[RACE] Formula 3500 International Series - Jammy21 takes the crown!Open

[nascarfan1400]

Who the hell runs this series I have signed up & haven't heard a word.

@rallymorten who has probably dropped dead at that last lap of race two! Haha

 

[jammy21]

Watching the replay you're not lagging for me.

Interesting series. 👍

What I wanted to know: apart from Nas, can anyone else confirm I was lagging?

 

[nascarfan1400]

Watching the replay you're not lagging for me.

Perhaps it would be because we are on opposite sides of the planet?

Great run at the end there btw

 

[GTracer98]

Perhaps it would be because we are on opposite sides of the planet?

Great run at the end there btw

I guess so. Well, I'll see what I can improve for the next race, hopefully then I'll be able to fight for a podium.

 

[nascarfan1400]

I'm a bit uneasy about the elevation change of Laguna with F3500's...

 

[Ettick]

There was a race today?

 

[Toshost]

There was a race today?

Seriously man?....

 

[nascarfan1400]

There was a race today?

Yes, the first round of two races was today

 

[jammy21]

You're lagging for me (and in the replay).

Perhaps it would be because we are on opposite sides of the planet?

Great run at the end there btw

 

[rallymorten]

Right, here goes then

@rallymorten The races themselves were fine for the most part, but the pre-race stuff was not managed very well at all. Drivers don't even have to drive down any portion of the track after exiting pit lane in Practice Mode as long as they are in the correct order.

Partly agree with that, but I'd like to add that it seemed like everyone was confusing everyone with that. I agree that it can be better, but only if everyone is absolutely sure on how things are supposed to work (not accusing anyone of anything here, it's more a general helping hand)

When one car gets pushed off track by another car and it causes that car damage, is that a Caution? I asked and got no answer which means "no" as an answer in that case. It should be a Caution. I noticed how you say two is a Caution, but there is no elaboration on if one car pushing another car off track would be. Personally, I would consider that two. Yet, there was no response when I asked in-race.

I would like to redirect your attention to the Massive pileups - Caution section of the OP, where I've underlined the important bit:

Massive pileups - Caution​

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Should a massive pileup happen at the start of the race, all drivers involved must use the ingame chat to type "c", meaning they request a caution. If two or more drivers do this, all drivers in the lobby must slow down and perform a pit stop to allow the damaged drivers to repair their car as well as ensuring everybody is equal in relation to tyres (tyre bug) Performing a pit stop is no longer mandatory.

During these cautions you are required to keep at least three car lengths between you and the car ahead. This way, you should be able to react to a driver slowing down for various reasons.

During the caution, you are not allowed to use the ingame chat. The only exception is the leading driver, who must use it to inform everyone else of when the race will go back to green, following a single-file restart.

The pace speed during the cautions is 50 mph / 80 kph.

The race restarts when the leader crosses the finish line after making aware of the restart by typing "restart" in the ingame chat.

By the way, the whole "no in-game chat under Caution" rule is ridiculous and many people broke it in Race 2. It would make since to say "no in-game chat under Green except for calling a Caution". The text is distracting under Green sometimes.

I intend to take action where necessary, although I didn't notice many situations outside of the failed caution.

Things rally should add to OP:

• What are "two cars for a Caution"? Is it two cars wrecking or contact between two cars causing damage and/or pushing one of the cars off of the track?
• Explain that leader paces the field in absence of SC, and with one present paces the field until catching the SC's waiting location in the event of a Caution.

1: Two cars requesting a caution. In the first instance, it's up to your judgment. This doesn't mean that your reasons for requesting a caution won't be investigated, though. Calling a caution because you ran wide on a corner, for example, will be penalised.
1.1: Tosh and I had a collision in race 2 that damaged my engine. Yet I considered it to not be a justified reason to call a caution. That was my judgment in that moment.
2: I figured that this was common sense among most established racers by now. Not to mention that I actually mentioned this in the OP:

Massive pileups - Caution​

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Should a massive pileup happen at the start of the race, all drivers involved must use the ingame chat to type "c", meaning they request a caution. If two or more drivers do this (1), all drivers in the lobby must slow down (2) and perform a pit stop to allow the damaged drivers to repair their car as well as ensuring everybody is equal in relation to tyres (tyre bug) Performing a pit stop is no longer mandatory.

