Real Guns

[Michael88]

Well, the .950 JDJ is pretty slow (2200 fps) and very big in diameter, means it has a bad sectional density, both these factors make it bad at penetrating armor, the .50BMG would out-penetrate it for sure and it would have much more range because the slow un-aerdoynamic JDJ has a rainbow-arc trajectory.

However, it would still be good in penetrating soft targets and passing completely through even the largest animals - big game cartridges are usually medium speed heavy projectiles big diameter rounds.

But I'd rather have a 14.5x114 round, its better balanced.

 

[Auraxir]

it would be usefull to go hunting dinosaurs, i wonder how a headshot with that would be

 

[Crash]

Went shooting at the range with a couple of friends today.

We shot a Glock 17, Sig P229, HK USP, S&W M&P, all in 9mm, and a 1911 in .45. My friend also brought a .22 CZ bolt action rifle. I haven't shot the Glock, HK and the Sig in a long time, so it was nice to get re-acquainted with those pistols. I'm still not a big fan of the Glock grip, and especially not the trigger. The Sig felt oddly top heavy. I recognized that the Sig is not polymer, so it's going to be heavier, but it the weight seemed to be all up top. It was very smooth and easy to shoot though. I've never shot a bolt action rifle before. Super fun and easy to shoot with just a little pop when you pull the trigger.

Since I haven't gone shooting in a long time, plus I never really got good trigger pull and control lessons on range, I'm still shooting pretty large groups at 10 yards. Also, it took me quite a long time to reacquire sight after each shot. I try focusing on the front sight when shooting, but I can't quickly and reliable refocus on the front sights to aim and shoot the next round. Does anyone have any tips on making it easier to do that when practicing/shooting next time?

 

[Omnis]

it would be usefull to go hunting dinosaurs, i wonder how a headshot with that would be

.338 Lapua is all you need for something like that.

 

[Zenith]

Since I haven't gone shooting in a long time, plus I never really got good trigger pull and control lessons on range, I'm still shooting pretty large groups at 10 yards. Also, it took me quite a long time to reacquire sight after each shot. I try focusing on the front sight when shooting, but I can't quickly and reliable refocus on the front sights to aim and shoot the next round. Does anyone have any tips on making it easier to do that when practicing/shooting next time?

Your accuracy problems sound like they stem from your trigger control. That's the single most important action when using a gun. You can have your sights lined up on a bull's eye for ten minutes but it means nothing it you're jerking the trigger. With handguns the effect of a bad trigger pull is amplified. You have a 5lb pull on a 2lb gun. You can easily miss the target if you pull wrong.

Here's a good drill. Get two magazines, load one with a single round, leave the other one empty or with a dummy round. Randomly select one without looking or have a friend load the gun for you. Point at the target and pull the trigger. Since you don't know if the gun is loaded, you'll be able to evaluate your pull. If you end up jerking the trigger on an unloaded gun, you know what you're doing wrong. Repeat until you stop jerking the gun. For bonus points balance an empty casing or dummy round on the slide.

Be aware of the fundamentals of trigger control. Use the pad of your finger, squeeze slow and don't anticipate. People have been shooting handguns for a while, there's no need to flinch. For the record, I used to suck at shooting handguns.

Your problems with follow-up shots sound like an eye thing. Are you cross-dominant? It could also be that you're failing to control the recoil well. Be sure you're using a good stance and a positive grip.

 

[Michael88]

Hey a6m5, how did you paint your guns front sight? I tried to paint my steel blade-style front sight of a rifle with Revell bright orange email color.
Guess what happened? After I let it dry an hour or so I just touched (gently) it with my thumb and the paint fell off the sight like a piece of tin foil.

Yes, I degreased and polished the surface with steel wool before applying the paint. And yes, I have zero experience with painting stuff. ZER0.

Crap².

 

[Zenith]

I use nail polish for all my coloring needs.

 

[Michael88]

I use nail polish for all my coloring needs.

Hmm, what do you think, should I paint it in ''braziliant orange'' or in ''leading lady pink''?
Ohh, aahhh, wait, ''silken cord orange'' looks splendid, I think its my favorite today.

Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try! But I better not walk into a store and ask the people there for nail polish for my guns.
Should I paint it with white polish first so that the orange turns out extra bright?

