Real Guns

[Michael88]

After a quick lube job(I didn't take the bolt apart), action feels so much smoother & crisp now. I should have done that before I shot it.

Told you so!
You'll see, now that the gun is properly lubed its going to run flawlessly as long as you're not shooting crapammo through it. Semi autos are like car engines, run them without oil and they wont work.

IMO the first thing any shooter should do when he has bought a new weapon is to take it apart, familiarize himself with the weapons internals, inspect it for damage, clean out the factory gunk and lube it properly.

....by the way how did you clean the barrel if you didn't take the rifle apart (remove the bolt)?

 

[a6m5]

I did take the rifle apart, even the bolt carrier, just not the actual bolt itself.

I'm still gonna shoot some cheap stuff, but it's a start.

 

[Nicksfix]

I'm at about 3,500 on the .22LR, but I check when I can, because my friend's down to 20 or 30(his own words lol). I didn't even know it was possible to have that little on had, as if you or I have 20 left, we'd just shoot it.

$500 for 1,000 rounds of .223's a sounds like a good deal now, if it's brass. I'm just so used to seeing Tula at Walmart for $5(little more now), which of course are steel cased. Good luck on the deal!

I've been shooting up a lot of stuff lately and let that .22 LR get waaaaaay to low. It wasn't until my kid told me that we were down low on it, then I was like, WTF ? He shoots lots of .22. He shoots my .22 MK1, his MK3, and his Browning BLR 81. He uses more of it than I do. I should make him buy it. . Naaaah, I won't do that to him. He's full time college student and a part time employee. It's not really in his budget.

Yeah, the .223 is a deal. I meet with him next weekend at an alternate range to finalize the deal. All I had on me was about $60 something dollars so I could not give him a lot to hold it. He did not care, he was an old WWII vet. just out there having a good time. The guy practically raped me when I pulled out the old Mosin Nagant. His eyes lit up up like nothing else. He asked to see it, asked if he could fire it. Sure, why not. This old guy was reliving his WWII years firing this thing. Then the old time war stories started. Stories as to how many of these old pieces he found lying around in the fields of Germany, the ones he has brought back home with him, the M1's he has had, bought, sold. Just a good old guy. This same guy has an M77 Ruger Hawkeye .223 for sale as well .... $500, good deal as well. It has had just a handful of rounds put through it.

As far as the old Mosin went, I took it and 50 rounds with me today .... I did not get to fire 1 round out of it. It was all in good fun though.

 

[a6m5]

How did you not get to fire the Mosin Nagant?

You don't meet a lot of WWII Vets these days unfortunately..... Maybe it's just me, but Japanese, or American(two kinds I've met), they were some of the coolest, or nicest people I've met through life. You hear about these post-traumatic stress stuff these days, and you know we can't even really understand what WWII Vets experienced in their war. IMO, war today is a child's play compared to the World War II, and impression I have of these vets, at least the ones I had pleasure of meeting are that they are just remarkable people. 👍

 

[Zenith]

As a good friend of a Marine who suffered through PTSD, I definitely would not call war today child's play. It's just different. There are a variety of ways somebody can get PTSD, WWI and WWII commonly saw classic shell shock. Current wars in Derkaderkistan involve walking and driving around populated areas much like any American town, then suddenly things become very violent. There's no uniformed enemy, there's no obvious battles ahead, there's just normal life, then violence. The reason why PTSD is affecting veterans returning to normal life is because the traumatic experiences start in the same scene as the ones they see at home. WWII wasn't like that. A common problem for WWII veterans was fireworks. A common problem for modern veterans are crowds. It's very telling.

 

[a6m5]

Sorry, perhaps wrong wording. I still believe that WWII was a war of life & death in absolute epic scale we never saw before, or after it. I think you may have a point that today's occupation-type duties might stress your mind more, but with the WWII, we are talking about dead bodies everywhere. Dads, husbands, friends, brothers from all sorts of countries were dropping like flies in air, land & sea. Not to mention that they even had to kill & risk lives just to secure even the most basic supplies.

I'm not gonna pretend to understand PTSD, or take anything away from the today's veterans suffering from them. Having said that, if I had a choice between serving in WWII, or Middle East, I would not hesitate for tenth of a second to go to the Middle East. Don't get me wrong. If WWII had to fought again, with so much on the line like in that war, I would choose to fight for freedom against the Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan(sorry grandpas lol).

