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The Lamborghini Miura's engine is 3.08 times larger than the largest engine ever offered for the original Mini, however, both car's names begin with M and end in a vowel.
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BMW stands for Bayerische Motoren Werke.
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The BMW 7-Series is larger than the 1-Series.
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and I think I'm going to stop posting random facts now and just read what others post. I shamefully don't know enough about cars yet to continue.
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Research!! Lots to learn on the internet =P
Ford's experimental team build 3, 289W based SOHC engines. Only one of them exists today, the one below in original form. It didn't make much more power than a regular 289 Hi-Po and too much would need to be changed to make it worthwhile so it was axed.
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Audis were built not only in Germany but also in Japan for just over 8 years between October 1989 to January 1998. The first Audis built at the Audi Motor Assembly K.K. plant in Tokyo were the 80, 90, 100, and V8 models, while the last were Audi A8s and A4s.
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However the difference is the Mustang was a replacement/downsizing of the '71-'73 cars, while the Bronco II was sold alongside the fullsize Bronco as a competitor to the S10 Blazer and other compact SUVs.
That's due to the factory traction bar attached to the axle.
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Well I probably wouldn't know that, since none of them are sold here (or they just started, as there was a Car & Driver First Drive Review in the Google results but no other evidence of USDM sale). All I know is, it's some kind of mini-Golf minivan and I have a hard time believing that that could be much fun. Especially with a 3-cylinder engine.
The only decent WCOTY there is the 3-series, and that I'm not sure about.
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I can think of a few examples where that isn't the case.
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Do go on.
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Not just in cars but some motorsports as well. Drag racing for example is huge with automatics. Most autos that are used can take high amounts of power stock over a manual. For example, T5 manuals are good until about 300-350 rwhp. A C6 auto trans can take up to 600+ with no modification, yet a T5 costs considerably more to A. Purchase and B. Beef up. C6s an other like powerglides are readily available everywhere for dirt cheap. That isn't to say that some manuals can't take it though. That is simply not the case.
Also, offroad, an auto will improve your drivability. No need to think a out what gear you need to be in for something etc. unless you need super low hearing for mudding, an auto will be fine. A manual valve body can mimic a manual without the need to press a clutch pedal which is another reason they are popular in drag racing.
Then you have to take into consideration the people who hate shifting and just want to go without the hassle. Shifting can be fun but it can also get annoying especially on long trips or when you live in an area with a lot of stop and go.
Yes manuals are great but there were some bad ones. Some automatics are great and there are bad ones as well.
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I've noticed the tendancy to use automatics in drag racing as well, and it somewhat annoys me. That's probably due to playing too much Need for Speed though. In any case, you can't deny the use of manual transmission adds an additional skill element and makes the whole thing more of a driver's battle.
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That is true. I can't deny that.
People like autos for drag racing simply because it is very difficult if not impossible to outshift them. A benefit to installing a manual valve body if it didnt come with one is you can let your rpms ride out like a manual without it shifting on you. Then you can shift it up or down on a single drive column without a clutch allowing the best possible shift points, and no letting off the throttle interference to slow you down. They may be power robbers but aftermarket can take care of that. Hence the popularity.
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Except for most of them, of course.
The 3 series was global (I say was - that was the E92 and it has been replaced by the F30 - also sold in the US), the Lexus LS460 was and still is, the VW Golf was and still is, the Mazda 2 was and still is and if you missed the Nissan Leaf you've been under a non-Gran Turismo-playing rock of some kind.
Only the Polo and up! are not currently sold in the USA.
Which is amusingly irrelevant in any case. World Car of the Year is voted for by a jury of 48 journalists, eleven of whom are based in the USA. You can see them here - and not one of them works for Eco Car Monthly, Green Vegan Electric Car Express or AGoodCarIsLikeAGameOfTetris.net.
So this "opinion" morphs from "I probably wouldn't know that, since none of them are sold here" to "I probably wouldn't know that, because of wilful ignorance".