 

[Zenith]

I know you guys were looking for these.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OKWHVO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002OKWHVO&linkCode=as2&tag=armor-20

<$10.

I still think they're unnecessary.

 

[a6m5]

On my Kimber, I just used a paint that was lying around. I think it's supposed to be for painting plastic models.

To be honest, I never even touched the painted part directly, so I'm not sure if it's something that might rub off easily. Even when I'm cleaning/lubing the gun, I just worked around it.

Nail polish sounds like a great idea. Let's just not get carried away too much.

P.S. Now we are at par as far as sight painting experience go: "1"

I know you guys were looking for these.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OKWHVO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002OKWHVO&linkCode=as2&tag=armor-20

<$10.

I still think they're unnecessary.

vvvvvvvThanks bro.vvvvvvv

Here's the laser bore sighter I got in the mail for my AR10:

I'll give it a shot when I'm over this flu!

My post from yesterday. My coworker's .223 came in just today(both from Amazon).

 

[Michael88]

Used some bright red nail polish to paint the front sight, worked like a charm. The polished metal surface underneath it makes the red color really bright, it almost looks like a fiber optic sight and I cant remove it by touching it with my fingers. Cool. 👍

 

[Solid Lifters]

Used some bright red nail polish to paint the front sight, worked like a charm. The polished metal surface underneath it makes the red color really bright, it almost looks like a fiber optic sight and I cant remove it by touching it with my fingers. Cool. 👍

Try this stuff sometime. Works good, too.

http://glowinc.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=11

http://glowinc.com/glow-in-the-dark/gun-sights.aspx

 

[wfooshee]

New purchase. Smith & Wesson SD9VE. My first DA auto pistol. We'll have to see how I like it.

Polymer frame, stainless steel slide and barrel. White-dot sights, 16+1 capacity, came with two magazines.

I've read a great deal of positive information about it, and at 370 bucks it looks to be a really good value. It feels great in the hand, no nose-heaviness at all, and being DA there are no levers to check and flick before firing.

 

[Maiden93]

Hey guys. I was thinking of gettimg myself a pistol soon and wasn't too sure what type I wanted. I know that I want a .45 caliber though. I like the knockdown power of it in self defense. I was hoping to get some opinions on what types of gun you like for your own personal defense, or a really reliable pistol that you would recommend. Money is no issue, so throw out any good .45 guns that you have had experience with.

 

[a6m5]

New purchase. Smith & Wesson SD9VE. My first DA auto pistol. We'll have to see how I like it.

Polymer frame, stainless steel slide and barrel. White-dot sights, 16+1 capacity, came with two magazines.

I've read a great deal of positive information about it, and at 370 bucks it looks to be a really good value. It feels great in the hand, no nose-heaviness at all, and being DA there are no levers to check and flick before firing.

That's a Sigma, isn't it? I have no experience with it, but it seems to be avoided in the secondhand market. Apparently, much earlier production had bunch of issues with them or something. $370 is cheap, and I'd be shocked if S&W hasn't absolutely perfected their production by now.

Hey guys. I was thinking of gettimg myself a pistol soon and wasn't too sure what type I wanted. I know that I want a .45 caliber though. I like the knockdown power of it in self defense. I was hoping to get some opinions on what types of gun you like for your own personal defense, or a really reliable pistol that you would recommend. Money is no issue, so throw out any good .45 guns that you have had experience with.

I have a Kimber 1911(Custom Target II) and I really like it. I've only shot that, Springfield Armory 1911 and Gen 3 Glock 21 as far as the .45 goes. 1911s have metal frame, so while they are heavier, I think they shoot smoother with very mild recoil. Glock 21's more reliable probably, but the double stack magazines makes the grip very wide, and I don't care for the polymer frame for its light weight & overall balance of the gun. I am interested in the Glock 36 though. It's the sub compact/compact .45 Auto pistol, and it takes single stack magazines(skinnier grip).

I also like the .45 as a defensive caliber. I like all three that I've fired. Kimber retails close to $1,000, Springfield's little lower & I think Glock 21's just below $600. If money's no object, then this BrutherSuperior's review of Wilson Combat 1911 might interest you.

I've never fired them, but personally, I'm really interested in Sig's P220 & also their 1911. I just think they look cool.

