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When you say grip issue, you mean like way you are gripping the gun, it's hitting like a slide stop?

I just have to be aware of where my strong hand thumb is in relation to the slide release. I just need to shift it ever so slightly to the left on top of my weak hand to ensure it is not putting any pressure on the slide release.

It's got unique proper mag release, too.

FTFY :D

I much prefer the magazine release on the PPQ. It requires me to take my finger off of the trigger to operate. I also do not have to alter the grip on the pistol with my strong hand to drop a magazine like I do with most push button magazine releases.
 
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Ah, I forgot you got one few months ago. If I bought a 9mm today, it would most likely be that. If not, Glock 26. Is it OK to call it adorable? It's the most adorable, baby puppy like 9mm. :embarrassed:

Brett: "Proper" huh? I was thinking something different. j/k :P Glad to hear it's been reliable for you though. 👍
 
Grow a pair.

Glock 29.

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10mm Auto. Three fingers on the grip. It's not real shooting if your wrist bones are still intact.
 
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Thanks for the input guys. I'm going to go to a local firearms store this weekend and see what is involved with renting a few. The store also offers some pretty extensive firearm classes starting with the basics, then to the CCW classes, the to an advanced CCW class, taught by former police instructors. I'll be signing up for all of them for sure and the intro class teaches you everything from proper stance to maintenance of a pistol, which will be a good refresher.

I'm thinking it might be better to get my CCW before buying a gun since it makes the buying process way easier in Michigan.
 
David got two week waiting, for some of you, license/CCW helps, or are required. I'm feeling pretty lucky to be a Oregonian in that department(not even an American Citizen!). :crazy: Good luck Joey!
I'd do it with a shoulder stock.
I wanted one for my Glock 17, to make it look like G18. Turns out it's a Class III upgrade. I'm now also gonna sell my 33 round magazine I had for it, factory Glock. They are going for $100, used. I'm gonna see if I can get close to that on local classifieds. :P

10mm Auto. Three fingers on the grip. It's not real shooting if your wrist bones are still intact.
That should be Class III, just because. :lol:
 
One of my coworker was supposed to have bought a concealable pistol for his GF, earlier in the week. Although knowing this couple, it's really ill-advised decision for him to buy her a gun that could ultimately end his life. :lol: Anywho, he goes to this well known gun store that was closed for couple of weeks, due to Federal inspection(can't be good, but they are very large shop). First day it reopened, he said that there was a line of people around the building, he didn't even bother going in. Yesterday, he got a sweet parking spot & everything, but once he walked inside, his exact words: "... it was New York Stock Exchange or something." :lol: Shoppers everywhere, and he said he could barely get to the counter check out the prices!

P.S. It's probably a combination of a threat of tighter gun control + increased awareness in self-defense. There are a lot of evils & crazies in this country, and that's the truth.
 
When I was looking at .308 Bushmaster, ORC 308 were going for about that, too. That was then. :lol: My MOE .308(also Bushmaster), I got it at the lowest price I could find, $1170. On Gunbroker.com, which is the largest gun auction site that I know of, I think one just went for $2300-ish, I think. :eek: I so want to cash in on the action, but once I sell it, most likely, I'd be screwed.

How much were the ammo cans? They've been going up in prices lately. I think my very first ammo can was like $3.99, most of the ones I have are $8~$10, and the last ones were $12. :D

P.S. I have my Glock high-cap magazine on gunauction.com? Started at .01 cent late Friday night. I paid $32 for this 9mm/33 rounder, new? It's $36 now with 8 days left. :D Jedi, you should buy one, it'll fit your Gen 3 G19!
 
Oops. :lol:
The smallest cans like I bought were $11 a piece. The
Bushmaster stuff I saw was for 5.56/.223... The price of .308 stuff was even higher. Everything was like that.
I thought maybe cans were cheaper back east!

On Bushmaster, I did realize that you were talking about the 5.56. That ORC .308 were similarly priced, at least at that time. Their .308 were only like $200~$300 more than the 5.56.

I hope you get your rifle soon! All the firearm associated people & business are experiencing volume, delays & backorder of epic proportion though. And after they are caught up, they may have to take a pay cut, maybe even lose their job. Really sucks to be going through what they are going through right now. :guilty:
 
You're not alone. With the AWB coming up most of the panic buying has been people who were always "ehhh - maybe" towards the idea of buying a semi-auto rifle feeling as though their decision has been made for them.

That's exactly the spot I'm in. I was eventually going to get an AR, but the AWB just made the decision.

The big question is this: What do you want to do with this rifle and how much are you willing to spend? After you answer that it will be easier to recommend different guns, barrel lengths, gas systems, furniture, etc. For 90% of shooters, a Colt is more than good enough.

