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[Zenith]

The lower is fine, the price tag is not.

I've heard that it's unlikely that an AWB would pass the house. Maybe waiting for this insanity to cool down is a good idea.

Edit: That lower is about 2-3x of what you should be paying. You can decide whether the extra $150 is worth it

 

[Omnis]

I know... I'm waiting for the insanity to go away and then I'll jump in. How much is a milspec lower normally? Like $120-150ish?

I'm more concerned about ammo capacity and pistols though. I'm worried they'll push for an AWB, then compromise for 10 round mags or some BS like that.

 

[Zenith]

I know... I'm waiting for the insanity to go away and then I'll jump in. How much is a milspec lower normally? Like $120-150ish?

Yeah, $100-$150.

Edit: from what I've been seeing with magazine prices and availability, the market is starting to stabilize again.

I'm more concerned about ammo capacity and pistols though. I'm worried they'll push for an AWB, then compromise for 10 round mags or some BS like that.

Well it's not like the ban will work. It'll be just as easy to get a "high" cap magazine as it is here in the PRK.

Heck, at worst it'll be an excuse to buy a .45 or something.

 

[Michael88]

Just ordered some gun parts and bullet molds from the US; its simply amazing how much money I can save this way, gun related stuff is 30% up to 50% cheaper there, shipping included. Especially US made scopes, a 300$ Leupold scope costs whooping € 550 here in the EU.
But craziest thing is that czech made scopes are more expensive in the EU than in the US so I have to buy them from overseas - and the plant where those scopes are manufactured is only a couple of 100 kilometers away from where I live. Madness.

Oh, and by the way, check out the Archangel Mosin Nagant stock, it was on display in the 2013 shot show. 10 shot detachable magazine! Its also pre-inlet for a timney match trigger!
I think they are going to sell em for 220 bucks, its still a protoype though.

 

[a6m5]

That is cool! Sort of weird that your stock cost more than the actual rifle, but whatever. I ran into this while checking it out on Bing:

In regards to the gun parts & accessories being cheaper from abroad, way I see it, it's the end result of all the politics & regulations. After so much fuel & manpower are spent on moving this stuff(shipping/receiving, transportation, etc.), products end up significantly cheaper than buying it at the very place they are manufactured. In the case of your Czech scope, it's all that, x 2 = more savings. Nothing new, but I still find it plenty amusing.

 

[Michael88]

That is cool! Sort of weird that your stock cost more than the actual rifle, but whatever.

There's actually quite a lot stocks out there that cost as much or even more than the rifle itself, the Accuracy International stocks for example can cost up to 1200 bucks. (They're excellent though)

And about the gun costs here vs US; you're probably right, but it still hurts my patriotic heart when Steyr rifles cost 1000 bucks in the US and I have to pay 1599 for them, a rifle that is produced in my country.

 

[a6m5]

While I was online shopping for 72-hour backpacks, I ran into those Magpul magazines that were going for nearly $100 in auctions? Dealers got them back in stock for $20 or less again(.308). Consistent with what Z-Man said the other day.

There's actually quite a lot stocks out there that cost as much or even more than the rifle itself, the Accuracy International stocks for example can cost up to 1200 bucks. (They're excellent though)

As soon as I typed that, I was thinking something like that.

 

[Nicksfix]

Anyone know anything about this lower?

Is that a good option to get in on an AR before a gun ban happens?

This past weekend, I just gave $200 for a lower unit. Figured I would try to beat the "possible ban" thing. I can always go back and get the rest of the gun without any problems. Acquiring the lower receiver (before a possible ban) is the key if you are piecing one together.

The lower is fine, the price tag is not.

Edit: That lower is about 2-3x of what you should be paying. You can decide whether the extra $150 is worth it

I didn't think $200 was all that bad. As far as $300 goes, I think if you shop around pretty hard, possibly hit up some gun shops, there still may be some bargains out there.

I know... I'm waiting for the insanity to go away and then I'll jump in.