During these cautions you are required to keep at least three car lengths between you and the car ahead. This way, you should be able to react to a driver slowing down for various reasons.

During the caution, you are not allowed to use the ingame chat. The only exception is the leading driver, who must use it to inform everyone else of when the race will go back to green, following a single-file restart.

The pace speed during the cautions is 50 mph / 80 kph. (2)

The race restarts when the leader crosses the finish line after making aware of the restart by typing "restart" in the ingame chat.

Also, rally, did you have to take it 3-wide into turn 1? The front row was still double file, sure, you made it, but it wasn't a good idea.

Seen in the clear light of the rear view mirror, it may have been a slightly stupid move by me. But please notice that I managed to out-accelerate the leading group and as of such had caught up to them by the time we reached the corner and still "gaining" on you. . Of course I'll investigate that and give myself a penalty if found necessary, but I think this is worth pointing out. Last, but not least, even though I did perhaps do something stupid, not only did it backfire at the corner itself, but I did my very best to try to stay clear of you guys before, during, and after the move.

This series has so much promise notyet so many things went wrong. Also, do you want to explain shortening both races by 2 laps each in an attempt to save a little over 6 minutes on a Friday night of all things? If you have a time crunch and the end of your Friday's then you should find a different time to host. A better solution if pressed for time would've been to line the field up on the frontstretch with hardly any driving needed to line up the field instead of driving almost the entire track, as well as shortening the break. (Although personally, I recommend keeping the break and not needing to be pressed for time in the first place.)

It's very simple, really. I don't necessarily have something scheduled for moments after the race would finish, but if there's an overload of chaos (that could be avoided by logic and/or reading the OP) prior to the race, shortening the races is my way of teaching you all a lesson; you either come prepared or I limit the experience. Besides, just because you and I doesn't have anything immediately after, someone else might have, and they have just as much right to race as we do.

I give you this criticism in hope that you'll improve things with this series.

A bit of constructive criticism never hurts, and I'll take your points into consideration 👍

 

[GTracer98]

You're lagging for me (and in the replay).

EDIT: Saw it's Nas you're referring to.

 

[nascarfan1400]

You're lagging for me (and in the replay).

Go figure...

 

[Ettick]

I thought we were starting this in like a month for some reason, I guess I'll know to be ready next time now.

 

[nascarfan1400]

I thought we were starting this in like a month for some reason, I guess I'll know to be ready next time now.

Lol that's ITCC

 

[rallymorten]

Who the hell runs this series I have signed up & haven't heard a word.

1: That person happened to be racing, if you had read the OP you'd have known that.
2: With that attitude, I can welcome you to the RACE Banned Log.

 

[nascarfan1400]

1: That person happened to be racing, if you had read the OP you'd have known that.
2: With that attitude, I can welcome you to the RACE Banned Log.

 

[Pichon617]

1: That person happened to be racing, if you had read the OP you'd have known that.
2: With that attitude, I can welcome you to the RACE Banned Log.

Np thanks Ahole

 

[nascarfan1400]

Np thanks Ahole

In all fairness, a look at the OP Race times would have saved you from looking like a fool.

 

[jammy21]

Nas is lagging for me. Driverman isn't. Clear on this now?

EDIT: Saw it's Nas you're referring to.

Go figure...

 

[Ettick]

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You aren't supposed to put cold water on a burn.

 

[nascarfan1400]

You aren't supposed to put cold water on a burn.

Off topic, but actually cold water can soothe the area burned until proper medical attention can be given 👍

On Topic

Nas is lagging for me. Driverman isn't. Clear on this now?

On a scale of 1-20, how bad is the lag?

 

[Ettick]

Off topic, but actually cold water can soothe the area burned until proper medical attention can be given 👍

On Topic

On a scale of 1-20, how bad is the lag?

Cold water can damage the skin if it's too cold though

 

[nascarfan1400]

Cold water can damage the skin if it's too cold though

Well not ice cold, no, but maybe 40 degrees Fahrenheit.