 

[Maiden93]

So, a month ago, or probably more now, I was trying to find myself a pistol. I found the one I wanted and was willing to pay the full retail price, just to get it. The gun i was wanting is the H&K HK45. But, my searches went on with trying to find one, and I'm convinced that the gun is impossible to find. I live in Louisiana and have called authorized dealers in my state, Arkansas, and Mississippi. Every time, the same answer "No, we don't have any and don't know when we're getting more". Each dealer was saying that h&k isn't sending more to them until everything gun wise is cleared up with the government and other official agencies. So, at this time, I'm just going to save my money and hopefully get it when it's available again. I was thinking of getting a .22 long rifle thats not too much, like a Remington 597, just to shoot around and practice with.

 

[Omnis]

HK45? Yeah, better start saving that money.

 

[Michael88]

Sorry, perhaps wrong wording. I still believe that WWII was a war of life & death in absolute epic scale we never saw before, or after it.

Yep, back then everyone was fighting for their very existence and the lives of their families back home. It was a war against invasion and complete extermination. And that for years. You can't compare that to any modern war.
In the later stages of WWII soldiers couldn't even take care of their wounded and had to mercy-kill them or leave them behind which often resulted in mutilation and torture, on some bad days more than 1000 soldiers died on each side.

If you want to get an idea of how completely insane WWII was I can recommend the memoirs of Sepp Allersberger - he was an Austrian sniper on the eastern front with a confirmed kill count of (AFAIK) 400+. That book is quite the eye-opener and some chapters make modern horror movies seem like children's films. .
http://www.amazon.com/Sniper-Eastern-Front-Memoirs-Allerberger/dp/1844153177

 

[Nicksfix]

I'm at about 3,500 on the .22LR,

Psssst .... wanna sell some ? {J/K}
I heard more griping and growling from several people today about the scarcity of this stuff. Unbelievable about this stuff.

How did you not get to fire the Mosin Nagant?

After the WWII Vet calmly relieved me of it, it just kind of found it's way down the line. It was being passed around like a newborn child. With each passing of the hands, I have to say, and I respect these people for doing so, but each one of them who fired it, asked permission to do so. Kinda cool 👍. It wasn't until someone finally called out "who owns the Mosin" ? I raised my hand, only to hear a reply of "you got any more ammo" . The cool thing was after it circulated around, a member came up to me, handed it back to me and slipped a $20 dollar bill into my shirt pocket, saying "thanks, we had fun with it, and here's for the ammo we shot up".

You don't meet a lot of WWII Vets these days unfortunately..... Maybe it's just me, but Japanese, or American(two kinds I've met), they were some of the coolest, or nicest people I've met through life.

Indeed, there are few and far in between WWII Vets left. Korean Vets are even becoming scarce. This old WWII Vet, you would never ever gues he was in his 90's. The old guy can still get it .... good god, this old man can still shoot that M1 with the best of them.

As a good friend of a Marine who suffered through PTSD, I definitely would not call war today child's play. It's just different. There are a variety of ways somebody can get PTSD, WWI and WWII commonly saw classic shell shock. Current wars in Derkaderkistan involve walking and driving around populated areas much like any American town, then suddenly things become very violent. There's no uniformed enemy, there's no obvious battles ahead, there's just normal life, then violence. The reason why PTSD is affecting veterans returning to normal life is because the traumatic experiences start in the same scene as the ones they see at home. WWII wasn't like that. A common problem for WWII veterans was fireworks. A common problem for modern veterans are crowds. It's very telling.

When my father (rip) came back from Korea, he suffered mildly from this. Mom told us kids to never approach my father while he was asleep and attempt to wake him by shaking him, let alone even touching him. Dad would come up swinging hard and at the same time, grabbing for a gun. I made this mistake one time as a youth. Somehow, luckily, I was able to dodge his backhand and get the hell away from him in the nick of time. Sis, she too made the same mistake. She also somehow managed to dodge him. You quickly learn what impact the war played on people.

So, a month ago, or probably more now, I was trying to find myself a pistol. I found the one I wanted and was willing to pay the full retail price, just to get it. The gun i was wanting is the H&K HK45. But, my searches went on with trying to find one, and I'm convinced that the gun is impossible to find. I live in Louisiana and have called authorized dealers in my state, Arkansas, and Mississippi. Every time, the same answer "No, we don't have any and don't know when we're getting more". Each dealer was saying that h&k isn't sending more to them until everything gun wise is cleared up with the government and other official agencies. So, at this time, I'm just going to save my money and hopefully get it when it's available again. I was thinking of getting a .22 long rifle thats not too much, like a Remington 597, just to shoot around and practice with.

