Racing with DFP...times!

[Mr Deap]

We've had this discussion in WRS a few times. Bascially it comes down to what you feel best with. One extremely fast bloke uses either DS2 or DFP, which ever he belives is the best to use for that combo. Another extremely quick guy only uses DFP, and another only uses DS2.

I personally only use DFP and my DFP skills are much better than my DS2 skills now.

Edit



I grabbed a 2003 Honda S2000, gave it an oil change wacked on N2's and drove a few laps of tskubar with DFP.

1'06.661 (compared to your 1'07.9x) Still left a few tenths.

So what does that prove?

That's explain the time, lol! My time was made in Arcade Mode. I didn't do oil change.

 

[Gabkicks]

oil change is going to drop 1 whole second off your lap time?

 

[Mr Deap]

oil change is going to drop 1 whole second off your lap time?

try it

 

[un_peacekeeper]

on the S2000, on Tsubaka...no.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Ok

S2000, 0% weight, 0% power on N2's at tskubar?

Will edit my post later with a time...

 

[Kay-tek]

the controller allow you to make impossible movement with the wheel.

I'm assuming you mean going from lock to lock in a shorter time than with the DFP.

That might be true, but I don't think that really matters when going for a fast time.

The fastest laps are achieved by driving the correct racing line and using smooth inputs as far as steering, throttle and braking goes.
(in proper racing-sims anyways )

I don't really see how the movement you described is relevant to achieving fast laptimes.

 

[damianb]

i just got a steering wheel. and im trying to get the times iwas getting with my controller. and im getting seconds slower than my previous times. with GT4. F1 05. and other racing games. just gotta get used to it

 

[P_Thomas22]

DFP is just alot more fun, I dont know if i am any faster with the gamepad but I just like the visual reaction that you get from the DFP. When you go over a crest at a funny angle and you swear that your stomach did the ole upside down just becuase of that split second that the wheel has no tension on it then jerks you back to one side....its great! In real life you can feel the road through the wheel and the DFP lets you do that.

 

[socomplayer2]

i just pulled a 1'13.xx with a '76 VW Golf GTi on SEOUL CENTRAL fully tuned

 

[un_peacekeeper]

I'm assuming you mean going from lock to lock in a shorter time than with the DFP.

That might be true, but I don't think that really matters when going for a fast time.

The fastest laps are achieved by driving the correct racing line and using smooth inputs as far as steering, throttle and braking goes.
(in proper racing-sims anyways )

I don't really see how the movement you described is relevant to achieving fast laptimes.

That's very very true. Smoothness > lock-to-lock jerk

 

[Clemi_uk]

Hey guys i'm quite new here, joined WRS & just got my DFP delivered today so i thought l'd check out the posts about stick vs. paddle & various
custom cockpits. Then i got to this thread.... "Racing with DFP...times!"

Saw the post 'bout S2000 on Tsukuba with COM/COM rubber and had to have a go so here's my (not so professional) opinion...

As i mentioned DFP is new to me cause up to now (since first GT) my good 'ol DS and later DS2 have been great to say the least, but after joining WRS
it became clear that it just wasn't fast enough. £51 later #taddah#

Ran the above mentioned combo in arcade mode with all power & weight left unchanged and DS2 clocked a 1'07.504 after +- 6 laps (relatively neat lap).

Then came the wheel and I (to my own surprise) manage to beat my time by clocking a 1'07.487 and that on a rather scruffy but clean lap!

With that said, results will always vary from person to person but me, I'm sticking to my brand new wheel 👍

 

[Mr. Apex]

I'm assuming you mean going from lock to lock in a shorter time than with the DFP.

That might be true, but I don't think that really matters when going for a fast time.

The fastest laps are achieved by driving the correct racing line and using smooth inputs as far as steering, throttle and braking goes.
(in proper racing-sims anyways )

I don't really see how the movement you described is relevant to achieving fast laptimes.

I agree with everything you said, Kay-tek, except for one thing: DS2 ain't even fast going from lock to lock.
Yes, you can move the joystick fast, but these movements are not being conducted proportionally
to the car's wheels in GT4. Try this: Start a new race, turn the wheels from lock to lock (while
standing still) a couple times, and watch the replay. Sloooow. Guess they
did that for more realism (because no one could turn a steering wheel so fast IRL), which kinda makes sense ...
even though I hated it at first. All of a sudden the DS2 felt so disconnected!

Not that this matters too much, but: The quickest way going from lock to lock in GT4 is (IMHO)
DFP in 200° mode with reduced force feedback.

 

[Mr Deap]

I agree with everything you said, Kay-tek, except for one thing: DS2 ain't even fast going from lock to lock.
Yes, you can move the joystick fast, but these movements are not being conducted proportionally
to the car's wheels in GT4. Try this: Start a new race, turn the wheels from lock to lock (while
standing still) a couple times, and watch the replay. Sloooow. Guess they
did that for more realism (because no one could turn a steering wheel so fast), which kinda makes sense ...
even though I hated it first. All of a sudden the DS2 felt so disconnected!

Not that this matters too much, but: The quickest way going from lock to lock in GT4 is (IMHO)
DFP in 200° mode with reduced force feedback.

You guys are owning me in Tsukuba.

EDIT: The real Driving Simulator...

 

[Gabkicks]

yeah dont even bother comparing gt4 to real life because you'll end up frustrating yourself and disliking the game

 

[Kay-tek]

I agree with everything you said, Kay-tek, except for one thing: DS2 ain't even fast going from lock to lock.
Yes, you can move the joystick fast, but these movements are not being conducted proportionally to the car's wheels in GT4.

I never used the DS2 so I wouldn't know that.

Interesting fact though 👍

 

[Mr Deap]

yeah dont even bother comparing gt4 to real life because you'll end up frustrating yourself and disliking the game

💡

 

[AdamW]

Not that this matters too much, but: The quickest way going from lock to lock in GT4 is (IMHO)
DFP in 200° mode with reduced force feedback.

Isn't that, er, basically the same as a regular Driving Force only twice as expensive?

 

[Mr. Apex]

Isn't that, er, basically the same as a regular Driving Force only twice as expensive?

Guess you could say so except for the fact that the pedal potentiometers don't fall apart after 1 month, huh...

 

[AdamW]

apex: well, mine have lasted two months so far...score!

 

[Mr. Apex]

apex: well, mine have lasted two months so far...score!

Well, let's hope they'll hold up. Maybe they fixed that problem in the meantime?
If it wasn't for these pedal problems, the wheel would be quite o.k.
I used to love it back in the GTConcept days... until the pedal problems started, that is...

 

[AdamW]

well, I've read the problem is caused when the pedals move around at full travel; my pedals *do* do this, so I dunno if the problem is fixed. I'm just being as careful as I can not to move them . I brake with my left foot, which probably helps.

 

[Mr. Apex]

well, I've read the problem is caused when the pedals move around at full travel; my pedals *do* do this, so I dunno if the problem is fixed. I'm just being as careful as I can not to move them . I brake with my left foot, which probably helps.

Uh-huh? Interesting...
Well, I always brake with my left foot in GT4, since there's no clutch pedal and therefore no toe-heel action. So maybe that's good for the DFP as well?
Well, only time will tell I guess.