 

[Peelster1]

Partly agree with that, but I'd like to add that it seemed like everyone was confusing everyone with that. I agree that it can be better, but only if everyone is absolutely sure on how things are supposed to work (not accusing anyone of anything here, it's more a general helping hand)

Yup, you just need to make sure that your drivers know what's they're supposed to be doing. There was indeed why too much chatter pre-race.

I would like to redirect your attention to the Massive pileups - Caution section of the OP, where I've underlined the important bit:

1: Two cars requesting a caution. In the first instance, it's up to your judgment. This doesn't mean that your reasons for requesting a caution won't be investigated, though. Calling a caution because you ran wide on a corner, for example, will be penalised.

1.1: Tosh and I had a collision in race 2 that damaged my engine. Yet I considered it to not be a justified reason to call a caution. That was my judgment in that moment.
2: I figured that this was common sense among most established racers by now. Not to mention that I actually mentioned this in the OP:

So if one guy dumps another guy into a corner everyone can just keep driving and it's fine? Granted, the incident in this case, the driver self-penalized himself by leaving the race, I still think incidents such as that warrant a Caution. Of course if someone runs wide on a corner it should be obvious in the replay, and I would hope that nobody does this. So I do understand needing an initial and a confirmation, however that was clearly not what happened in Turn 1 of Lap 1 of Race 2. Common sense actually isn't that common sadly. Some of the most basic points sometimes have to be addressed for clarification. For example, when I ran in a NASCAR series (which has two lap qualifying) the question was asked "can I turn around and go backwards on track to get a better out-lap?" The answer should have obviously been "no", however the host allowed it as the racer pointed out it wasn't listed in the rules. (It was later added to the rules.) In racing, if it's not in the rules, then it's not a rule.

Seen in the clear light of the rear view mirror, it may have been a slightly stupid move by me. But please notice that I managed to out-accelerate the leading group and as of such had caught up to them by the time we reached the corner and still "gaining" on you. . Of course I'll investigate that and give myself a penalty if found necessary, but I think this is worth pointing out. Last, but not least, even though I did perhaps do something stupid, not only did it backfire at the corner itself, but I did my very best to try to stay clear of you guys before, during, and after the move.

You did fine saving it, but you outdrove the group because the front two cars behind you wrecked. I don't think it warrant's a penalty as you didn't cause an incident, but I would advise against something like that in the future. I honestly have no idea how you were able to make it through.

It's very simple, really. I don't necessarily have something scheduled for moments after the race would finish, but if there's an overload of chaos (that could be avoided by logic and/or reading the OP) prior to the race, shortening the races is my way of teaching you all a lesson; you either come prepared or I limit the experience. Besides, just because you and I doesn't have anything immediately after, someone else might have, and they have just as much right to race as we do.

I wasn't seeing anyone other then our Safety Car driver stating he had to be elsewhere. If you're looking to teach a lesson, that's not the way to do it. It just makes driver's disinterested. For a points series where all the races are supposed to be the same set distance, they all should be. They do have the right to race, but they also have the responsibility to make sure that they can race within the given time slot.

Thank you for very thoroughly going through my inquiries.

 

[nascarfan1400]

@Peelster1 and @rallymorten you both fare understandable points. But I can agree the OP is quite vague. It took me awhile to find out what I could and could not do conduct wise. Perhaps a refresh, and an organization of the OP is in order?

 

[rallymorten]

Yup, you just need to make sure that your drivers know what's they're supposed to be doing. There was indeed why too much chatter pre-race.

I fail to see how I can disagree with this point, so Iwon't even bother trying

So if one guy dumps another guy into a corner everyone can just keep driving and it's fine? Granted, the incident in this case, the driver self-penalized himself by leaving the race, I still think incidents such as that warrant a Caution. Of course if someone runs wide on a corner it should be obvious in the replay, and I would hope that nobody does this. So I do understand needing an initial and a confirmation, however that was clearly not what happened in Turn 1 of Lap 1 of Race 2. Common sense actually isn't that common sadly. Some of the most basic points sometimes have to be addressed for clarification. For example, when I ran in a NASCAR series (which has two lap qualifying) the question was asked "can I turn around and go backwards on track to get a better out-lap?" The answer should have obviously been "no", however the host allowed it as the racer pointed out it wasn't listed in the rules. (It was later added to the rules.) In racing, if it's not in the rules, then it's not a rule.