Nice gun .... big taste. They are available ... if you can come up with around $1200.00. As Omnis said ......

HK45? Yeah, better start saving that money.

 

[BrutherSuperior]

So, a month ago, or probably more now, I was trying to find myself a pistol. I found the one I wanted and was willing to pay the full retail price, just to get it. The gun i was wanting is the H&K HK45. But, my searches went on with trying to find one, and I'm convinced that the gun is impossible to find. I live in Louisiana and have called authorized dealers in my state, Arkansas, and Mississippi. Every time, the same answer "No, we don't have any and don't know when we're getting more". Each dealer was saying that h&k isn't sending more to them until everything gun wise is cleared up with the government and other official agencies. So, at this time, I'm just going to save my money and hopefully get it when it's available again. I was thinking of getting a .22 long rifle thats not too much, like a Remington 597, just to shoot around and practice with.

Coming from a guy who has owned a few HKs - get the compact. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it will be the better shooting gun. While these are the latest & greatest from HK, I wouldn't trade one of my USPs for one. Of the 3 USPs I did own, the one I liked the least was the full sized 45 Tactical and the one that shoots the best is the CT. The Mk23 is more of a novelty piece IMO.

CDNN is probably your best bet to find anything HK. Have you given them a call?

Stay away from HKPro & Gunbroker. HKPro, historically, has had stupid high prices on used/NIB HKs. I sold my 45 Tac on Gunbroker within hours on Superbowl Sunday (during the game) for $400 more than I paid for it new from CDNN. Had 2 other bids before someone chose the "Buy Now" price.

...amazing

Then again; 12rd mags and a scary threaded barrel would put it squarely in the "ban" section of damn near every new gun law. An 8rd mag in a pistol with a >4" barrel, like an HK Compact 45, will not be banned...it'd piss off all the 1911 guys

 

[a6m5]

So, a month ago, or probably more now, I was trying to find myself a pistol. I found the one I wanted and was willing to pay the full retail price, just to get it. The gun i was wanting is the H&K HK45. But, my searches went on with trying to find one, and I'm convinced that the gun is impossible to find. I live in Louisiana and have called authorized dealers in my state, Arkansas, and Mississippi. Every time, the same answer "No, we don't have any and don't know when we're getting more". Each dealer was saying that h&k isn't sending more to them until everything gun wise is cleared up with the government and other official agencies. So, at this time, I'm just going to save my money and hopefully get it when it's available again. I was thinking of getting a .22 long rifle thats not too much, like a Remington 597, just to shoot around and practice with.

I have a 597, and strongly recommend you look at a Ruger 10/22. My 597 jammed like crazy new, which ended up being defective magazine commonly seen in earlier production. I've bought new standard magazine + three extended banana clips(let it go Z-Man ), and it's been trouble free since. Still, amount of accessories available for 10/22 versus 597's just crazy. Basically, nobody bought 597. When I bought mine, it was my first gun & I knew nothing about them.

If you want .22, rifle's fine & dandy, but you don't want a handgun? I recently bought a SR22(Ruger) & am pretty happy with it, considering the retail price of $300. 👍

Yep, back then everyone was fighting for their very existence and the lives of their families back home. It was a war against invasion and complete extermination. And that for years. You can't compare that to any modern war.
In the later stages of WWII soldiers couldn't even take care of their wounded and had to mercy-kill them or leave them behind which often resulted in mutilation and torture, on some bad days more than 1000 soldiers died on each side.

If you want to get an idea of how completely insane WWII was I can recommend the memoirs of Sepp Allersberger - he was an Austrian sniper on the eastern front with a confirmed kill count of (AFAIK) 400+. That book is quite the eye-opener and some chapters make modern horror movies seem like children's films. .
http://www.amazon.com/Sniper-Eastern-Front-Memoirs-Allerberger/dp/1844153177

That's where I'm coming from. Just the degree of the battle, survival, destruction, I honestly can't imagine how horrific it must've been for those guys & how brave you had to be.

Is this book by the same sniper you mentioned before? I might check that out. Thanks! 👍

Psssst .... wanna sell some ? {J/K}
I heard more griping and growling from several people today about the scarcity of this stuff. Unbelievable about this stuff.

