RaceRoom: The Racing Experience General Discussion
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- BrandonW77
^ What kind of voodoo is this?? It's not released yet is it? Looks incredible. 
- 12,018
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- BrandonW77
I've been a good boy this year, I hope Santa rewards me! 
- 3,585
- Phoenix, AZ
- GTP_Snaeper
I think R3E has quite possibly the worst website I've ever been on.
Why on earth can't I just look at all the content available to me easily? I've been on a web page that's allowed me to do it but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get back to that page. Infuriating.
Why on earth can't I just look at all the content available to me easily? I've been on a web page that's allowed me to do it but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get back to that page. Infuriating.
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- BrandonW77
It's right here. Click on track or cars along the top menu, depending on what you want to shop for.
http://game.raceroom.com/store/
- 3,585
- Phoenix, AZ
- GTP_Snaeper
Yeah, I figured that out shortly after posting this, heh.
Still, their opening web page could use a bit more assistance.
On another note, what's it like playing R3E? What's the multiplayer like?
Would it be possible to run cars from both ADAC packs AND the generic GTR3 GT3 cars all together?
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- BrandonW77
Yeah, it did take a couple seconds to find the store.
It's a bit different at first, the free cars have old physics and feel good but just a bit off until you get the FFB a dialed in. There are a lot of FFB settings so it takes some testing but once you get it then it can feel quite good. Some cars feel fantastic.
I haven't done online yet but the AI is pretty good and can give some great battles. The sounds and visuals are incredible, I have AC and iRacing but R3E puts a bigger smile on my face and I keep spending more and more time with it. I have the DTM 2014, WTCC, and some vintage race cars and really enjoy racing all of them.
It's a bit different at first, the free cars have old physics and feel good but just a bit off until you get the FFB a dialed in. There are a lot of FFB settings so it takes some testing but once you get it then it can feel quite good. Some cars feel fantastic.
I haven't done online yet but the AI is pretty good and can give some great battles. The sounds and visuals are incredible, I have AC and iRacing but R3E puts a bigger smile on my face and I keep spending more and more time with it. I have the DTM 2014, WTCC, and some vintage race cars and really enjoy racing all of them.
- 3,957
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- skazz-race
- skazzracer
To give you an example: ADAC GT 2013 cars didn't have ABS, but the 2014 ones do, and are much easier to brake as a result.
Look up GT3 balance of performance. I bet if you could compare fastest laptimes between the GT3 cars used in European Le Mans (where they are deliberately made slower so that the GTE cars go a bit faster), Blancpain and the 24h of Nurburgring (where the GT3 cars are pretty derestricted) you would be rather surprised just how big a gap there is.
Multi class racing in R3E would be great, especially since it has various endurance classes in game for which multi class racing is normal....
Look up GT3 balance of performance. I bet if you could compare fastest laptimes between the GT3 cars used in European Le Mans (where they are deliberately made slower so that the GTE cars go a bit faster), Blancpain and the 24h of Nurburgring (where the GT3 cars are pretty derestricted) you would be rather surprised just how big a gap there is.
Multi class racing in R3E would be great, especially since it has various endurance classes in game for which multi class racing is normal....
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- BrandonW77
With they way they worded the issue about DTM 2014 being allowed in R3E temporarily, I suspect there might be licensing issues at play that would only allow the ADAC 2014 cars to be raced against themselves. It's obviously physically possible for them to allow it, but it may not be legally possible right now.
- 3,585
- Phoenix, AZ
- GTP_Snaeper
That is a perfectly reasonable and understandable answer.
But, it's unfortunately one that doesn't sell me on the game or the content.
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- BrandonW77
That's a perfectly reasonable and understandable answer as well. Although I'll admit I don't quite understand what the issue is. I'd prefer to be able to race all the cars together, but they do a good job of putting good groups together for us to race with and I've thoroughly enjoyed every race I've had with R3E's various incarnations. Yeah, it'd be nice to see a RUF on track when I'm racing my C6R, just for that added touch of realism, but that's not enough reason for me not to enjoy the game and it's symphony of sounds and visuals. To each his own though, and I can't wait to get home from work to have another epic WTCC battle. 
- 1,019
- Germantown WI
- FuzzyFassbender
- FuzzyFassbender
One of the things I like with R3E and what sets them apart is how they simulate IRL race series (ADAC GT Masters, WTCC, DTM), not just provide a bunch of cars to drive around.
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- GTP_Snaeper
My issue is that I'm not particularly concerned with simulating a real racing series.
I want to race all of the GT3 cars in RaceRoom against each other at the same time. It's that simple. They're GT3 cars, it makes sense for it to happen. If it's a licensing issue that doesn't allow it, I understand. I am then not interested in the game. I may give the upcoming vintage DTM pack a try, though.
But I want to race the Alpina, Audi, BMW, Chevrolet Camaro and Corvette, Ford Mustang and GT, Mercedes SLS, Mclaren MP4 and Nissan GT-R against each other at the same time. I understand if licensing issues prevents that, but whatever the case is, if that's not possible, I'm not interested in R3E as a GT3 sim.
My problem with recreating Real Life is that licensing, economy and politics prevent something from being even better than what it is. I want to race every current GT3 car against each other at the same time. Few games offer something even remotely close to that experience, and no single Series could provide it, either. Real Life is boring in that regard.
I want to race all of the GT3 cars in RaceRoom against each other at the same time. It's that simple. They're GT3 cars, it makes sense for it to happen. If it's a licensing issue that doesn't allow it, I understand. I am then not interested in the game. I may give the upcoming vintage DTM pack a try, though.
