Racing incident opinion

[kilesa4568]

You could barely get a cigarette paper between them by the time they got to the corner so you could argue the pass wasn't complete. I thought contact was likely at the corner but I genuinely think the other driver tried to avoid it. Just a small rush of blood and a tickle off line.

Risky however you look at it but the OP could try the same move tomorrow and get away with it.

 

[cleanLX]

...or maybe he was driving on DS4, and it is pretty hard to control car in those situations on a controller.

How's that change anything? If it is so, then he should well have known the outcome, and now it becomes intentional.

 

[cleanLX]

You could barely get a cigarette paper between them by the time they got to the corner so you could argue the pass wasn't complete. I thought contact was likely at the corner but I genuinely think the other driver tried to avoid it. Just a small rush of blood and a tickle off line.

Risky however you look at it but the OP could try the same move tomorrow and get away with it.

Car on the inside had no where near significant overlap (maybe a bumper cap?) and had just been overtaken meaning he was at a slower rate of pace and the car on outside was on preferred/racing line...
I'll not argue any more, it's my opinion.

If OP was the guy on the inside, we'd all be telling him he should have let up, and we'd be right.

 

[kilesa4568]

@cleanLX When I said "you could argue", I didn't mean it in the literal sense...

I saw you a full car length in front and on the optimum line while he's on the inside for a slower corner entry. Very little chance he'd get wheel to wheel from there without contact, especially on worn tires. Not malicious but it was a mistake on his part to try.

You've just agreed with my first reply.

My last reply just points out how risky it was taking the line while someone is still on the inside and who hadn't quite given up the fight. The OP asked if people would have done anything different and I would have taken a cut back instead.👍

Me argue? as if...

 

[TFLC_Dullman]

I think all is said about the incident....

BUT: I Love your Livery!!

 

[polizei]

When I'm racing I usually give up the position to the car ahead to avoid a race incident such as this. If I put myself in his shoes I know I can keep the inside line but I will make contact if you take a normal line through that corner. I would have lifted a bit and tried to stay in your draft and hope for a mistake in the future. But, it's a game, people are going to drive like so.

 

[lancia delta hf]

There pretty much always is enough room on the tarmac for 2 cars. That doesnt mean its a smart thing to go 2 wide though. For two cars to go trough that corner they both need to drop their speed drastically or it is gonna end in tears.

I agree, however in that instance there was plenty of room to m9ve over and see who gets a better advantage a few meters passed the bend rather than squeeze the other car out whilst simultaneously leaving the door open. At the end of the day OP could have saved him/herself whilst neither of them are particularly to blame.

 

[demeaning pie]

Me personally (and hindsight being 20/20) I would have stayed on his bumper until you hit the hard braking zone (90° left, can't remember the #). That would have allowed you to pass up the inside and if there was contact it wouldn't have affected you as much. Especially so if you were already reeling him in. As for the contact, the other driver took the line as if you were not there. More than likely they could not hold the inside line because they were carrying too much speed. IMO that is on them. Odds are had you not been that persons berm, they would have went off track. You put your car in an non-winning position.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm not saying go for every move and I'd argue the OP was past on that occasion, so the other car is the overtaker and should have more of a responsibility to avoid a crash. If we back out all time it encourages others to not accept they have been past and aggressively defend the inside every time, like the opponent in the op and then just throw it down the inside and use the other car to help keep on track if need be.

You've also got a split second to decide to corner (and maybe get the place or get knocked off) or to back out and maybe you'll get him another time and maybe you won't. The other guy had the entire straight to do that, knowing he was slow on the exit and contact was highly likely if he didn't lift and slot in behind.

"Can't not go for it, it's racing" sounds an awful lot like go for every move to me. The OP was past...barely, but didn't establish is track dominance by taking the inside. By remaining on the outside at entry he's signalling to the other driver that he's not sure he's clear and he's leaving the door open. You can't expect to enter a corner and leave a huge gap on the inside when someone is literally nose to your tail and not take it.

I didn't say back off every time, I said use your experience to decide whether a pass is prudent and adjust your strategy accordingly. As far as the opponent in the OP, here are the car positions a moment before impact and then at the exact moment of contact. The opponent in this case did everything he could to remain inside and was squeezed by the OP:

That curbing on the outside is well after the start of the corner. As you can see the door is wide open at that point and the opponent is right there, it's not like it's a huge divebomb.

