DTM
FIA Class 1
Mercedes-Benz 190 Evo II
Alfa Romeo 155
Opel Calibra
"Masters"
Audi abt TT-R
Audi A4
Opel Astra
Mercedes-Benz CLK
ETCC
BMW 320i Touring Car
WTCC
Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car `01 (though this might possibly be a play on a GT300 car) *
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R Touring Car `01 *
Mazda Mazda6 Touring Car `02 *
Super GT/JGTC
GT300
ASL ARTA Garaiya
Subaru Cusco Advan Impreza
Nissan C-West Razo Silvia
Toyota Wedssport Celica
Toyota Superautobacs apex MR-S
GT500
Nissan Pennzoil Nismo GTR
Nissan XANAVI Nismo GTR
Nissan MOTUL Pitwork Z
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GTR
Nissan Pennzoil Zexel GTR
Nissan Locktite Zexel GTR
Nissan Calsonic Skyline
Toyota Woodone Tom's Supra
Toyota ESSO Ultraflow Supra
Toyota Denso Sard Supra GT
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '01
Toyota Castrol Tom's Supra '00
Toyota au Cerumo Supra
Honda Takata Dome NSX
Honda Raybrig NSX
Honda Mobil 1 NSX
Honda Locktite mugen NSX
Honda Castrol Mugen NSX
Honda ARTA NSX
Japan GT Endurance Series
Gathers Drider Civic Type R race car
JTCC
1600CC
Mugen Motul Civic Si Race Car
One Make Racing
Lotus Motorsport Elise
Renault Clio Renault Sport Trophy V6 24V
Volkswagen Lupo GTI Cup Car
Volkswagen Lupo Cup Car
Volkswagen New Beetle Cup Car
Nissan mm-R Cup Car
D1GP
BLITZ ER34 D1 spec 2004
HKS GENKI HYPER SILVIA RS2
Mazda BP FALKEN RX-7
V8 Supercars
Ford Falcon XR8 Race Car
FIA Formula 1 Grand Prix
Polyphony Digital Formula Gran Turismo
Other
Gillet Vertigo***
Spoon Fit Race Car 2003
Spoon S2000 Race Car 2000

*Not real cars (A.K.A. a "PD Special")
**Not a real car, but based heavily on one in real life (Honda NSX LM '95, Jaguar XJ220 C TWR, Pagani Zonda GR)
***Car apparently doesn't exist in real life with in-game specs.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

How about a One-Make section for cars like the Clio race car, Motor Sport Elise, and the various ____ Cup cars?

 

[GT4_Rule]

Actually I'm telling you that those exact versions of them never existed. If we had "real" versions of them they would certainly go to correct classes but we don't, so they are where they are now.

I know that there was an NSX with that paint scheme, but it was a different model, so this one is a fantasy car, a new model painted like the old one.

- R -

Hmm I see. Thanks for the explanation. Though I'd like to really see those cars in real life, especially the RX-8 LM - that car is so sweet....

 

[Greycap]

That's a great list Toronado, I hope you don't mind if I copy all the new information to my list? You'll get credit, of course.

- R -

 

[Leonidae]

Oh and the S.S. Trueno should go under the Tuner category.

Actually S.S. Trueno isn't made by any tuner company. It's just a fantasy car invented by Shuichi Shigeno, the writer and artist of Initial D. Even though, it's quite closely the same as Dori Kings (Tsuchiya's, not that lame ass wannabe in F&F3!) TRD-developed hachiroku.

thus, I'd say it's another PD special.

 

[GM]

Very nice lists Toronado and Greycap 👍

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

This could be a good thread to sticky.

 

[Torana XU-1]

I thought the Nissan Calsonic Skyline GT-R (JGTC) ('93) was a Group A Touring Car, it certainly looks like one.

 

[Dark Elite]

I think the 2003 Courage Pescarolo is questionable.
It appears to have a 2003 LMP2-class engine, but the overall weight is that of a 2003 LMP1 car. Looking at those statistics only, technically speaking it could have entered either classification, as the length/width/height dimension restrictions were the same between P1 and P2 - but it would have been quite slow in P1 and have been heavily handicapped in P2.

I've seen the car itself (at least, the race number 17 of the two cars), and it was ran by Pescarolo themselves - which means LMP1 class. But is the engine data PD has given us correct? Where do we think it should be?

The 2004 Pescarolo is powered by a Judd V10, and is definitely LMP1 class - that engine data is correct. After the 2003 race, Peugeot announced that they would no longer supply engines, and Pescarolo Sport had to buy in V10 Judd engines. It is quite possible that the 2003 car was indeed powered by the engine GT4 tells us it had, but in a far higher state of tune than the V10 engines to make it competitive. It seems odd that a team would use such a small naturally-aspirated engine and then run it at a very high level to get the required power level, but perhaps that was all they could afford to do at the time - Pescarolo Sport's finance wasn't great back then. That car never finished highly at Le Mans.