This will be mostly a range and plinking gun, though it would double as a home defense.

In terms of price, this is a little harder. At pre-AWB scare prices, I would have no problem spending $1000+ on a quality AR. But with prices doubling or tripling, I don't know if I can afford something that is now this expensive.

Here are some other good manufacturers. They'll cost more than a Colt will, but have their own advantages.

Daniel Defense
Bravo Company Manufacturing
Lewis Machine and Tool

What are some of their advantages?

Also, have you heard of Aero Precision lower receivers? How are their quality and what do you think about them? They seem to be pretty reasonably priced.

*AR Lower Receivers*

You mentioned that the lower receiver doesn't see a lot of stress, and that it's almost always done right? I assume that means that I shouldn't have to strictly limit it to the good brands you mentioned above?


You picked the worst time to buy. Good luck and I'll be happy to help with any questions. I could go on about this for days. Bring back ideas so we can be sure you're not going to be screwed.

I know it's the worse time to buy, but if an AWB isn't coming up, I wouldn't be in the market right now. I'm keeping an eye out on any good deals that pop up on ArmsList.

However, thank you so much for your help and education, I really appreciate it! :cheers:


I decided not to get into technical details like how the bolt should be Magnetic Particle Inspected, made of Carpenter 158 steel, and use a black extractor insert. If you buy the right brands you don't have to worry about this.

Please do go into the technical details if you want. I'm an engineer, and I like to understand the technical and the engineering behind a product. At the very least, other people in the future can reference this later down the road.



I quite liked my friends S&W M&P that I shot. Just another one to consider.

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Range Report: Wilson Combat CQB Compact

I'm done...finished...ruined. My other pistols are absolute garbage and can't hit the broad side of a barn even if I was shooting inside it. It's THAT much of a difference...once you get used to it.

I began by shooting dollar bills at silhouettes; old Corbon, Hornady, and Hydrashock. No hiccups but this gun did take a while to get used to. First, it's smaller and narrower than any of my HK's and weighs a good deal more. Additionally, as you can see in the pic I posted a few pages ago, it has a fiber optic front sight and something Wilson calls a "Battle Sight" in the rear. Those I still haven't gotten comfortable with.

I was shooting low & left at first but had good groupings. Seems my left hand was doing something weird and I adjusted my grip; BOOM. I started to dump mags just to see what happens...it was basically 1 big ratty hole. Instead of focusing on the front sight, like everyone says you should, I focused on the target. With my new grip/stance/whatever, follow-ups were a joke. Wow...my HKs can't hose something like that...not even close.

So I pulled out my fav HK; the Compact Tactical (.45ACP). I've always taken to this gun like a duck to a pond for some weird reason. Good balance, nice ergonomics, and soft shooting. The immediate difference I noticed is target acquisition; I'm used to "normal" 3-dot sights as that's what I've pretty much shot for the last 20 years (started shooting quite young). Recoil on the HK was pillow soft but a little more flippy. I have a muzzle brake to help with that but it doesn't work as advertised. Realistically, it's just something else to clean and doesn't do squat.

Accuracy wise; it's not even close.

While the Wilson beats you up a bit more with +P ammo, everything else about it is butter smooth. I still like the HK CT, just not as much as the Wilson.

I also brought my fullsize HK Tactical (.45ACP); what a POS. I have 4 hi-cap mags and it has a scary assault threaded barrel, might be selling this soon. The best way to describe this gun is like driving a Ferrari then stepping into an M5. Sure, the M5 is quick and performs well...it's just your expectations of what "performance" means has changed after driving the Ferrari.

The fullsize HK was a bit unwieldy. After shooting 200 or so rounds out of the Wilson, then shooting the compact, then the Wilson, and going to the fullsize; I couldn't hit anything. There were holes all over the target nowhere near were I was aiming. Double-spring'd HKs tend to have more muzzle flip. Part of this, I'm sure, is the match trigger...never liked it.

Plot thickens: my bro came along with his hot-rodded Kimber. After he shot my Wilson and saw for himself how much better his groupings were, he was pissed. Jerk kept shooting my target, poorly, and is considering upgrading to a custom gun. It's hard to describe the difference between his and my 1911, you really have to feel the gun do its thing to understand. The big holes in the target? Self explanatory. If you're on the fence between a top-tier production gun and a custom, spend the extra $$$ and go custom. Even with some work done to it, and a full-sized barrel, the Kimber is 2nd...and finished a lap down.

In a nutshell; the Wilson CQB Compact was worth every $. I probably will not buy another HK or polymer gun...not anytime soon. Would I buy another Wilson? Yes. When? Give you 3 guesses on what I'll be using my tax return for.

Gawd this is a good gun. I was giddy the whole ride home
 
Damn, dude. I can't say I'm surprised, since Wilson Combat's like the top 1911 that I know of, though I've never shot one.