 

[wfooshee]

That's a Sigma, isn't it? I have no experience with it, but it seems to be avoided in the secondhand market.

I've read about the early versions, and I've read about some changes in the current guns. There're also apparently 3 model lines, starting with the SWs, the SDs, and the upper-line M&Ps. Also, the VE at the end designates it as the newer version, from what I understand.

 

[Maiden93]

I have been thinking about getting a 1911 for sure. If I do, I don't know what brand I'd get. I have been looking at the sig p220 a lot also. I really would like to live somewhere that had more selection than just glocks and s&w. Nothing against the guns, I'm just not sure if I like glocks. I don't know what it's called, but my friend has a glock 17 and it has a "double action" trigger(word check), and I hated that. It made my accuracy go down from having to pull it in a certain amount then finally get to where when you pulled the trigger it would fire. I'm hopefully going to get a pistol that doesn't have this. But like I said, I haven't gotten a chance to go and look at the guns I want and look at safety's, triggers, etc.

 

[Zenith]

Knockdown power is a myth. You will not push somebody with a bullet.

What do you want to do with this handgun?
What is your budget?
Do you plan to carry concealed?

Do not limit yourself to a single caliber. Find a gun that fits you well then find the best cartridge for that gun.

 

[a6m5]

I've read about the early versions, and I've read about some changes in the current guns. There're also apparently 3 model lines, starting with the SWs, the SDs, and the upper-line M&Ps. Also, the VE at the end designates it as the newer version, from what I understand.

Glad to hear that. Let us know how it shoots! 👍

I have been thinking about getting a 1911 for sure. If I do, I don't know what brand I'd get. I have been looking at the sig p220 a lot also. I really would like to live somewhere that had more selection than just glocks and s&w. Nothing against the guns, I'm just not sure if I like glocks. I don't know what it's called, but my friend has a glock 17 and it has a "double action" trigger(word check), and I hated that. It made my accuracy go down from having to pull it in a certain amount then finally get to where when you pulled the trigger it would fire. I'm hopefully going to get a pistol that doesn't have this. But like I said, I haven't gotten a chance to go and look at the guns I want and look at safety's, triggers, etc.

I also like shorter trigger pull, and 1911's are definitely short. My first handgun was a Glock 17, and I didn't really have any problems with it, but I wasn't crazy about it either. I hate the spongy ones, with longer pull. For me, that would've been Beretta 92F.

As far as the 1911 brands go, Springfield Armory & Kimber(two that I"ve shot) are very popular. Wilson Combat is crazy expensive(I think they go for $2,000+), but if you could afford it, I don't think you could go wrong with one of the best built 1911s out there, if not the best. Sig has some cool looking 1911s, too.

If you have any shooting ranges in your area, maybe they have rentals?

 

[Maiden93]

Knockdown power is a myth. You will not push somebody with a bullet.

What do you want to do with this handgun?
What is your budget?
Do you plan to carry concealed?

Do not limit yourself to a single caliber. Find a gun that fits you well then find the best cartridge for that gun.

The handgun is purely for personal protection. I would like to conceal carry, but maybe not with this gun. I'd like the 45 because it would also correlate with another gun I have that shoots .45 ACP. Another thing with the conceal carry is that I like big pistols. No compact or anything because I have big hands.

 

[Maiden93]

Glad to hear that. Let us know how it shoots! 👍

I also like shorter trigger pull, and 1911's are definitely short. My first handgun was a Glock 17, and I didn't really have any problems with it, but I wasn't crazy about it either. I hate the spongy ones, with longer pull. For me, that would've been Beretta 92F.

As far as the 1911 brands go, Springfield Armory & Kimber(two that I"ve shot) are very popular. Wilson Combat is crazy expensive(I think they go for $2,000+), but if you could afford it, I don't think you could go wrong with one of the best built 1911s out there, if not the best. Sig has some cool looking 1911s, too.

If you have any shooting ranges in your area, maybe they have rentals?

Yeah, that's pretty helpful, honestly. How is the safety on your's? Does it take a lot of force to push it? Like if you were in a life or death situation, would it pose a problem because of not pushing in the safety all the way?

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, that's pretty helpful, honestly. How is the safety on your's? Does it take a lot of force to push it? Like if you were in a life or death situation, would it pose a problem because of not pushing in the safety all the way?