So, actually, all I've done is prove that is really an LMP1-class car. I'll shut up now

DE

 

[iLex]

This could be a good thread to sticky.

Apparently it stickies itself

 

[GTveteran]

Good list guys. Heres a few suggestions for changes:

The Nissan R390 GT1 and Merc CLK GTR are GT1 class cars (90's).

The Gillet Vertigo shouldn't really be counted in GTS. Its just a random.

The BMW M3 GT-R is a GT/GT3 current GT2 class car.

 

[nissan tuner]

nice list you got going there Greycap but you forgot some tuner cars. here's a list of whats not there:

buick special '62
toyota SPRINTER TRUENA GT-APEX (AE86) Shuichi Shigeno Version '00
nissan STAGEA 260RS AutechVersion '98
SILEIGHTY '98
shelby Mustang GT 350R '65
shelby Cobra 427 '67
Callaway C12
lexus GS300 Vertex Edition (J) '00
tommy kaira ZZII
Tommy kaira ZZ-S
Mine's Lancer Evolution VI '00
Mine's Skyline GT-R N1 V-spec
Spoon S2000 '00
FPV F6 Typhoon

(why is there two spoon s2000 race cars?)

the dodge viper GTSR concept '00 should also be classified as a racing concept. the same exact chassis is used in the speed world challenge, 2008 ALMS and formula D in the past by samuel hubinette and tarzan yamada.

not sure what category the Lotus esprit sport 350 fits into but misc. would be good for now

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Esprit Sport 350 is a factory hi-po model.

 

[mafia_boy]

nice list you got going there Greycap but you forgot some tuner cars. here's a list of whats not there:

buick special '62
toyota SPRINTER TRUENA GT-APEX (AE86) Shuichi Shigeno Version '00
nissan STAGEA 260RS AutechVersion '98
SILEIGHTY '98
shelby Mustang GT 350R '65
shelby Cobra 427 '67
Callaway C12
lexus GS300 Vertex Edition (J) '00
tommy kaira ZZII
Tommy kaira ZZ-S
Mine's Lancer Evolution VI '00
Mine's Skyline GT-R N1 V-spec
Spoon S2000 '00
FPV F6 Typhoon

(why is there two spoon s2000 race cars?)

the dodge viper GTSR concept '00 should also be classified as a racing concept. the same exact chassis is used in the speed world challenge, 2008 ALMS and formula D in the past by samuel hubinette and tarzan yamada.

not sure what category the Lotus esprit sport 350 fits into but misc. would be good for now

The F6 Typhoon is actually a production model car (FPV is our performance arm of Ford Australia) and the Sileighty is a full production model aswell but in limited numbers, so they couldn't be classified as tuner cars. It's like Chrysler having the 300C and the SRT-8 or the WRX & the STi. Both production models, just one of them is a more powerful version.
The Vertex GS300 is just a bodykitted GS, nothing more. If you want to include that you may aswell include the B4 Blitzen to the lineup too.

 

[nissan tuner]

"FPV is our performance arm of Ford Australia" which means its a factory tuned car like the nismo skylines or TRD celicas.

the sileighty ISNT a full production model. nissan didn't sell it, kids heart did

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sileighty

http://www.kidsheart.co.jp/

and with the Vertex GS300, how isnt it a tuner car? a lipkit from vertex, spoiler and aftermarket rims qualifies it as one. i dont see how you could compare that to a B4 since that bodykit is from its own manufacture, subaru. just another model in the legacy lineup

 

[mafia_boy]

"FPV is our performance arm of Ford Australia" which means its a factory tuned car like the nismo skylines or TRD celicas.

I like how you only take part of the comment. It's JUST THE SAME as Subaru with the WRX and the WRX STi. STi stands for Subaru Technica International, which is surprise surprise, the PERFORMANCE ARM OF SUBARU!! Does that mean that EVERY STi should go in your list!?!? Of course not!! Think about it seriously.

The other two I can see what you're saying, but to be honest, if you're saying a bodykit + spoiler and rims makes up a 'tuner' car, then your standard of tuned is a lot lower than mine!! We have a term over here for that where nothing is done to the motor and everything to the body, you may have heard of it....it's called being a ricer.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

It's Ford Australia's SVT in effect... Surely the SVT Cobra R is not a tuner! Surely the Lightning is not a tuner!

Etc.

 

[Tornado]

buick special '62

That is a one-off show car.

toyota SPRINTER TRUENA GT-APEX (AE86) Shuichi Shigeno Version '00

That doesn't really exist.

nissan STAGEA 260RS AutechVersion '98

That is an engine/drivetrain option. Its is not the NiSMO model from GT2.

tommy kaira ZZII

That was never built, and was its own model anyways.

Tommy kaira ZZ-S

That was a separate model that just happened to use Nissan parts.