I absolutely love how my Kimber Custom Target II shoots, but even without having shot another 1911, you get the impression there's gotta be better quality ones out there. Plus mine's high mileage.

"Smaller & narrower" describes 1911 perfectly. Small in hands never felt better. :P Mine has revolver type sights, adjustable, and I absolutely love it. If I could turn that into night sights somehow, I wouldn't want anything else.

Great to hear that you loved your new gun!
 
Got out yesterday and with my buddy and shot his Springfield 1911 and Walther P99
This was his first time trying the P99 out and it wasn't bad had more recoil than expected probably because its so light. Can't say i liked the trigger the draw felt a bit to long for my liking.
And the 1911 failed the recock the hammer twice while cycling :confused: but that was out of many rounds and actually 3 diffrent kinds.

I was keeping my eye out for M1 Garands... only saw one vendor who had two of them. Wanted $1400 for one and $1250 for the other.

I came across one at a gun show for just $800 something didn't look it over long but it most likely was'nt in great condition.
 
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Damn it, Bruther! I've been convincing myself that a Custom 1911 isn't for me for about a year. Now I need to spend ludicrous amounts of money to get a high end 1911. Great to hear you're liking yours.

That's exactly the spot I'm in. I was eventually going to get an AR, but the AWB just made the decision.

This will be mostly a range and plinking gun, though it would double as a home defense.

Okay. 16" or 14.5" it is.

14.5" is the M4, 16" is the minimum length to be NFA compliant. If you have less than 16" of barrel then you must get the register the weapon as a Short Barreled Rifle for $200 and a paperwork wait if your state allows it. The exception is "permanently" attaching a muzzle device that extends your barrel length to 16" or more. Both barrels use the same gas systems.

It's generally recommended that you run 16" for a general purpose rifle. 1.5" of extra metal isn't much compared to the 14.5 and the extra length of the 18 and 20 inch barrels aren't worth much more bullet velocity. Unless you want an M16 clone, are gearing up for 3-Gun, or are very serious about benchrest shooting, stick with the carbines.

In terms of price, this is a little harder. At pre-AWB scare prices, I would have no problem spending $1000+ on a quality AR. But with prices doubling or tripling, I don't know if I can afford something that is now this expensive.

Ignore anyone who tries to gouge prices. They suck. Many people are selling AR's for the same price that they were before the craziness.

Search the prices on Rainier Arms, DSG Arms, and G&R Tactical. I'm sure they're out of stock, but they'll show you the ideal price. Don't buy from a shop that up-charges too much from any of these.

What are some of their advantages?

DD: They make all of their own parts in house. Excellent rails.

BCM: They make a great mid-length. Low recoil, great base gun.

LMT: Built like a tank.

All of them are more expensive than the Colt, but offer considerable advantages. Many rifles come with $300 of parts, so if you were planning to upgrade you would be getting a good deal.

Also, have you heard of Aero Precision lower receivers? How are their quality and what do you think about them? They seem to be pretty reasonably priced.

You mentioned that the lower receiver doesn't see a lot of stress, and that it's almost always done right? I assume that means that I shouldn't have to strictly limit it to the good brands you mentioned above?

Yes. The lower receiver itself and the lower receiver parts are hard to get wrong. It's perfectly fine to use a lower receiver or use a lower receiver parts from any of the brands I mentioned in the "would not buy" section such as RRA. There simply isn't much to go wrong.

Aero is good to go. Probably the most well respected at that price category.

You can buy a stripped lower receiver and then assemble the rest of the lower with parts. It will probably take you a couple hours. The parts come together pretty easily.

It is common to build the lower then buy a completed upper to learn a bit about the rifle and save some money. I built both receivers so I could get the parts I wanted and because it was fun.

If you're considering building the whole gun and want to know how it compares performance and price-wise to factory guns, here's my tip... You can build a better rifle. You can build a rifle for less. You cannot build a better rifle for less.

I think it would be a good idea to take advantage of a deal on an Aero lower for now. You can assemble the lower with parts and then when all of this craziness dies down, look for a completed upper from a good manufacturer.

I know it's the worse time to buy, but if an AWB isn't coming up, I wouldn't be in the market right now. I'm keeping an eye out on any good deals that pop up on ArmsList.

You're looking to buy used? Okay, chances are you're going to find a gun that someone has made changes to. Here's a quick list of upgrades that are good, and upgrades that aren't so good.

Good:
BCM Gunfighter Charging Handle - Very common. This charging handle is made of steel instead of aluminum and features an improved latch design. It feels much better to use and you won't break it if you torque your latch the wrong way.