This is the exact moment of impact. As you can see, the OP has moved across the track and squeezed his opponent right to the curb. There is literally zero margin for error now. One little slip, one little wiggle, just blowing on the curb is going to cause contact. Which is exactly what happens.

 

[ASH32]

It's a massive stretch to suggest me saying that he can't not go for it means to do that every time, rather than just meaning that particular overtake, which is all I thought we were discussing.

Also of course the op hasn't moved over, he was already on the racing line and in a perfect place to clear the corner at normal racing speed, moving over would be a block and likely still cause issues and end up bad for the OP, staying wide would mean not making that corner or going through at a slow speed and again not gain him anything.

Yes the OP could have avoided it by not passing at all and may/but likely not, have got passed before the next corner but he had taken the place (however slightly) was going faster and had the racing line, it shouldn't be him trying to avoid the contact (even if it may be the smarter thing to do against an opponent you don't know), the opponent could still have backed off at any time and not had the contact but likely thought it won't be me that goes off it there is contact, so I'll try to make the corner anyway, so his opponent has to be the person most at fault for that particular incident.

 

[kjeldsen]

Spring Cleaning

 

[vvise]

I can't stand people trying to pass me up the inside on that corner. The outside driver will lose every time unless the inside driver backs off or concedes it simply because there isn't a penalty for a gentle push like what happened to you.

You played a high risk pass and it didn't play out. Should it be a penalty for him? Probably. Without you there i doubt he would have left a car width. But you still lose the race and he wins.

 

[IAMDOODLEBUG]

I think all is said about the incident....

BUT: I Love your Livery!!

Haha cheers, I like to think it intimidates my opponent or at the very least forms a distraction! Going to rework the body colour and design soon, but keep the teeth

I must say I'm pleased that this thread has generated a good amount of interest and discussion, so cheers for the contributions!

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

As everybody else has said it's a racing incident but if I'm sitting in the white Porsche you haven't finished the move, I'm going for that gap down the inside every time.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Also of course the op hasn't moved over, he was already on the racing line and in a perfect place to clear the corner at normal racing speed, moving over would be a block and likely still cause issues and end up bad for the OP, staying wide would mean not making that corner or going through at a slow speed and again not gain him anything.

This is where racecraft comes in. It's not as simple as, "he was on the racing line". It's a dynamic situation. He was on the racing line someone would be on if they were driving alone or without anyone close by they need to defend against. When you have someone you just passed a couple of seconds ago, with their nose pretty much even with your rear bumper, every experienced racer knows if he doesn't deliberately back off and leave a gap, he's probably going for the gap. Moving over would be a defending which is perfectly legal in all forms of racing I'm aware of. One lane change to block is acceptable in all forms of racing I'm aware of. If you don't move over and defend you are inviting an attack, which is exactly what happened. If you don't think there's enough room to move over without having some other issue, then you don't have enough room and haven't made a successful pass.

Yes the OP could have avoided it by not passing at all and may/but likely not, have got passed before the next corner but he had taken the place (however slightly) was going faster and had the racing line, it shouldn't be him trying to avoid the contact (even if it may be the smarter thing to do against an opponent you don't know), the opponent could still have backed off at any time and not had the contact but likely thought it won't be me that goes off it there is contact, so I'll try to make the corner anyway, so his opponent has to be the person most at fault for that particular incident.

Again, racecraft. Let's look at what happens if he held the position. He's now on the outside of Westfield. If his opponent doesn't get out of shape on the curbing on the inside and fling him off, now he's on the outside through Dingle Dell and Dingle Dell corner. The odds of success and making it to Stirling unscathed are between slim and none and slim has left town.

The OP didn't defend, didn't assume the dominant inside lane. He left a gap to a car that was right on his bumper. Why would his opponent give up the preferred racing line in that corner when it's right there for the taking? If you lay claim to some real estate and don't squat on it, you're going to lose it. The opponent went for the gap that the OP left, hugged the inside of the track right against the curb, and the OP moved over into him making contact.