Hopefully the insanity fades off into the sunset pretty quick. Hopefully prices of equipment will stabilize, maybe even drop back down into the norm.

 

[Jedi2016]

Stopped by the store on the way home today, they had maybe thirty pistols in the whole place (they usually have ten times that many), maybe forty rifles (bolt/lever action). I didn't recall seeing any shotguns. One half of the store was literally emtpy.

 

[a6m5]

I can't remember if I shared what I read about Ruger, but the article I read said they had to stop taking orders, because they were behind by ONE MILLION units.

 

[hogger129]

I can't remember if I shared what I read about Ruger, but the article I read said they had to stop taking orders, because they were behind by ONE MILLION units.

That's what I heard awhile back from other gun owners I know, too. Ruger had so many orders - especially when they released that new SR1911 - that they got really backed up and had to stop taking orders so they could catch back up with demand.

 

[Michael88]

I can't remember if I shared what I read about Ruger, but the article I read said they had to stop taking orders, because they were behind by ONE MILLION units.

One MILLION units? Thats insane, I wonder if there is any other business making as much money as the gun industry right now.

And he has defended his title for 2013.

Speaking of money and profits, I just sold a rifle for 1800 bucks and want to fill the gap it left with something else gun related, you know. Believe it or not - I don't know what to buy.
Great, now I feel like a rich spoiled kid.

 

[a6m5]

Another rifle? How about a handgun? You almost never talk about handguns.

 

[Michael88]

Ah yes handguns, there is a reason why I never talk about them, I don't like handguns -at all. I'm a rifleman.
I shot many many revolvers and pistols in my life but I never enjoyed shooting them, to me a handgun is simply a weak backup tool in case I lose my rifle and I have to fight my way back to it.
In the case of the powerful super magnums I'd rather have a small rifle that weighs little more than the revolver but has at least 3 times the range.

I've always thought a nice crossbow would be neat to have, but I've never really had the ''itch'' to get one.

One thing I've always wanted to buy was a bullet proof west, something like a Level 4 with ceramic / composite plates that stops even a steel core 7.62x54. But even though its a nice piece of equipment its highly useless, expensive (1200+) hot and heavy.

 

[a6m5]

Hardcore, Michael. Hardcore.

Crossbow would make a cool survival weapon. Ammunition sure would be easier to come by! Of course, they don't make any noise either, which is a plus. Vest is cool too, but like you said, you'll most likely would never need it, and I think I saw a youtube video one time of someone shooting up one of those that had expired? I didn't know that they had expiration date, but if that was true, that would be another reason not to buy one.

I guess the smart way to play it would be to just hang onto the cash, see what comes along.

 

[Michael88]

The ceramic plates don't have expiration dates (composite plates do, I think), the problem is, however, that the plate cannot function without the soft ballistic armor backing it up which soaks up the fragments. And soft body armor DOES expire quick.
When hit the ceramic plate and the bullet shatter and the soft ballistic protection catches the fragments.
There was a soldier in Afghanistan who only wore a plate when a sniper hit him with a 7.62x54r, the plate acted as designed but the bullet pieces and plate fragments entered his chest and he lost a huge part of his lung.
On the x-ray his chest looked like a grenade had exploded in it and I bet the bullet would have caused LESS damage without the plate.

Oh, why does soft ballistic armor expire? Its made of materials that get hard and brittle over time, especially when exposed to UV radiation and sweat. I think new stuff usually expires in approx 5 years or so. I would not bet my life on old expired armor. The soft armor can be replaced but its expensive and sometimes hard to get, harder than plates.

So body armor only makes sense if you're in the security / military business and the company you're working for keeps your armor up to date.

I guess the smart way to play it would be to just hang onto the cash, see what comes along.

Well, if super-inflation is what comes along.....

Crossbow would make a cool survival weapon. Ammunition sure would be easier to come by! Of course, they don't make any noise either, which is a plus.