1911's thumb safety just slides up & down, so it is super smooth & easy to operate. It's just a light flick up & down for me.

 

[Maiden93]

1911's thumb safety just slides up & down, so it is super smooth & easy to operate. It's just a light flick up & down for me.

Oh okay. You didn't have one that was a grip safety? That's one of my big questions with the colt, and Springfield armory, ones. I don't want the grip safety to be too hard to push in the situation I need it.

 

[a6m5]

Oh okay. You didn't have one that was a grip safety? That's one of my big questions with the colt, and Springfield armory, ones. I don't want the grip safety to be too hard to push in the situation I need it.

Yes, mine has that as well. I didn't even touch on it, because IMO, grip safety doesn't require any effort, or even thought process to operate one. In other words, if you can grip the gun like you are supposed to, there is no room for error. 👍

 

[Zenith]

If caliber compatibility is important to you, then we can base our search on that.

I would not recommend a 1911 for any kind of protection. The design is over 100 years old. The magazine capacity is unacceptable, break in periods are unsat. You'll also need to spend some dough to get a reliable gun.

If you're willing to spend enough to get a 1911, why not a .45 HK?

 

[Maiden93]

Yes, mine has that as well. I didn't even touch on it, because IMO, grip safety doesn't require any effort, or even thought process to operate one. In other words, if you can grip the gun like you are supposed to, there is no room for error. 👍

Okay cool. I really like the colt and Springfield armory 1911's, but those modern looking p220's and guns like it just look good. I hope, like you said, to get to try out the guns and then make my choice. Nothing like dropping a grand and then not really liking how your gun operates.

 

[Maiden93]

If caliber compatibility is important to you, then we can base our search on that.

I would not recommend a 1911 for any kind of protection. The design is over 100 years old. The magazine capacity is unacceptable, break in periods are unsat. You'll also need to spend some dough to get a reliable gun.

If you're willing to spend enough to get a 1911, why not a .45 HK?

Like the USP .45? I've looked at those a little, but they seem a little small. (Haven't seen one in real life)

 

[Zenith]

As someone who has shot a USP, it is one of the last guns I would ever call small.

 

[a6m5]

USP comes in full size or compact, right?

If caliber compatibility is important to you, then we can base our search on that.

I would not recommend a 1911 for any kind of protection. The design is over 100 years old. The magazine capacity is unacceptable, break in periods are unsat. You'll also need to spend some dough to get a reliable gun.

If you're willing to spend enough to get a 1911, why not a .45 HK?

It is a old design, but man, it's not like it's inaccurate, or doesn't fire bullets. And OMG, they are sweet shooters. Don't be hatin'

In regards to HK, BrutherSuperior is not a fan of the Sig, but he used to have a USP(maybe he still does). Maybe he can chime in.

Okay cool. I really like the colt and Springfield armory 1911's, but those modern looking p220's and guns like it just look good. I hope, like you said, to get to try out the guns and then make my choice. Nothing like dropping a grand and then not really liking how your gun operates.

You seen how many newer used guns are out there? There's plenty of that going around. I've never fired a Sig, but I've admired their guns since I was a kid and I hope to own one someday. There are plenty of people who find their operation awkward, so I definitely recommend shooting something like P220 before spending a grand on it. I wish you good luck & have fun shopping around.

 

[Nicksfix]

Hey guys. I was thinking of gettimg myself a pistol soon and wasn't too sure what type I wanted. I know that I want a .45 caliber though. I like the knockdown power of it in self defense. I was hoping to get some opinions on what types of gun you like for your own personal defense, or a really reliable pistol that you would recommend. Money is no issue, so throw out any good .45 guns that you have had experience with.

The handgun is purely for personal protection. I would like to conceal carry, but maybe not with this gun. I'd like the 45 because it would also correlate with another gun I have that shoots .45 ACP. Another thing with the conceal carry is that I like big pistols. No compact or anything because I have big hands.

Have you considered the S&W SW99 ? I've got one and it is a sweet piece. It features an ambidextrous magazine release, it comes with 2 sets of backstraps for various hand size, it features polymer construction with a stainless steel slide and barell, the grips are a decent texture, not all "bitey", smooth firing, not nose heavy. Overall, a pretty nice piece for roughly $600 - $650 ...