I'm not entirely sure which incident you're referring to?

I do see your point in the "if it's not in the OP, it's not a rule", and there might be a few more things that needs to be added.

You did fine saving it, but you outdrove the group because the front two cars behind you wrecked. I don't think it warrant's a penalty as you didn't cause an incident, but I would advise against something like that in the future. I honestly have no idea how you were able to make it through.

I have to say I'm unsure as to how my start was affected by those behind me crashing. At least on the replay of what turned out to be race 2, they seem to be doing just fine?

You do have a valid point in that it's not to be done again. The thing is, though, as I said, I got off to a better start and was able to catch up to the front row, being wheel-by-wheel with you as we enter the braking zone. I do think it was mostly luck and a litle bit of me running wide that nothing major happened in the first part of the corner.

I wasn't seeing anyone other then our Safety Car driver stating he had to be elsewhere. If you're looking to teach a lesson, that's not the way to do it. It just makes driver's disinterested. For a points series where all the races are supposed to be the same set distance, they all should be. They do have the right to race, but they also have the responsibility to make sure that they can race within the given time slot.

I'm in a bit of the same situation as in the first point. I can't seem to find a reason to strongly disagree with this one.

Running an online series isn't just about the host doing his job. It's just as much about everyone else being prepared and everything being easily understandable. I claim responsible for the latter half, sure, and I realise that I could've done something to change the outcome of tonight, but what's happened has happened, whether we like it or not. Besides, despite the chaos, all of this just makes us all that much smarter when we get to the next round.

Thank you for very thoroughly going through my inquiries.

You're absolutely welcome. I mean, what kind of a host would I be if I dismissed constructive criticism?

 

[GTP_Nail]

Who the hell runs this series I have signed up & haven't heard a word.

Hey 617 ....Well stop bitching and show up on time. LOL

I signed up on the fly and raced.

Now as to the races. Mandate mikes for all events and then enforce cold mike (actually switched off) for the
Race. With 7 of us there was no question of bandwidth. And if you get a newby like me who still does not understand the convoluted rules ( yes i read them) you can save 10 minutes of chatting by having one transmission. In GTP_WRS we use mikes even with full rooms because we enforce the cold mike rule. Here it will put an end to typing for a caution and It also allows for very efficient lapping of slowpokes like I was. Lightning gave me an excellent setup but I really did't want to drive the :censored:Ing GTFormula car again...it is still junk...but detuned it is fun to drive and it is full of potential both for rookies and aliens . All in all it was fun but you need some help running the show. I came because I saw the guys pulling out on you and thought you deserved better than that.

I am going to recommend the series to both SNAIL and WRS. I HAD FUN..except for the start of Race two. WTF HAPPENED IN TURN ONE. Perhaps it was part of getting DCd...but guys were flying all over the place Do you have a replay I really want to know what happened. Also it took two tries to find the room with the number...but typing it in takes too long and you WERE NOT listed under Monza. In both SNAIL AND WRS we use Friends only and it works very well...not without its problems but better than trying to clear cache, type using a g27 and then missing the frighin race by about a minute. When I typed goodbye when I left you to race...that is NOT what I really wanted to say 🤬.
I'll be back (if you'll have me.). Everyone was polite and overtaking was fine..but most of all the car IS driveable by one and all.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

@Nail--27, RACE organizers appreciate your recommendation, thank you.

@rallymorten... I wish there was some way to get better connection. RACE ITCC Supplementary thread contains tips regarding connections.

 

[GTP_Nail]

I thought we were starting this in like a month for some reason, I guess I'll know to be ready next time now.

Hey it was fun....worth the wait...it had the typical first race of the series EVER gremlins....but is worth doing...who knows we might gang up on them Uropeeans.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Hey it was fun....worth the wait...it had the typical first race of the series EVER gremlins....but is worth doing...who knows we might gang up on them Uropeeans.

@Ettick is a close friend of many RACE organizers. He's also weird.