Real Guns

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In this hellhole we've had 525 murders and over 2,600 shootings.
But you don't hear about those, because the media can't sensationalize and make millions off of it.

And, it would also point out how pointless it is to simply take away all of the legal guns.

Someone on another board summed it up pretty well (I think I've mentioned this before): "I carry a pistol because a policeman is too heavy."
 
I can't help, but to think how dangerous the (certain)media & Obama is using the public shooting as a tool to disarm law respecting people like us.

These anti-gun folks, many of them I guess live in nice neighborhoods, because they act as though crimes are something we see on TV, not in real life. They also confuse SHTF with the end of the world. Stuff like large riots & natural disasters could potentially bring a SHTF scenario(Hurricane Katrina anyone?).

If the Government could enforce effective gun ban, that's one thing(I know, I know, second amendment). The fact is that there is no way in hell they can.
 
I find it frustrating how people like us will vote for people's rights to birth control, gay marriage, and other personal freedoms, but the people who benefit from those rights don't vote for our rights.

Voting on principle kinda sucks.
 
This country is nothing like Oz, the UK, or Europe...that's a good thing.

I fail to see how that is really relevant. If you are trying to solve a problem such as this, you examine every avenue that exists in great depth. Saying that Canada is the country most like the U.S and so should be focused on is a very blinkered approach.

As much as I support the idea of fighting against tyranny and the 2nd Amendment I don't think using it as the main reason to have guns will gain as much support as hunting or sport shooting would. In fact, I imagine it sounds a little paranoid to most non-gun owners.
 
I fail to see how that is really relevant. If you are trying to solve a problem such as this, you examine every avenue that exists in great depth. Saying that Canada is the country most like the U.S and so should be focused on is a very blinkered approach.

This problem is solved; look at where the great majority of gun violence occurs and notice their draconian gun laws. Now look at what happens in an area which relaxes gun laws, crime goes down. This is counter-intuitive for most people but the facts are facts. The sad fact is that gun control has nothing to do with crime control; it's about disarming the citizenry & a voting bloc that doesn't support the statist agenda.

As much as I support the idea of fighting against tyranny and the 2nd Amendment I don't think using it as the main reason to have guns will gain as much support as hunting or sport shooting would. In fact, I imagine it sounds a little paranoid to most non-gun owners.

Paranoid or not paranoid; fighting against tyrannical government is why the 2nd Amendment was written in the first place. The right to bear arms does not mean every American has to buy a gun and carry it on their hip, it means that government cannot lawfully force people to disarm. This is law. You may not like it, coastal northern California may not like it, New York, Chicago, and Washington DC may not like...but it's still law and a basic human right protected in our Constitution. If anything, the founding fathers of this country knew damn well future politicians would hate it.

Hunting or sport has nothing to do with anything. It's a red herring to justify the outright ban on weapons that politicians think look scary, magazines that have large capacities, and a way to register all firearms in hopes to phase them out over the next couple generations. These looks, features, and calibers will have no effect on crime; the last weapons ban didn't anyway.

So if the ban only targeted cosmetic features, bullet capacities, and did not affect crime rates at all, what is the logical explanation for beginning to disarm the populace? History tells us one thing but many "enlightened" individuals think it cannot happen here.

Further, if our 2nd Amendment is trampled upon b/c it doesn't have support, what other constitutional rights will be next? Our politicians are never happy when it comes to control; the air can always be a little cleaner, the water can always be a little clearer, the roads can always be a little safer, appliances can always be a little more effect, etc...it never ends. Without the constraints of the constitution, our government has no limits. That, my friend, is a very-very bad thing. Sounds good on paper...terrible consequences in practice.
 
He does have a point. Most people haven't really thought through the importance of the Bill of Rights, especially not 2A. I think it's better to use logic and the examples of shootings and crime in strict gun control nations before getting into overthrowing corrupt governments. People are more likely to listen when they realize that the facts point towards concealed carry and private ownership of firearms.

Don't let people talk about how the UK and OZ reduced gun violence, look at all violent crime. Remind them that criminals have and always will obtain tools to commit crime.

Get rid of the notion that guns are tools designed for the sole purpose to kill. My guns have never killed anything. Am I misusing them? Of course not. Guns are a tool that hurls a projectile with great speed.

Talk about prohibition and current drug use. How does anyone expect gun control to be any better? Especially when there are so many guns and parts in legal and illegal circulation.

But you know what? We have an opinions forum for this. I come here to get away from the politics and enjoy my hobby.

