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[Michael88]

Does 1.5x6 mean 1.5 to 6x zoom?

Yes, there are even some 1.5-8 scopes out there but they are INSANELY expensive and I have no idea what their field of view is and how picky they are with eye relief. My guess is they're very picky.
Here you go, an IOR Valdada 1.5-8x26 (the 26 lenses sucks at low light even with their glass quality) Its also very heavy.
Only 1895 bucks. Thats a steal!
IOR 1.5-8x26 scope Link

I would like to get something with a 2x magnification, ideally, and I sure didn't take the effect from the shakiness into the consideration. Great tip right there.

Yeah, at 2x the shake is very manageable, at 3x its getting annoying and 4x makes you feel like an arthritis-ridden 110 year old. And it gets worse with heavy rifles.
Once I tried to shoot a 15 lbs rifle with a 14x at 100 standing unsupported just for fun. I got seasick.

 

[a6m5]

Yes, there are even some 1.5-8 scopes out there but they are INSANELY expensive and I have no idea what their field of view is and how picky they are with eye relief. My guess is they're very picky.
Here you go, an IOR Valdada 1.5-8x26 (the 26 lenses sucks at low light even with their glass quality) Its also very heavy.
Only 1895 bucks. Thats a steal!
IOR 1.5-8x26 scope Link

Oops. Too bad, the scope look badass!

Yeah, at 2x the shake is very manageable, at 3x its getting annoying and 4x makes you feel like an arthritis-ridden 110 year old. And it gets worse with heavy rifles.
Once I tried to shoot a 15 lbs rifle with a 14x at 100 standing unsupported just for fun. I got seasick.

Honestly, I don't know how many shots I'd manage out of rifle that heavy. Chances are, I'll get tired & quit even before I get sick.

 

[Michael88]

I can't remember if I hit the target even once that way. I bet shooting from a running horse during an earthquake while having a seizure is more fun.

Personally, if I'd shoot at longer distances I'd get a Redfield with the accu-range reticle, it has holdovers for 300 and 400 for medium power cartridges like the .308.

By the way, I didn't even know that this Redfield Revenge scope existed, I have the plain Redfield 2-7x33 accu range. This looks different. Does the version in your link have target turrets? Hm. Trying to figure out the differences...

 

[a6m5]

This is the official page of the Redfield Revenge. I've checked out that site a few times now, and it just lists: Revenge, Revolution, Battlezone & that reddot + laser thing.

 

[Michael88]

Oh. Theres Revenge AND Revolution scopes. Looks like the Revenge line doesn't have the accu-range reticles, and the Revolution is a 2-7x33 while the Revenge is a 2-7x34 with different turret caps. How strange.

 

[a6m5]

Well, the website says there is a accu-ranger Revenge model, but I've yet to see one for sale. Since I'm not shooting truly long distance and also prefer clearer picture, I figured I'll be better off with the 4-plex?

Revolution is more money, but I haven't seen anything convincing from them why I should buy the more expensive Revolution over the Revenge. I've checked out both of them, granted, inside a brightly lit store, but they both came across as nice optic with similar quality.

Edit: I did it. $130(includes UPS shipping) for Redfield Revenge was too good to pass up.

I'm going to mount it with this cheapie I bought off Amazon last year. Next upgrade should be either new scope rings, or a CQB laser.

 

[Solid Lifters]

If you're gonna go with the dot sight and scope set up, this scope might be ideal. Going from a dot to a mil-dot recticle might not be a good idea since your eye is already focused on using a dot for your aim point.

This looks ideal... http://www.botachtactical.com/bu5mtri.html

 

[a6m5]

Boy, that is above my price range, but it is more ideal than the one I just ordered(edited on to my last post). For now, I think I will go with the scope & laser.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Boy, that is above my price range, but it is more ideal than the one I just ordered(edited on to my last post). For now, I think I will go with the scope & laser.

D'oh! I didn't see your post earlier.

Congrats! Looks like a great scope. 👍

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I agree with Michael88 on the .380, my father has one that I shot from time to time, and I hate it myself wouldn't want it for my wife.

I like the choices Solid lifter gave me, so thanks for that.



Have a CZ75 in 9mm for a racegun, I don't like 9mm other than for competition since 38 super is expensive and I think that 9mm rounds really shouldn't be used for ccw or open carry weapons. So I rather go revolver for her, unless there is a good semi-auto you can put up (anyone that is). I want .40 and .45 due to stopping power, and really would like to learn on a 1911 but, my father thinks that me owning a single action isn't a good idea.

So no other help...

 

[Zenith]

Your pistol:

1911's are not very good for CCW. Your CCW gun should be a tool, nothing else. While 1911's are extremely cool, their magazine capacity, size, weight, and 100+ year old design mean that they're totally outclasses by modern options, especially considering the cost. A good 1911 will cost around $1,000.