Absolutely, the main problem I have with crossbows is they don't look pretty. Thats not a joke.

 

[a6m5]

So body armor only makes sense if you're in the security / military business and the company you're working for keeps your armor up to date.

Exactly. Or if you are rich.

Well, if super-inflation is what comes along.....

I don't know about that, but I guess you never know. If it does come, I'd wish I was a farmer. Farmers won't go hungry!

Absolutely, the main problem I have with crossbows is they don't look pretty. Thats not a joke.

Yeah, it's not exactly sophisticated, it's clumsy and not at all efficient compared to firearms, but that's the trade off. Certainly adds great flexibility to your arsenal!

 

[Joel]

Dunno what the laws are like down there for hunting, but my dad started using a bow the last couple years to hunt, mostly because the deer season is 3 months long for bow hunters, compared to 2 weeks for shotguns. He has a compound bow that he used to use, but in the last year or so he's had some tendonitis issues in his elbow so he bought a crossbow for this past year's deer season. That's the biggest reason I'd ever want one. There is a certain coolness factor to a crossbow as well, just something about how we try to do our best to modernize/tacticool a completely obsolete tool

 

[a6m5]

I think it's gotten definitely cooler since Walking Dead became a hit on the TV.

That & shotguns!

 

[Michael88]

I like the look of the reverse crossbows, like this one:

Too bad that they seem to bee very hard on the materials which results in limited life expectancy and increased maintenance demands. So a no go for me, I only like extremely reliable and long lasting equipment. Bummer.

The simpler recurve crossbows seem to be much more reliable and survive a beating, according to crossbow pros.

Oh, and if I buy a crossbow my weight lifting experience would pay off big time, I read that many people cant draw a 225lbs crossbow without a winch or pulling ropes. I could easily draw a 350lbs string a dozen times.

*edit*

Forgot to mention a fun fact about crossbows: did you know that some medieval Crossbows called ''Arbalests'' had draw weight of up to 1540 lbs? Yeah, thats right, most crossbows nowadays have a max draw weight of around 220 lbs. They could shoot THROUGH a Knight in full plate at up to 400 yds - the anti-tank rifle of the middle ages.
When I was in Vienna visiting a museum about medieval armor and weapons they had such crossbow on display and I made a photo:

 

[Omnis]

Is that tusk? Holy crap how do you draw something like that?

 

[Michael88]

Is that tusk? Holy crap how do you draw something like that?

Tusk it is! You draw it with a supersized version of a so called ''Cranequin''

Or a winch:

Smaller ones can be drawn with a belt:

 

[Omnis]

Oh, I see the cranequin hanging there now.

 

[a6m5]

Does that thing ever explode when you are trying to crank that thing in position?

 

[terminator363]

Does that thing ever explode when you are trying to crank that thing in position?

Speaking of cross bows, I would want this:

Can be converted from an AR15. (What's neat is that you can use the crossbow when sneaking around and the rifle for hordes of zombies!)

 

[a6m5]

Tactical AR crossbow. 👍

Here's the laser bore sighter I got in the mail for my AR10:

I'll give it a shot when I'm over this flu!

 

[Auraxir]

I wonder what kind of damage would do a .950 JDJ Dinosaur Hunting rifle

 

[Michael88]

I wonder what kind of damage would do a .950 JDJ Dinosaur Hunting rifle

Dislocated shoulder, concussion, fractured spine, severe eye damage caused by the blast wave....

Oh wait, you were talking about the target?

 

[Auraxir]

im talking about both, i think that can punch trough a LAV

 

[a6m5]

I was thinking same thing. Hopefully, nothing permanent.

Edit: Jesus, I guess Z-Man was right. I did a search on chamber brush for my rifle. Cheaper than Dirt comes up with $3.94 brush. Very reasonable price, I get on to order one. This is the shipping estimate:

In red letters, it noted Smart Post, so I tried that. $6.82 including the "handling". These guys are making money off shipping, guys.