Then all you know is not a lot.
Actually it's nothing, but who's counting.
Go try one. Take it for a test drive and hurl it down some twisty roads, then try...
Oh wait, that's right. You can only drive it in your head. And since we've established just in this post (never mind the rest of your GTP posting history) that you lack any kind of meaningful knowledge, driving it in your head is not a fruitful exercise.
So. Your opinion is founded on drivel that you've made up through assumption on the basis of prejudice without any kind of actual information. We're supposed to assign any kind of value to it... why?
I don't remember reading your test drive report. What did you find particularly decent about it?
Turns out that 48 experts in the field in 22 countries on 6 continents say that there's 8 decent WCOTY in there - and 16 decent runners up. Since those experts have established their credentials just from being on the WCOTY jury, I'll accept their opinion as meaningful.
Yours is based on no expertise and no experience of any of those cars mentioned. Or in fact of just about any car. And with the excuse that "none of them are sold here" (though you still give your opinion on them) which is, at best, wrong through utter ignorance.
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I was talking specifically about the Up and its variants. I know many of the others are available here, for better or for worse depending on what they are.
You got me there. If they're selling them in the US, I haven't seen much evidence of it. Maybe next time I'm in Anchorage I'll swing by Morrison Auto Group and see if they have any MT models in. As for getting a test drive... yeah good luck! I'm not constitutionally constructed to pretend I can afford a brand new car when I actually can't, and the rust-stricken heap I currently drive would probably give my low financial status away anyway.
Then I'd have to drop in at a very specific time to try to avoid heavy traffic, and then somehow convince the salesman there's a good reason I'm taking their car miles out of town to find a twisty non-residential road (I doubt they think "some guy on the internet thinks this car is fun to drive and I'm trying to prove him wrong" is a valid reason for wasting their time on a test drive).
I guess don't then. Maybe for you, a car doesn't have to feel quick off the line, or have instant, brutal throttle response, to be fun. Maybe the Up does those things, who knows.
Mostly hearsay. Everyone raves about Bimmers - their sound, their handling, and so forth. Plus, it strikes a decent balance between "big boaty luxury sedan designed to isolate its occupants from the road" and "I4/FWD".
That's the other thing. A few cool cars made it very close, but didn't quite hit the big time, and even the cool ones have some interesting stigma associated with them.
I guess you're right. A lot of those cars are ones I wouldn't bother to consider anyway, because they just don't seem like they would fit what I'm after. If I can afford a VW Up or Mazda 2, I can afford something much faster and much less embarassing via Criagslist or eBay, and that's probably the route I would take.
I would like to be able to drive a wider variety of cars, but barring a MegaMillions win, there don't appear to be very many good options in that area. You're either beholden to the manufacturers for press samples, in which case you can't be too honest or you risk not getting any more of them, or you work for Consumer Reports.
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People who've actually driven it.
And you'd know... because?
It's not about cool. It's about good. People who've actually driven the cars involved determined that of the cars eligible (models from that year with at minimum sales in 5 countries on 2 continents) the ones that were the best on offer were the best on offer. It wasn't some fantasy paper-racing exercise which featured estimations of intangible factors.
Or you ship up to a garage and ask for a test drive. If they won't give you one - or demand a credit check beforehand - go to another. Dealers in the UK have long since learned not to turn away potential sales based on how the customer looks and what they've driven to the dealership, because they might have £200k in cash on them. The existence of the national lottery helped.
In the meantime, stop passing out absolutes on things you have no clue about. You can say a car doesn't appeal to you, that the paper stats don't seem that fast, that the interior looks a bit drab, that the external design is meh - but when you say that [x] car is crap, not decent, not fun or suchlike, you'd better have first hand experience.
If you don't, not only are your thoughts irrelevant, you just look like some opinionated, idiotic tosspot on the internet.
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You don't have a 🤬 clue about the 3 Series at all.
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I have to agree with McLaren cause what are you on about?!?!
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Wow.
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