For all pistols, and this is the reason why you haven't gotten many specific suggestions, one of the most critical considerations is how the gun fits your hand. There are a wide variety of shapes, sizes, and grip angles. Everybody wants to fire a handgun differently.

If you'd like some suggestions, we could really use a budget guideline. Glock comes to mind, the G23, G27, and G30 satisfy the guidelines you've given us. Other pistols to consider would be the Kahr and S&W Sigma series are worth a look.

 

[a6m5]

So no other help...

I've never conceal carried, so I have absolutely no qualified suggestion I could give you.

For myself, originally, I wanted a Glock 26 for carry. I'm pretty big on the 9mm. I think it's a practical choice due to its' price, power, etc., though I'd definitely get quality hollow point for it.

Since I have switched to .45ACP, and don't really want to commit funds to carry another handgun caliber, for now, I have bought a Ruger SR22(.22LR). It's small, but it's a quality piece for the price($300-ish). I already have a .22LR rifle, so I don't have to expand my ammunition inventory. I'll use this for carry whenever I get around to going concealed carry(not a Citizen, can't do it yet), but I can use it for cheap plinking today.

For female, people often recommend wheel guns. I have no idea about that. For me, I learned to shoot pistol on Glock 17, and I thought the simplicity of the gun, combined with the modest power(and price) of 9mm was just perfect. I think Glock 26 would be a good choice(just remember I don't know what I'm talking about!).

D'oh! I didn't see your post earlier.

Congrats! Looks like a great scope. 👍

I did like the one I played with, which was 3x to 9 or whatever. I'll post a pic when I have it installed. 👍

 

[Solid Lifters]

So no other help...

I carried a .45 for concealed carry and I left without it numerous times because it was too big and bulky to carry when the weather was hot. That's no damn good.

But the small J frame S&W 5-shot revolvers I showed you are PERFECT for carry. They even fit very easy in the front pocket of a pair of shorts. They're a perfect choice, IMO. And, .38 Special +P ammo is better than .380ACP and some 9mm ammo.

But, as was suggested by Zenith, find a handgun that fits your hand like it was an extention of your arm. That points easily in the direction of your natural point of aim. Go to an indoor range that rents guns. Most do. Mine did. Then, you can see what you like the most.

 

[a6m5]

I carried a .45 for concealed carry and I left without it numerous times because it was too big and bulky to carry when the weather was hot. That's no damn good.

Ah, excellent point that I think is often forgotten. 👍

 

[Zenith]

Agreed, the strongest, most reliable, and fastest handgun in the world is no good if you're not carrying it when you want it. Glock 19 compacts seem to be the biggest most people want to go for CCW.

 

[a6m5]

I LOVE Glock 19, but I think that just might be the classic case of what Solid was talking about.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Your pistol:

1911's are not very good for CCW. Your CCW gun should be a tool, nothing else. While 1911's are extremely cool, their magazine capacity, size, weight, and 100+ year old design mean that they're totally outclasses by modern options, especially considering the cost. A good 1911 will cost around $1,000.

For all pistols, and this is the reason why you haven't gotten many specific suggestions, one of the most critical considerations is how the gun fits your hand. There are a wide variety of shapes, sizes, and grip angles. Everybody wants to fire a handgun differently.

If you'd like some suggestions, we could really use a budget guideline. Glock comes to mind, the G23, G27, and G30 satisfy the guidelines you've given us. Other pistols to consider would be the Kahr and S&W Sigma series are worth a look.

1911 wasn't intended to be CCW, sorry I should have been more clear on that, it was actually just to figure out how hard it would be to learn to use. As for budget it is anywhere from 500-900 dollars but willing to go 1000 if the weapon is to my liking, and fits me.

 

[kikie]

Going to tell a friend about this thread. He collects all sorts of guns.

 

[Zenith]

1911 wasn't intended to be CCW, sorry I should have been more clear on that, it was actually just to figure out how hard it would be to learn to use. As for budget it is anywhere from 500-900 dollars but willing to go 1000 if the weapon is to my liking, and fits me.

Cool. Go to a shooting range and rent a few compact handguns.

Glock 30 or the new Glock 30S are good concealable .45's. I prefer them to .40 Glocks. Maybe the newer batch of .40's is totally fixed, but the history still keeps me from them.

The Smith and Wesson M&P40C, on the other hand was designed around .40. I've heard it's a fantastic handgun. The trigger leaves much to be desired, but you can order one from certain vendors with the Apex Tactical kit, which upgrades a sub-desirable trigger to what is probably the best trigger found on a polymer frame. M&P's with Apex kits are especially popular with 1911 guys. The trigger feels similar and can be weighted similarly and the gun can be ordered with a thumb safety.

 

[a6m5]

I've heard a bit about Glock 30S, but I've yet to see a picture of it(I think I'll do a search now). Sounds like exactly what I want.

What was the flaw with the .40 S&W Glocks? Glock 23's like the best looking Glock there is, and I've never heard any problems with them, not that I was seeking any information like that.

