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Hey man, don't beat yourself up. You just need to calm down a bit in the car, and let it come to you... You were making it do what you wanted... Sometimes it needs to do it's own thing.
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Any update on my Race 2 compensation?
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Race1: DC at the start - Mel I am sure I have explained that when I dc I need to restart everything, you know I will be back within 2 mins so maybe in future please hold the start? *cute puppy dog face*
Race 2: Spun out myself near the end, got away clean but was uncertain of the car so the first few laps were slow, allowing everyone to catch up and overtake. Probably could have and should have done the pole-win.
Race 3: Again spun out, but it was probably as much my fault as Dano's. I was forced out wide, dropped a wheel on the grass then couldn't hold it. Don't want to go and bring up the whole "drivers are too aggressive thing" because of it.
Race 4: Changed to Honda, then taken out
but @GTracer98 thank-you for letting me back in front, you have earned my respect:tup: (unlike many others who just carry on as if nothing happened). Good battles, @Dano20 I shouldn't have tried to force my way up the inside and I am sorry (I really wanted to win
). Lucky you saw me coming, you were the best driver today.
and yet again my D/C taken out last place streaks continue
@nascarfan1400 when you say "Lap times don't mean anything" :
The way pretty much every series balances the cars is by getting them to perform similar lap times. Having driven both the Honda and Renault in practice and races, I can definitely tell you the Renault is slightly faster. I think I may have got fastest lap in every race with it, as well as the pole position (hope we still get points for these??).
BUT...the Renault (with my tune) is much more twitchy, un-stable, and oversteery when you get on the curbs. So it's harder to drive consistently fast. I made mistakes every other lap driving it just on my own, where as with the Honda in that one race I hardly put a wheel wrong.
So maybe what you are suggesting is the Honda is the best race car? Well, maybe, but that depends on driving style. If I could drive the Clio consistently then I would sign up for it in a heart beat, but I just don't have that kind of skill level (maybe you do?), both on track or the ability to tune out the twitchiness without making it much slower.
Other things to remember:
The Renault has more power which makes it harder to pass/easier to overtake with on the straights
The Honda weighs more so its sluggish and the slowest on the straights
The Renault can turn sharper because it has better weight balance so you have more flexibility with your braking distances and what lines you can take.
Tuning a car can make a very big difference.
To me the only big advantage the Honda has over everything is it's stability. Because I crash like literally all the time, that's the most important thing to me (I clearly learned that all over again today), so hopefully a car that helps me to overcome my weakness will get the best results for me. But you can't say it's over powered when it is running the same if not slower lap times than everything else.
It's not like Dano won by miles, he had to either fight for his victories or just got a comfortable gap because those behind him were tripping over each other.
tl;dr The cars seem fine so far, Honda not OP
Hopefully see you all next week
Race 2: Spun out myself near the end, got away clean but was uncertain of the car so the first few laps were slow, allowing everyone to catch up and overtake. Probably could have and should have done the pole-win.
Race 3: Again spun out, but it was probably as much my fault as Dano's. I was forced out wide, dropped a wheel on the grass then couldn't hold it. Don't want to go and bring up the whole "drivers are too aggressive thing" because of it.
Race 4: Changed to Honda, then taken out
but @GTracer98 thank-you for letting me back in front, you have earned my respect:tup: (unlike many others who just carry on as if nothing happened). Good battles, @Dano20 I shouldn't have tried to force my way up the inside and I am sorry (I really wanted to win). Lucky you saw me coming, you were the best driver today.and yet again my D/C taken out last place streaks continue
@nascarfan1400 when you say "Lap times don't mean anything" :
The way pretty much every series balances the cars is by getting them to perform similar lap times. Having driven both the Honda and Renault in practice and races, I can definitely tell you the Renault is slightly faster. I think I may have got fastest lap in every race with it, as well as the pole position (hope we still get points for these??).