I'm looking for an optic for my AR. 16" general purpose rifle. Most of my shooting is within 100 yards, but I do some bench rest shooting from time to time. I'm not even set on magnified vs un-magnified. The rifle has been to two carbine courses, both times I was reminded of the importance of durability and back up irons when other people's optics went down.

I've looked around and I'm liking the Trijicon ACOG TA33 with a horseshoe-dot reticle. Only 12oz., battery-free illumination, 3X magnification. Seems plenty durable. Pretty expensive, but my LEO friend can get one <$900.

Other people who shoot the gun voice support for a Leopold 3-9X. I don't think we have the same priorities :lol: They want to print the tightest groups, I want to print tight groups quickly.

Late response at BruthSup: I'd contend that the .223/5.56 is plenty capable for humans at short to medium (~500m) range. The are reports of insufficient performance, yet many more of one shot drops at several hundred meters. This is often down to bullet selection. M855 and M193 seem to be the culprits of reports of over penetration. Mk262 OTM (Open Tip Match) and Mk316 have really stepped up the terminal ballistics. This isn't to say the first two are bad rounds, just not as good as the new stuff.

I am biased. I'm a 5.56 and 9mm kind of guy. I prefer being able to quickly put multiple rounds into vital areas. Still, I don't for a second doubt that there are superior rounds on the market, but I'd rather spend that money on training.

No round is a one shot stop. Not 9mm, not .45, not 5.56, not .308, not .50. Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.
 
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But what if you are going self-defense on a big bear! You tell me now!

:lol:

I hear you guys on a hypocritical tendency of the left. Not saying that the "right" doesn't behave that way(honestly not sure), but with the left, it's so blatantly clear how they value freedom, political correctness on everything they agree with, but not on something they don't see eye-to-eye. Second Amendment? Oh, it's outdated in our opinion, so it must be! 👎 They'll compare gun rights to women not being able to vote, slavery, but not how it assisted in ending the slavery, or empowered the Americans to gain independence from tyrannical rule. As usual, never look at the overall picture, just focus on everything negative, ignore the good, or the rights of the others you don't agree with. They should just come out and say that they want out with the free country, in with the socialism. Let the Government decide the course, they are good at everything else! Until the Presidency goes to the Republicans. :dopey:

Got five boxes of Tulammo .308 at Walmart today. Still $8.97 a box(love you Walmart). However, 5.56 & 7.62(AK) has been out, ever since around when the gun control rumor started & high cap magazines started disappearing. I haven't seen the cheap Federal .45 ACP value pack for even longer.

A kid who helped me today said that they actually got some AK rounds today(again, Tula), but it was all gone. :crazy:
 
I heard that Dick's stopped selling "assault weapons" like the AR-15. Maybe that's why they stopped selling the ammo.
 
Yeah, when we heard that, not that we liked Dick's in the first place, but at work, they got on our s-list. You know, not the "super" list, but the other s-list.

I just got done stocking my .308's, and I got 610 rounds, thanks to the cheap Russian stuff. 490 are Tulammo & Wolf, but while Tula's performed flawlessly, guy who went halfsy with me on the Wolf says that very first one he attempted to shoot was a dud. I'll see how mine shoot. If at all. :lol:
 
Yeah, Dick's kinda sucks. They just sell overpriced apparel, balls (every Dick's gotta have balls, right?) and fishing stuff. The gun selection here is like 60% shotguns. Just mossberg and remington everywhere, since I guess nobody there would want to drop more than a couple hundred on a boomstick. They have rifles too, but I never bothered to look at them in detail to see what they were.
 
Gun control in oz took firearms from the honest and increased the value of the illegal trade. The restrictions flowed on to pump action and bolt action etc..
So I would agree you don't want to use oz as a model. But how many uses are there for automatic or semi automatic 7.62mm etc? We once used SKS etc for feral pigs but they really were not necessary. Difficult decisions to be made.. Just my ten cents worth.
 
In their defense, they are bombarded with a scale of business they've never encountered before. I totally blame this on the Democratic Party. People are panicking, causing shortages, and frustrating people all over the country. And after all that's done, if the Democrats get their way, United States of America will be another step closer to socialism, and many people will lose jobs, or will feel the effect from those people losing jobs, also the business slowing down. Oh, well. It's not like Obama cared about job growth anyway, especially the kind with wages that could support families. 👎

Congrats on finding some 5.56/.223 ammo! :D My coworker says that only .223 he could find was on cheaperthandirt.com, and it was $1,000 for 1,000 rounds. :scared: I think he bought like 500 rounds before it hit the fan, so he's enjoying all this. We were just talking about maybe selling our rifles(Bushmaster .308 & Colt AR15), cashing in on the boom. Of course, the downside is that we may never be able to afford those types of rifles again! :ouch:
 
Cheaper Than Dirt and Dick's Sporting Goods screwed us gun owners over when we became a target. I have never and will never be giving them any of my business.