 

[Street Racer 77]

Paganie zonda lm race car is no fantasy car, thats why he is also in gtr2.

the spoon cars are tuners too.

the honda integra touring car is an btcc/etcc race car

 

[Greycap]

Added the Mine's models and the Spoon S2000 road model, removed the Spoon racing models from Tuners, they're now only in the Misc. section.

And the Integra & Zonda aren't going to move anywhere from where they are, they aren't the exact real life models so they're not going into real life classes. I'm thinking about removing the RUF's altogether, RUF is an independent manufacturer anyway so they're in fact normal production models.

 

[CyborgGT]

RUF is an independent manufacturer anyway so they're in fact normal production models.

Only in Germany; they're considered tuners everywhere else.

- Formula GT: obviously Formula One, even if it's a "fantasy car".
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI Rally Car ('99): wasn't Group A rally only up until '97? I believe this would be in the WRC class
- Nissan OPTION Stream Z ('04): races in the Silver State Classic Challenge
- Honda S800 RSC Race Car ('68): old GT1
- Chaparral 2D and GT40: I think the class was called "sports cars".
- Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car ('02): would have been in Dakar.
- Audi Auto Union V16 Type C Streamline '37: seems to be purpose-built for top speed, like for Bonneville or something.
- Other tuners: Shelby Cobra & GT350 Mustang, Callaway C12 (based on the C5 Corvette), Toyota 86 Shigeno (fake, but would definitely be a tuner).

 

[mafia_boy]

Only in Germany; they're considered tuners everywhere else.

- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI Rally Car ('99): wasn't Group A rally only up until '97? I believe this would be in the WRC class

WRCar's were introduced in '97 and run in conjunction with the Group A laws. However, the Evo's stuck to the Group A formula and still won the next 3 WRC championships with Tommi Makinen with the Evo4, Evo5, and Evo6....he would've won the 2000 championship too with the Evo6 if Ralliart hadn't introduced the Lancer WRC 1/2 way through that season which was that un-reliable he only got a couple of points through the second half of the season which cost him the title and it went to the Peugeot 206 of Marcus Gronholm.

That's why you have the Evo VI T.M.E., to celebrate Tommi's 4 world titles with the Evo from 1996-1999 (Evo's 3 through 6).

 

[Tornado]

Only in Germany; they're considered tuners everywhere else.

That's great, but they are legally their own manufacturers.

- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI Rally Car ('99): wasn't Group A rally only up until '97? I believe this would be in the WRC class

The last WRC car to use the old Group A homologation requirement was the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI.

- Nissan OPTION Stream Z ('04): races in the Silver State Classic Challenge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_State_Classic_Challenge
Still a tuner car regardless.

- Chaparral 2D and GT40: I think the class was called "sports cars".

They were "prototypes."

- Audi Auto Union V16 Type C Streamline '37: seems to be purpose-built for top speed, like for Bonneville or something.

It wasn't raced in anything, though. It was designed to screw around and break speed records.

 

[CyborgGT]

I recently re-gained interest in exacting the classes:

Corvette '63: SCCA Xp and A Production classes in 1963 (C Modified class in '64)
Ford GT40: Sport (aka Group 4)
Chaparral 2D: Prototype (aka Group 6 - competed in Le Mans '66, but also won 1000km Nurburgring that year)
BMW V12 LMR: LMP (became LMP900 in 2000)
Audi R8 & Pescarolo Courage: LMP900 (became LMP1 in '04)
Pescarolo Judd: LMP1
Gillet: G2 class in FIA GT Championship (unless Wikipedia made a typo and meant GT2, in which case nevermind. By the way, the FIA GT Championship is still considered Le Mans, right? Just another series that enters the 24 Hours? That's where the Viper and Lister come from as well.)
M3 GTR: specifically GT class of ALMS

And just to specify the DTM cars:
Group A (Meisterschaft; '84-'92): 190 E
Class 1 (Meisterschaft; '93-'96): Alfa, Calibra
Masters ('00-present): TT, A4, CLK, Astra

 

[Cap'n Jack]

By the way, the FIA GT Championship is still considered Le Mans, right?

Only events at the Circuit De La Sarthe or Bugatti Circuit are considered Le Mans, if you want to get technical. I do know what you mean, don't worry. Competitors of the FIA GT can gain invitations to the Le Mans 24 hour.

 

[mafia_boy]

Something I never noticed in the list just popped up when reading through it again.

THAT PARTICULAR Citroen Xsara Rally Car isn't actually a Group A WRC car. It's actually an F2 WRC model (Formula 2, FF only. ). The other successful example of this was the Peugeot 306 Maxi WRC as both cars stomped away on tarmac rallies due to less rule restrictions on the motors, so they got away with BTCC spec motors in their WRC cars producing 310-320hp without a turbo on those rallies, 10-20hp over what the restricted turbo 4WD WRC cars were producing. Corsica was the perfect example of witnessing this divide years ago (around 1998-1999).

 

[CyborgGT]

EDIT - nevermind, you're correct.

 

[BCS]

GreyCap, that list of classified cars is so good a car freak like me would love it!