BUT...the Renault (with my tune) is much more twitchy, un-stable, and oversteery when you get on the curbs. So it's harder to drive consistently fast. I made mistakes every other lap driving it just on my own, where as with the Honda in that one race I hardly put a wheel wrong.
So maybe what you are suggesting is the Honda is the best race car? Well, maybe, but that depends on driving style. If I could drive the Clio consistently then I would sign up for it in a heart beat, but I just don't have that kind of skill level (maybe you do?), both on track or the ability to tune out the twitchiness without making it much slower.
Other things to remember:
The Renault has more power which makes it harder to pass/easier to overtake with on the straights
The Honda weighs more so its sluggish and the slowest on the straights
The Renault can turn sharper because it has better weight balance so you have more flexibility with your braking distances and what lines you can take.
Tuning a car can make a very big difference.
To me the only big advantage the Honda has over everything is it's stability. Because I crash like literally all the time, that's the most important thing to me (I clearly learned that all over again today), so hopefully a car that helps me to overcome my weakness will get the best results for me. But you can't say it's over powered when it is running the same if not slower lap times than everything else.
It's not like Dano won by miles, he had to either fight for his victories or just got a comfortable gap because those behind him were tripping over each other.
tl;dr The cars seem fine so far, Honda not OP
Hopefully see you all next week
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Well sure, but there's so many contradictions. Any race there was a Honda, said Honda(s) finished 1+ seconds over the next car. And they are not sluggish in the straights, both you and Dano took off like a rocket ship in race 4, I was drafting you both but you were gone... And Dano even had maximum ballast in 2 race and still took off.
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Two main things that effect this are:
1) Because its stable you can get the power down more easily out of a slow corner. It just falls the AH has that stupid tight chicane at the end, if you are 2-3 mph quicker through there you end up like 5-10mph quicker down the straight.
2) Gearbox tunes make a difference. I have recently learned how to tune gearboxes, so trust me on this it helps. I am sure Dano had his well dialled in also.
Also it is well known that slipstream strength 'real' is pants, different to the GT5 one. Maybe next week we could change it and see if it makes it easier to overtake, if that's what @ITCC_Andrew would like to achieve?
Anyway I can guarantee because I was testing the top speeds myself in practice, at the end of the s/f straight:
Renault: 143-148 mph
Honda: 142-145 mph
That's without slipstream. So it's definitely one of the above, or probably all of the above factors.
I also struggled to get alongside cars slipstreaming though, you only got like 3-5mph speed increase and by the time you started closing you were at the braking zone.
1+ seconds isn't a small enough win margin for you? I don't think he was ever 5+ clear.
1) Because its stable you can get the power down more easily out of a slow corner. It just falls the AH has that stupid tight chicane at the end, if you are 2-3 mph quicker through there you end up like 5-10mph quicker down the straight.
2) Gearbox tunes make a difference. I have recently learned how to tune gearboxes, so trust me on this it helps. I am sure Dano had his well dialled in also.
Also it is well known that slipstream strength 'real' is pants, different to the GT5 one. Maybe next week we could change it and see if it makes it easier to overtake, if that's what @ITCC_Andrew would like to achieve?
Anyway I can guarantee because I was testing the top speeds myself in practice, at the end of the s/f straight:
Renault: 143-148 mph
Honda: 142-145 mph
That's without slipstream. So it's definitely one of the above, or probably all of the above factors.
I also struggled to get alongside cars slipstreaming though, you only got like 3-5mph speed increase and by the time you started closing you were at the braking zone.
1+ seconds isn't a small enough win margin for you? I don't think he was ever 5+ clear.
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No... Because I had better runs off the last corner, gained on Dano, and he still just powered off. He powered off from everybody.
And those top speed tests are likely inaccurate unless they were tuned the same.
And those top speed tests are likely inaccurate unless they were tuned the same.