There are people around me who are stockpiling this stuff. Kind of annoying when some guy who has 10,000+ of 22LR's buy the limit at the store, still trying to cheat the limit to buy more, when there are people with just a box or two left wasting time & gas looking for this stuff.

After the WWII Vet calmly relieved me of it, it just kind of found it's way down the line. It was being passed around like a newborn child. With each passing of the hands, I have to say, and I respect these people for doing so, but each one of them who fired it, asked permission to do so. Kinda cool 👍. It wasn't until someone finally called out "who owns the Mosin" ? I raised my hand, only to hear a reply of "you got any more ammo" . The cool thing was after it circulated around, a member came up to me, handed it back to me and slipped a $20 dollar bill into my shirt pocket, saying "thanks, we had fun with it, and here's for the ammo we shot up".

Unbelievable. Well, at least you gotta $20 & cool story out of it!

The old guy can still get it .... good god, this old man can still shoot that M1 with the best of them.

Like riding a bike, I guess. Awesome.

When my father (rip) came back from Korea, he suffered mildly from this. Mom told us kids to never approach my father while he was asleep and attempt to wake him by shaking him, let alone even touching him. Dad would come up swinging hard and at the same time, grabbing for a gun. I made this mistake one time as a youth. Somehow, luckily, I was able to dodge his backhand and get the hell away from him in the nick of time. Sis, she too made the same mistake. She also somehow managed to dodge him. You quickly learn what impact the war played on people.

I have a guy at work who does the same thing when I jump out to scare him. Over the years, he's connected on couple of those.

Grandpa from my dad's side suffered from it, I was told. Just bunch of nightmare stuff, I guess. He'd never talk about the war, he was part of a submarine crew.

 

[Zenith]

 

[a6m5]

You win this time. 👍

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

HK45? Yeah, better start saving that money.

Save money and then some, I have heard too many horror HK stories, and the fact that there are other guns on the market that can do as well or better for less...Gun doesn't seem worth it.

 

[Brett]

[ . . . ] three extended banana clips(let it go Z-Man ) [ . . . ]

He is not the only one this bugs.

That is probably illegal in most states. Too scary.

 

[Michael88]

Is this book by the same sniper you mentioned before? I might check that out. Thanks! 👍

Yeah, that book is a must read! 👍

I'm currently checking out those three point slings, I've always liked the idea of being able to carry a long gun in more than just one way (over the shoulder.) I especially like the option to carry it in front of my chest which is very comfortable and I'm ready to shoulder it in a split second that way. (Patrol ready) Thats the way we carried our Steyr AUG in the military.
Also, there is no way of losing the rifle with such sling.

 

[Zenith]

I haven't heard much good about 3 point slings. Okay, I'll be honest. I've heard they're the worst thing in the world. Never used one though, I just love 2 point slings.

 

[Michael88]

No matter how bad they are, they must be better than 2 point slings, I simply can't use two point slings, even the anti-slip rubber ones, they always slip from my shoulder even during the slightest movements.
I guess thats because of my trapezius muscle which has grown pretty large thanks to my exercise routine, from my shoulder joint up to my neck there is no flat spot for a sling, thats why they just slip off.
Slung over my neck/back it takes me ages to reach all the way back to get my rifle ready and properly shouldered so a 3-point sling is the best option for me.

 

[a6m5]

I'm fascinated by the three-point slings, but like z-man said, there is so much negative opinion about them out there. Besides, isn't it the 'normal carry' that shoots .223 in soldier's legs?

In my head, three-point is much superior to the traditional slings, but I guess I won't know until I've tried it....... or wait until our test-mule tries it & give us a feedback.

I got my scope today, but I am pretty bummed. First the good news, it's hella fine looking scope(if it looks crooked, it's tightened w/just 2 screws):

Now to the suck:

1) After Made in USA(Oregon) advertised everywhere by Redfield, including their official website, I assumed this was going to be an American made scope. It seems that their products are made in the USA, except the 'Revenge" series scope I had purchased. This thing is made in Philippines. No offense to the Filipinos(my good friend is one), but 👎

2) I checked out the next higher power 'Revenge' scope at a local store, and I got the impression that eye relief was going to be little bit better than the scope I got today.

These things are common when you cheap out, and that's what I get for $130(shipping included). Just one of those "suck", I wouldn't care too much, but combined, it doesn't make me too happy(certainly not mad). On the bright side, this scope looks really cool, much better in person. It'll do for now, and worst case scenario, I should be able to sell it at minor loss. *shrug*

 

[Zenith]

You should be able to return it and get credit towards a more expensive one if you don't like it.