I will also not become a customer of Paypal.
 
ammoman still sold for reasonable prices, but unfortunately they had to shut down the website since they're 7 days behind on handling all the orders. They usually have pretty good prices and occasionally have incredible deals on milsurp, wolf, and ammo cans by the pallet.

It was a lot better before Obama took office, of course.
 
I can't believe I used to like the man. :dunce:
Cheaper Than Dirt and Dick's Sporting Goods screwed us gun owners over when we became a target. I have never and will never be giving them any of my business.

I will also not become a customer of Paypal.
I know people who share similar opinion of PayPal. I admit, I frequently use their service, and find them handy. It's been sometime ago, but I have been annoyed by their policy or two before. It's been so long though, I can't even remember what I was upset about.

Dick's I couldn't care less, but what's the deal with Cheaper than dirt? I've never bought from them, but they have cool mailers & gun rights & survival stuff email newsletters? I thought the only thing they are guilty of is their name, which is a total lie!
Bulkammo.com has packages of 1000 rounds of 5.56 for around $750. Dunno how reputable any of these online ammo sites are though.
Best Walmart in the area(as far as ammunition go) finally put a purchase limit of 1,000 rounds. I've heard about Walmart ammo purchase limit before, but this is the first one I remember seeing around here(I could be wrong). You can just tell people are starting to hoard .223, 7.62x39 & 9mm's. Probably .45ACP's, too. I haven't seen them in awhile, but I already stocked up on what I need months ago. *pats myself on the back* lol
 
Their Tulammo AK & .223 are $4.97 a box. If they had it.
Thankfully I own call of duty so I can shoot realistic firearms anytime I want. :rolleyes:

I can't afford this "real" crap after all...
You can probably trade in your truck for the M21. They are probably about the same price. :D

Call of duty guns are so unrealistic it hurts my brain whenever I see footage of someone playing it in youtube.
And with my crap internet connection speed, first couple of bullets fired are seen on the screen, but they disappear into thin air. :P
 
I was in the US Army so I have fired
M2 HB 5.0 Cal
M240B
M249
M16A2 and A4
M4
MK19

Also I have fired for fun
(*ones I own)
AKM
SKS*
Mosin Nagant M91/30, M44, M38 and T53 *
1911 .45*
Nagant Pistol M1895*
Mossberg 500 12GA*
M1 Carbine
 
Dick's I couldn't care less, but what's the deal with Cheaper than dirt? I've never bought from them, but they have cool mailers & gun rights & survival stuff email newsletters? I thought the only thing they are guilty of is their name, which is a total lie!

Price gouging. USGI mags were going for like $100.

 
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OK, point taken, Z-Man. :lol:
Also I have fired for fun
(*ones I own)
AKM
SKS*
Mosin Nagant M91/30, M44, M38 and T53 *
1911 .45*
Nagant Pistol M1895*
Mossberg 500 12GA*
M1 Carbine
Lot of Russian guns!

I paid about $5000 for the truck so I'd say you're about right. :scared:
So disappointed in you. Couldn't you have just bought a mountain bike & a AK or something? :lol:
 
I'm thinking about getting an AR.

Yeah, I'm worried about a possible AWB, so I'm thinking of getting one before any hits. I've done some reading on them, but with so many manufacturers, models and variations, it's hard to know exactly.

So can you guys school me on ARs? What are some good manufacturers? Who makes ones that are a good bang for the buck? What should I be looking for when purchasing an AR?

No pun intended at all in this post.

In their defense, they are bombarded with a scale of business they've never encountered before. I totally blame this on the Democratic Party. People are panicking, causing shortages, and frustrating people all over the country. And after all that's done, if the Democrats get their way, United States of America will be another step closer to socialism, and many people will lose jobs, or will feel the effect from those people losing jobs, also the business slowing down. Oh, well. It's not like Obama cared about job growth anyway, especially the kind with wages that could support families. 👎

Can we please not play the blame game in this thread? I think this probably fit better into the America thread in Opinions Forum.
 
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