But I want to race the Alpina, Audi, BMW, Chevrolet Camaro and Corvette, Ford Mustang and GT, Mercedes SLS, Mclaren MP4 and Nissan GT-R against each other at the same time. I understand if licensing issues prevents that, but whatever the case is, if that's not possible, I'm not interested in R3E as a GT3 sim.
My problem with recreating Real Life is that licensing, economy and politics prevent something from being even better than what it is. I want to race every current GT3 car against each other at the same time. Few games offer something even remotely close to that experience, and no single Series could provide it, either. Real Life is boring in that regard.
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- skazzracer
It would only make sense to race a bunch of GT3 cars together if you also had the full tools to apply restrictors and weight penalties to balance performance. GT3 as a "class" doesn't have a fixed speed, it's hugely variable depending on the race series' choice of restrictions and weight penalties and success ballast. Heck, there are GTE (nominally GT2 spec) cars which run at the same speeds (laptimes within tenths of each other) in some series as GT3 cars in other series. Does that mean you want GTE in your field too?
Anyway, in a few months I assume there will be sufficient community mods to fill in the Assetto Corsa GT3 gaps. Then you can happily race AC by ticking every car you want in the race.... No restrictions there except lack of a full grid of cars.
There's already a payware mod for AC which adds cars looking an awful lot like the entire GTE grid, unfettered by licensing issues...
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- BrandonW77
So if it's not exactly 100% the way you specifically want it then you won't play it? I'm guessing you don't play any games then, since none will ever fit that criteria. Shame, there's some good ones out there right now.
I'd recommend against that, from what I understand it has ZERO GT3 cars in it and it mimics real-life racing.
Snarkiness aside, I understand your point, but I think that's not a very good reason to deprive yourself from enjoying a great game. I really want to race Stadium Super Trucks in a game, and not R3E nor iRacing nor AC have them, but I don't let that prevent me from enjoying what the do offer. To each his own though, I hope one day you can find that game that's perfectly tailored to your exact preferences.
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- 3,585
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- GTP_Snaeper
This really isn't a relevant topic in a world where a few buttons, clicks and some different numbers can balance every car. And yes, I'd love to test the mettle of GTE vs. GT3 in a balanced environment, something we rarely, if ever, seen in most racing series (Supercar Challenge, International GT Open etc.)
You really don't like my opinion on this matter do you?
And that's why I intent to continue to play Assetto Corsa for the foreseeable future. All of the GT3 cars they've added to their game can be played with each other, and Modders will be adding even more.
Given R3E's business model, it doesn't mean I won't be playing the game, I just wont be purchasing that content. I might get the 2013 ADAC GT class, though, given the variety. That's really only if there's a lot of interest from others here on gtplanet.
Yes, yes, har har. But there's not a load of other Group A content that I'll be missing to race alongside it. Though that Volvo Turbo will be missed.
I may not wait around for someone to make it...
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- FuzzyFassbender
- FuzzyFassbender
- 3,585
- Phoenix, AZ
- GTP_Snaeper
I feel like I've been condemned for asking a question here.
I asked if the GT3 cars could be raced together. It took several posts and several lines of text to get a definitive "no".
And then I feel I've been dogged ever since. I was not holding R3E against any other game, and I still am not.
I asked if the GT3 cars could be raced together. It took several posts and several lines of text to get a definitive "no".
And then I feel I've been dogged ever since. I was not holding R3E against any other game, and I still am not.
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- BrandonW77
Well, you did start off by complaining about how difficult it was to get to the store website, which took me all of about 5 seconds to find, and then basically phrased your following comments as "This game isn't exactly how I specifically want it to be, therefore I shun it" which comes off as a bit.....well, childish (no offense intended). But those kinds of comments will often illicit childish responses. Had you worded things differently you would have received less childish responses.
This game certainly isn't perfect and the FFB has some issues that require tinkering (but can't fully be tinkered away), but it has a lot to offer and has the potential to possibly be the best (or at least funnest) sim available. The sounds and visuals are intoxicatingly good and provide a level of excitement that I don't find in iRacing or AC, and personally I can't get enough of it (despite some odd FFB characteristics). The inclusion/recreation of real-world series with the real cars, real tracks, real formats and real rules is something a lot of sim fans desire (present company excluded) and from what I've seen no other sim even comes close to doing that as well as R3E does, and this alone makes up for most of its shortcomings.
My recommendation, if you're really interested in the DTM 92 pack then check it out. If you get it, you can then go to the R3E store and test drive all of the other cars to see if you like them as well. Some have old physics and feel a bit.....odd, but the WTCC, DTM and ADAC cars have new physics and feel a whole lot better. They're still not perfect but with some tinkering you can get them feeling pretty nice and can enjoy some great racing. And if you're not into racing online, R3E has some of the best AI available and racing them can be quite enjoyable.
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This game certainly isn't perfect and the FFB has some issues that require tinkering (but can't fully be tinkered away), but it has a lot to offer and has the potential to possibly be the best (or at least funnest) sim available. The sounds and visuals are intoxicatingly good and provide a level of excitement that I don't find in iRacing or AC, and personally I can't get enough of it (despite some odd FFB characteristics). The inclusion/recreation of real-world series with the real cars, real tracks, real formats and real rules is something a lot of sim fans desire (present company excluded) and from what I've seen no other sim even comes close to doing that as well as R3E does, and this alone makes up for most of its shortcomings.
My recommendation, if you're really interested in the DTM 92 pack then check it out. If you get it, you can then go to the R3E store and test drive all of the other cars to see if you like them as well. Some have old physics and feel a bit.....odd, but the WTCC, DTM and ADAC cars have new physics and feel a whole lot better. They're still not perfect but with some tinkering you can get them feeling pretty nice and can enjoy some great racing. And if you're not into racing online, R3E has some of the best AI available and racing them can be quite enjoyable.
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