 

[a6m5]

You should be able to return it and get credit towards a more expensive one if you don't like it.

I got it online, and about $40 cheaper than local retail, so there just isn't that much incentive in it for me to send it back, paying for return shipping.

Besides, it's not really bad. It's still got nice(and local) lifetime warranty, shock tested, water/fog proof & all that. I should get decent quick detach scope mount though.

 

[Maiden93]

Coming from a guy who has owned a few HKs - get the compact. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it will be the better shooting gun. While these are the latest & greatest from HK, I wouldn't trade one of my USPs for one. Of the 3 USPs I did own, the one I liked the least was the full sized 45 Tactical and the one that shoots the best is the CT. The Mk23 is more of a novelty piece IMO.

CDNN is probably your best bet to find anything HK. Have you given them a call?

Stay away from HKPro & Gunbroker. HKPro, historically, has had stupid high prices on used/NIB HKs. I sold my 45 Tac on Gunbroker within hours on Superbowl Sunday (during the game) for $400 more than I paid for it new from CDNN. Had 2 other bids before someone chose the "Buy Now" price.

...amazing

Then again; 12rd mags and a scary threaded barrel would put it squarely in the "ban" section of damn near every new gun law. An 8rd mag in a pistol with a >4" barrel, like an HK Compact 45, will not be banned...it'd piss off all the 1911 guys

Helpful info for sure. I haven't tried them. I have the money enough for the gun. That was what I was saying. I have the money, and told the people on the phone I did, but nowhere around here had any. I was half-way considering the compact if I did get it. But, like you reinforced, I don't know how many of these gun's they are going to put out with the gun laws. Especially the tactical ones.

 

[Maiden93]

I have a 597, and strongly recommend you look at a Ruger 10/22. My 597 jammed like crazy new, which ended up being defective magazine commonly seen in earlier production. I've bought new standard magazine + three extended banana clips(let it go Z-Man ), and it's been trouble free since. Still, amount of accessories available for 10/22 versus 597's just crazy. Basically, nobody bought 597. When I bought mine, it was my first gun & I knew nothing about them.

If you want .22, rifle's fine & dandy, but you don't want a handgun? I recently bought a SR22(Ruger) & am pretty happy with it, considering the retail price of $300. 👍

Really!? I had heard decent reviews on the gun. Thanks for the heads up. I looked into the 10/22 a little and am still considering it also. It's honestly only about $100 more than the 597.

 

[a6m5]

Really!? I had heard decent reviews on the gun. Thanks for the heads up. I looked into the 10/22 a little and am still considering it also. It's honestly only about $100 more than the 597.

Well, I think the problem was only with earlier production like mine. But if you plan on keeping the rifle forever(you should always have a keeper .22LR rifle), I don't know about $100 more, but 10/22 I think is clearly the better choice. I'm just stuck with mine, because if I sell mine, 1) it will have to be dirt cheap & 2) 10/22 cost a lot more today than when I should have bought it. I just hope it doesn't go kaput on me(bolt handle is suspect.....).

Here's a old pic of my 597(I have a cheap scope on it now):

Another shot of my Bushmaster. I like this shot a lot better than the last one:

 

[Maiden93]

Well, I think the problem was only with earlier production like mine. But if you plan on keeping the rifle forever(you should always have a keeper .22LR rifle), I don't know about $100 more, but 10/22 I think is clearly the better choice. I'm just stuck with mine, because if I sell mine, 1) it will have to be dirt cheap & 2) 10/22 cost a lot more today than when I should have bought it. I just hope it doesn't go kaput on me(bolt handle is suspect.....).

Here's a old pic of my 597(I have a cheap scope on it now):

Another shot of my Bushmaster. I like this shot a lot better than the last one:

The ones on the website are around $360-$400 for the 10/22. I even think that's a little much, but for the reliability, maybe. I'm not sure if the reviews I saw were for the older or newer. Very nice set up on the bushmaster. I own one, but it's completely stock. I was also curious, does anyone else on the forum have a tec-9? I'm lucky, besides the reliability of the gun lol, to own an Intratech Tec-9. The gun is a HUGE jam magnet. But, that's what I've seen out of every tec-9 I've looked up reviews for. It's a pretty cool gun of you get over the jamming part.