Magpul, Troy, Tangodown, VLTOR Furniture - Things like grips, butt stocks, and hand guards. There are dozens of other companies that build quality stuff, but the most common are the ones I listed. They make the gun a bit more ergonomic and snazzy looking.

PMAGs - Or any magazine with an anti-tilt follower. Most AR malfunctions are due to worn out or crappy magazine. Often times you won't know if the follower is anti-tilt in an aluminum mag. Almost all polymer magazines include anti-tilt followers.

Aimpoint, EoTech, Leupold, Trijicon, Vortex Optics - Quality optics, nuff said.

Bad:

Tapco furniture - It's just plastic junk. Luckily most of it is pretty cheap and quality replacements are reasonably priced and easy to find.

No-Name Optics - Nothing is worse than a bad optic. Fakes of good brands also exist. Something to look out for when deals are too good to be true.

Piston AR's - Do you want a nose heavier, more expensive, harsher recoiling gun with proprietary parts? Then get one of these. If not, ignore. Only use if you plan to run two of the following: Suppressors, Short Barrels, Full Auto.

Nickel Boron (NiB) coated internals - Wonder coating that was supposed to make AR's run without lube. Turns out this treatment is basically a waste of money.

Grip-pod - Bad at being a vertical fore grip, worse at being a bipod. Expensive and thus adds a lot to the price too.

Color filled engravings - Do it for me. It's a gun, not Barbie's mansion. Just no. The only exception is safe-fire selector markings.

There are many more good and bad upgrades. I picked these because they tend to be common from what I've seen. You can always post a picture or search other forums for feedback on a certain product. Try to stay away from thefiringline or thehighroad. m4carbine.net is my preferred place.

Please do go into the technical details if you want. I'm an engineer, and I like to understand the technical and the engineering behind a product. At the very least, other people in the future can reference this later down the road.

Okay. Next time I get a chance I'll sit down and write a short technical guide. The stuff above should be enough to help you when looking for a purchase.
 
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Your posts should be stickied, Zenith. :lol: Maybe I'll collect them and add links to the front page or something.
 
Damn it, Bruther! I've been convincing myself that a Custom 1911 isn't for me for about a year. Now I need to spend ludicrous amounts of money to get a high end 1911. Great to hear you're liking yours.


This is a pic of 2 mag dumps. It was 7-8 yards and I pulled the trigger as fast as I could and changed the mag as fast as I could. Figure <10s and it was all said and done.


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No way could I do that with my other guns.

Did it become a little harder to convince yourself a production gun is "good enough"? I'm still amazed...I've never been able to do this before.


RE: LMT

I have a MRP Defender and it is a little nose heavy. Wonderfully made and w/a 1pt sling, it'll win most beauty contests. The one thing I don't really care for is the trigger, it's kinda grainy & heavy. Once the AWB frenzy dies down and you can actually buy parts, I think I'll try out a Timney trigger.

I don't have optics, the only place I have to shoot that's kinda local is an indoor 75yd range. I'm farsighted and have trouble focusing on things too close to my face, so I'm not ready to plunk down a hefty chunk of change for something that'll make me cross-eyed.

Oh, it's a normal DI gun. A mix of Rotella 5w-40 synthetic and a bit of Marvel Mystery Oil slathered up on the bits that get dirty works beautifully. Keeps the carbon nice and soft and everything just needs a wipe. Have a snake for bore duty.
 
Two new toys found their way into the household today. A slightly used Sig Sauer P226 9mm and a Bonds Arms .357 Cowboy Defender. Oh yes, and the wifey laid away a Browning 16ga. ;)

In and out of the gun shop in under 1 hour.

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Nice Sig! 👍 Cool pistols, but I had never heard of 16 Gauges before. Just 10, 12 & 20. :dopey:
 
So, guys, whaddaya say about the PPQ vs. the M&P9 for a lefty shooter? I think I'm gonna get myself a birthday present in a few months. Hopefully things calm down by then. Anyway, I think it comes down to button vs. lever for the mag release. I have to see if I can go handle them somehow. I'm wondering if the PPQ trigger is really as good as they say.
 
So, guys, whaddaya say about the PPQ vs. the M&P9 for a lefty shooter? I think I'm gonna get myself a birthday present in a few months. Hopefully things calm down by then. Anyway, I think it comes down to button vs. lever for the mag release. I have to see if I can go handle them somehow. I'm wondering if the PPQ trigger is really as good as they say.

Call around, see who have them. At least you can handle them & dry fire 'em. Gun show might be a good option, too. It gets crowded these days, but you can just see over other people. :D
 
I wish I could get one of those 10/22s with the built-in suppressor. Particularly this super-illegal paperwork-nightmare of a gun:



:lol: What goes into buying something suppressed like that though? Just a lot of paperwork and a lot of waiting? I never understood that process.
 
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