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Well I tuned the gearboxes myself on both of my cars, but obviously I don't know what setup Dano or you were using. To me the Renault was a good 3mph+ faster.
Anyway Nas if you can't be convinced why not just build a Honda, have a few laps around AH and see how it compares to your Clio times.
Anyway Nas if you can't be convinced why not just build a Honda, have a few laps around AH and see how it compares to your Clio times.
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Red Bull X challenge = insta-money!
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Then you have just been making claims based on what you have observed on one single track, without doing any testing for your own evidence to support those claims. I was assuming you had at least driven both cars, then you would have hopefully known first hand about what I was trying to describe.
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The Honda was.
And no, just because you set a record means that we will meet that standard. Your sub-alien.
And no, just because you set a record means that we will meet that standard. Your sub-alien.
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Is just me or is the Alfa plain slowwww
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Not terrible... Ciro placed well.
ITCC_Andrew
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@Turbo_snail, I never did send you that Alfa tune, did I?
@Siggers, Honda might be slightly OP, but it's also got two of the best drivers. I think that - the fastest drivers in the fastest cars - is the real "problem" nas sees.
@nascarfan1400, you're the one who watches My Little Pony and takes advice from it. Here's some simple but profound advice - look within before you look outward. If you're not maximizing the performance of the Clio, (although close, I don't think you are,) then you're not comparing the maximum performance from the Honda against the maximum of the Renault.
For me, I know that the Citroën is fast. I know that it's capable of winning... I just need to have the opportunity to prove it. The opportunity will probably come at a different track. I'm happy with my results at AH, because AH was the course I just needed to survive... I didn't need to win AH. Silverstone national, this coming weekend, will be a tough battle, but I might win it. Nürburgring GP/D, however, is where my Citroën's setup feels natural. It feels very good there. I can use all of the curbs, and get the power down nice and early.
Point is, maximize your performance in your car first. Compare your results with the results of the other Clio drivers. Unless you out-rank the other Clio drivers every race, look within. What could you improve?
Today, I saw you defending well. I saw you making clean, and well-thought passes. I'll admit, today was impressive on your end... But starting 6th in Race 1, well, it showed that your overall pace wasn't on par with the pace of @Siggers. Siggers got more pace - albeit less consistency - out of the Renault. You got more consistency, more passes, and better defensive driving skills, at the cost of the outright speed @Dano20 displayed so well.
I prided myself, today, with that 2nd place where I was only 1 second behind dano. I knew he was getting more out of that Honda than I could get out of the Citroën. But, I was surprising myself - lap after lap - with incredible lap times, even a few 1:24s! When you can run your Renault at 1:24s, like Siggers did to get pole, and hold the position, you will get a full-out and fair win. I have no doubts about the transformation you're undergoing as a driver. But, channel that energy into your driving - not your Seth'ing. Seth (season 1) was very fast, but he got too worked up too quickly. He eventually raged - very publicly - and got banned. Of course, he almost won Season 1, but he was too busy mucking about with sandbagging, and getting the specs changed to really master his Toyota... And the Mazdas took off.
And, lastly, @Zuel, here's the thread!
everything you need is in the OP.
@Siggers, Honda might be slightly OP, but it's also got two of the best drivers. I think that - the fastest drivers in the fastest cars - is the real "problem" nas sees.
@nascarfan1400, you're the one who watches My Little Pony and takes advice from it. Here's some simple but profound advice - look within before you look outward. If you're not maximizing the performance of the Clio, (although close, I don't think you are,) then you're not comparing the maximum performance from the Honda against the maximum of the Renault.
For me, I know that the Citroën is fast. I know that it's capable of winning... I just need to have the opportunity to prove it. The opportunity will probably come at a different track. I'm happy with my results at AH, because AH was the course I just needed to survive... I didn't need to win AH. Silverstone national, this coming weekend, will be a tough battle, but I might win it. Nürburgring GP/D, however, is where my Citroën's setup feels natural. It feels very good there. I can use all of the curbs, and get the power down nice and early.