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, jamming is not fun. I can not believe the prices you saw for the 10/22. When I bought my 597, it was $185-ish, so I'm sure 10/22 was also right there. I had no idea they were going for that much.

Thanks for the compliment on my Bushmaster. 👍 It was a .308 MOE, so they actually came stock with most of Magpul stuff you see on there.

 

[Maiden93]

Yeah, jamming is not fun. I can not believe the prices you saw for the 10/22. When I bought my 597, it was $185-ish, so I'm sure 10/22 was also right there. I had no idea they were going for that much.

Thanks for the compliment on my Bushmaster. 👍 It was a .308 MOE, so they actually came stock with most of Magpul stuff you see on there.

Yeah. It doesn't hang bullets, it actually jams them. Bad. To the point that the lead is condensed farther into the casing. I've gotten used to it doing it now though, so I can pull it back and throw the bad shell out pretty quick.
I wish I could have gotten the .308 Bushmaster. Mine is the .223. Random question, but have you ever thought of getting a 50-100 round drum clip for your's? I'mnot ssure if they make .308 versions of it, I'm thinking they would, but I know they have .223. I have looked at them, but not gotten too many good reviews as far as reliability.
The 597 goes for...$265-$300 now. Like I said, the 10/22 goes for about $365-$400. But that's retail too. I found one at a store not far from here for about $265. So, same price as the 597, theoretically.

 

[a6m5]

Yeah. It doesn't hang bullets, it actually jams them. Bad. To the point that the lead is condensed farther into the casing. I've gotten used to it doing it now though, so I can pull it back and throw the bad shell out pretty quick.

Jesus, you got more patience than me. I'd be trading that in for Glock so fast.

I wish I could have gotten the .308 Bushmaster. Mine is the .223. Random question, but have you ever thought of getting a 50-100 round drum clip for your's? I'mnot ssure if they make .308 versions of it, I'm thinking they would, but I know they have .223. I have looked at them, but not gotten too many good reviews as far as reliability.

It's cool to look at those things, but I'd never get one. I don't have complete confidence on the AR design to start with, so I'd never invest in any accessory that may lower its' reliability. I'm a fan of AK & the reliability that rifle comes with, but I've had a crush on M16 since I was a kid, combined with the low price of the .308 version($1180-ish with Magpul parts already on it), I ditched the idea of AK47, or .308 Saiga. Before z-man bite my head off I'm not taking shots at AR design, it's just that AK47 reliability is legendary. AK has its drawbacks, obviously.

The 597 goes for...$265-$300 now. Like I said, the 10/22 goes for about $365-$400. But that's retail too. I found one at a store not far from here for about $265. So, same price as the 597, theoretically.

God, I would have very hard time shelling out $300+ for a .22LR. For that, I'd rather buy a .22LR pistol, personally. Maybe a used .22LR rifle? I don't know much about them, but anybody in here familiar with Savage, Marlin, etc?

I guess $265's a pretty good deal.

 

[Maiden93]

Jesus, you got more patience than me. I'd be trading that in for Glock so fast.

It's cool to look at those things, but I'd never get one. I don't have complete confidence on the AR design to start with, so I'd never invest in any accessory that may lower its' reliability. I'm a fan of AK & the reliability that rifle comes with, but I've had a crush on M16 since I was a kid, combined with the low price of the .308 version($1180-ish with Magpul parts already on it), I ditched the idea of AK47, or .308 Saiga. Before z-man bite my head off I'm not taking shots at AR design, it's just that AK47 reliability is legendary. AK has its drawbacks, obviously.

God, I would have very hard time shelling out $300+ for a .22LR. For that, I'd rather buy a .22LR pistol, personally. Maybe a used .22LR rifle? I don't know much about them, but anybody in here familiar with Savage, Marlin, etc?

I guess $265's a pretty good deal.

Lol. The reason I haven't traded the tec-9 in is for two reasons: 1.its not worth hardly anything($300 for a completely unfired one) 2. My dad gave it to me, so it's kind of like an heirloom lol.

Like you said, I don't really like putting something on my weapons that will make it less reliable. I've currently been looking to add some newer accessories to my Hi-Point .45 Carbine. They have some decently cool ones for it that are just handy. I put a double magazine holder on it, so now, with one clip in ready to go, I have two more fully loaded waiting to be used on the gun. Just something that helps with time and ease of use. A muzzle break would be nice on it though.

I definitely am gonna have to throw down at least that $265 to get a .22 long rifle because I don't have one and need it for my BOB.