*edit - God, it still has the magazine bottom sticking out. I HATE that.

Going to tell a friend about this thread. He collects all sorts of guns.

Hey, nice to see you man. It's been awhile.

 

[Jedi2016]

Best looking Glock? They all look the same to me.. lol.

 

[a6m5]

They are similar, but proportion's different. Glock 19's also my fav, and they look perfectly balanced. Glock 17 I used to have looked little long, 30, 30S, 36, they look awkward with the large magazine bottom being fully exposed.

For me, exception is the Glock 26. That is the, and I'm not afraid to say it, the cutest gun ever. It's like the cutest puppy!

 

[Michael88]

If I had to buy a handgun it would be a Glock 35. From all the service pistol rounds I think the .40S&W is perfectly balanced, its much faster and holds more rounds than .45 but its still bigger and heavier than the 9mm.
I shot the Glock 35 before and for a pistol it was great, its also got a good balance and a nice long line of sight.

And not all Glocks look the same, aside from different dimensions and barrel lengths some have a rounded slide face while others don't.

Glock 35:

 

[Jedi2016]

I actually hadn't seen one of those before.. hehe. I do have a G19, and I love it. I should start carrying it, just to get a feel for it. I have a little Taurus .380 I carry in my pocket, but the Glock is definitely more of a serious weapon.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Cool. Go to a shooting range and rent a few compact handguns.

Glock 30 or the new Glock 30S are good concealable .45's. I prefer them to .40 Glocks. Maybe the newer batch of .40's is totally fixed, but the history still keeps me from them.

The Smith and Wesson M&P40C, on the other hand was designed around .40. I've heard it's a fantastic handgun. The trigger leaves much to be desired, but you can order one from certain vendors with the Apex Tactical kit, which upgrades a sub-desirable trigger to what is probably the best trigger found on a polymer frame. M&P's with Apex kits are especially popular with 1911 guys. The trigger feels similar and can be weighted similarly and the gun can be ordered with a thumb safety.

Thanks Zenith I have seen the M&P40, family member of mine won it in a raffle at the local gun shop, where I use to live. So I will look into it. Any other guns, a specific list would help even though you don't know what my preference is just put up any guns you like.

 

[kikie]

I've heard a bit about Glock 30S, but I've yet to see a picture of it(I think I'll do a search now). Sounds like exactly what I want.

What was the flaw with the .40 S&W Glocks? Glock 23's like the best looking Glock there is, and I've never heard any problems with them, not that I was seeking any information like that.

*edit - God, it still has the magazine bottom sticking out. I HATE that.

Hey, nice to see you man. It's been awhile.

Thanks! Gives me a good feeling that people remember me.

I have been visiting the sim racing hardware and games section very frequently.

I posted once in this thread in 2005 saying that my father has a gun, revolver or whatever it is called.

It's a sig sauer or something like that.

 

[Zenith]

Any other guns, a specific list would help even though you don't know what my preference is just put up any guns you like.

Glock 23
Glock 30
Smith and Wesson M&P40C
Smith and Wesson M&P45C
H&K HK45 Compact
H&K P30 .40 S&W
CZ P-07 Duty .40 S&W
Kahr CW40
Kahr CW45

 

[a6m5]

I took apart my AR10 for the first time today. It wasn't as bad as I thought. Thank god for Youtube, because without it, I'd still be trying to put it back together right now.

After a quick lube job(I didn't take the bolt apart), action feels so much smoother & crisp now. I should have done that before I shot it.

I'm expecting my scope to come in this Tuesday. I think I should take a day off, maybe following week, when the range won't be too busy, go shoot everything I have with the exception of the shotgun & WWII rifle(because it will most certainly blow my face off, if it goes off at all. lol). I've been thinking though. With all the ammunition shortage around the country, range might be dead.

I've been reading & hearing about the conspiracy theory regarding ammo shortage. How the Government is placing their large ammunition order now, causing the shortage. I think I remember hearing about the Government's plan to place large order sometime last year though? Probably was just a coincidence.

You guys found any .22LR lately? For around $20?

 

[Nicksfix]

You guys found any .22LR lately? For around $20?

That stuff is more rare than chickens teeth right now. I'm down to 4 boxes of it. All of the places I go to around here are completely out of it. I keep hearing the same thing time and time again .... "check back". I was able to land a mini chest full (1000 rounds) of 17HMR for $90. That is minor compared to what I am about to put my hands on, 1000 rounds of Remington .223 for $500 ... deal of the century. It helps being involved in local gun clubs.

*meets with the guy next weekend*

 

[a6m5]

I'm at about 3,500 on the .22LR, but I check when I can, because my friend's down to 20 or 30(his own words lol). I didn't even know it was possible to have that little on had, as if you or I have 20 left, we'd just shoot it.

$500 for 1,000 rounds of .223's a sounds like a good deal now, if it's brass. I'm just so used to seeing Tula at Walmart for $5(little more now), which of course are steel cased. Good luck on the deal!