Point is, maximize your performance in your car first. Compare your results with the results of the other Clio drivers. Unless you out-rank the other Clio drivers every race, look within. What could you improve?
Today, I saw you defending well. I saw you making clean, and well-thought passes. I'll admit, today was impressive on your end... But starting 6th in Race 1, well, it showed that your overall pace wasn't on par with the pace of @Siggers. Siggers got more pace - albeit less consistency - out of the Renault. You got more consistency, more passes, and better defensive driving skills, at the cost of the outright speed @Dano20 displayed so well.
I prided myself, today, with that 2nd place where I was only 1 second behind dano. I knew he was getting more out of that Honda than I could get out of the Citroën. But, I was surprising myself - lap after lap - with incredible lap times, even a few 1:24s! When you can run your Renault at 1:24s, like Siggers did to get pole, and hold the position, you will get a full-out and fair win. I have no doubts about the transformation you're undergoing as a driver. But, channel that energy into your driving - not your Seth'ing. Seth (season 1) was very fast, but he got too worked up too quickly. He eventually raged - very publicly - and got banned. Of course, he almost won Season 1, but he was too busy mucking about with sandbagging, and getting the specs changed to really master his Toyota... And the Mazdas took off.
And, lastly, @Zuel, here's the thread!
everything you need is in the OP.
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This of no offense to @Siggers - but he isn't sub alien. He's just like all of us. Again Andrew, maybe find some real aliens to race against. I know a couple I can send your way if you like.
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Now hold on, I say this because it's not just those two. Ettick Dominated testing, and in an unofficial room, I can't remember who, but there was another Honda, and sure enough they topped the leaderboards. And even Sig topped the SS boards by about a half second not even 5 min into practice. I'm not going to whine forever, but I'd seriously recommend looking at the Honda, as even with the ballast, Dano and Sig were pulling away.@Turbo_snail, I never did send you that Alfa tune, did I?
@Siggers, Honda might be slightly OP, but it's also got two of the best drivers. I think that - the fastest drivers in the fastest cars - is the real "problem" nas sees.
@nascarfan1400, you're the one who watches My Little Pony and takes advice from it. Here's some simple but profound advice - look within before you look outward. If you're not maximizing the performance of the Clio, (although close, I don't think you are,) then you're not comparing the maximum performance from the Honda against the maximum of the Renault.
For me, I know that the Citroën is fast. I know that it's capable of winning... I just need to have the opportunity to prove it. The opportunity will probably come at a different track. I'm happy with my results at AH, because AH was the course I just needed to survive... I didn't need to win AH. Silverstone national, this coming weekend, will be a tough battle, but I might win it. Nürburgring GP/D, however, is where my Citroën's setup feels natural. It feels very good there. I can use all of the curbs, and get the power down nice and early.
Point is, maximize your performance in your car first. Compare your results with the results of the other Clio drivers. Unless you out-rank the other Clio drivers every race, look within. What could you improve?
Today, I saw you defending well. I saw you making clean, and well-thought passes. I'll admit, today was impressive on your end... But starting 6th in Race 1, well, it showed that your overall pace wasn't on par with the pace of @Siggers. Siggers got more pace - albeit less consistency - out of the Renault. You got more consistency, more passes, and better defensive driving skills, at the cost of the outright speed @Dano20 displayed so well.
I prided myself, today, with that 2nd place where I was only 1 second behind dano. I knew he was getting more out of that Honda than I could get out of the Citroën. But, I was surprising myself - lap after lap - with incredible lap times, even a few 1:24s! When you can run your Renault at 1:24s, like Siggers did to get pole, and hold the position, you will get a full-out and fair win. I have no doubts about the transformation you're undergoing as a driver. But, channel that energy into your driving - not your Seth'ing. Seth (season 1) was very fast, but he got too worked up too quickly. He eventually raged - very publicly - and got banned. Of course, he almost won Season 1, but he was too busy mucking about with sandbagging, and getting the specs changed to really master his Toyota... And the Mazdas took off.
And, lastly, @Zuel, here's the thread!
ITCC_Andrew
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I didn't call him an alien, nas did.
@Akmuq: thanks
@nascarfan1400, I know, but I'm still stating it to you that there's room from improvement from all parties.
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If he's not alien, can I call him an abomination?
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If he's not alien, can I call him an abomination?
Preferably not.
Week 1 points:
Race 1:
dano: 25
Ciro: 18
MrM: 15
Ett: 12
nas: 10 (DNF)
Sig: 8 (D/C - DNF) (Renault)
CAM: DNS
Race 2:
dano: 25
nas: 18
MrM: 15
Ciro: 12 (avoidable contact)
Ett: 10
Sig: 8 (Renault)
CAM: DNS
Incident: Ciro bumps nas, nas loses two positions. Positions are switched.
Race 3:
dano: 25
MrM: 18
Ciro: 15
Sig: 12 (Renault)
nas: 10
CAM: 8 (warning: avoidable contact)
Ett: 6 (D/C - DNF)
Incident: In the braking zone to hairpin, CAM brakes exceedingly late. Noticing his mistake, he steers away, to attempt to avoid Ciro, but hits Ciro. CAM allows Ciro to retake the position, avoiding penalty. 👍 for the sportsmanship, 👎 for costing Ciro two positions - a warning should hopefully enforce the idea of braking a touch before your braking point.
Race 4:
dano: 25
Sig: 18 (Honda)
nas: 15
Ciro: 12
MrM: 10
CAM: 8
Ett: DNS
Total:
dano: 100
MrM: 58
Ciro: 57
nas: 53
Sig: 46
Ett: 28
CAM: 16
Manufacturer's:
Honda: 118
Renault: 89
Citroën: 86
Alfa: 57
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Yay! Two podiums.
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Okay, updating the D/C Procedure and DNS procedure...
D/C Procedure: If a driver is disconnected from the lobby, and is able to re-enter the lobby and type "D/C" in the chat box within 4 minutes of the start of the race, the race will be restarted.
DNS procedure is when you're in the race, but you can not get the car to move. You have to back out to XMB dashboard and re-enter the lobby within 5 minutes of the race start. Type "DNS" in the chat box before the 5 minutes are up, and the race will be restarted.
The typing the reason for your departure is to ensure that you have successfully connected once again - the race will not stop if you disconnect twice, or fail to connect for some other reason.
Error 697 or 705 code upon attempting to enter lobby:
You will be unable to connect to the lobby host. If an attempt is successful, you will likely have "invisible drivers" on track. Port forwarding is a simple and effective solution to this problem. The Series Director, ITCC_Andrew, has port-forwarded all of the required ports for GT6, and this issue should be resolved. However, if not, the first and foremost thing to resolve the issue is port-forwarding.
D/C Procedure: If a driver is disconnected from the lobby, and is able to re-enter the lobby and type "D/C" in the chat box within 4 minutes of the start of the race, the race will be restarted.
DNS procedure is when you're in the race, but you can not get the car to move. You have to back out to XMB dashboard and re-enter the lobby within 5 minutes of the race start. Type "DNS" in the chat box before the 5 minutes are up, and the race will be restarted.
The typing the reason for your departure is to ensure that you have successfully connected once again - the race will not stop if you disconnect twice, or fail to connect for some other reason.
Error 697 or 705 code upon attempting to enter lobby:
You will be unable to connect to the lobby host. If an attempt is successful, you will likely have "invisible drivers" on track. Port forwarding is a simple and effective solution to this problem. The Series Director, ITCC_Andrew, has port-forwarded all of the required ports for GT6, and this issue should be resolved. However, if not, the first and foremost thing to resolve the issue is port-forwarding.
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