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I had a P89 in 9mm, and loved it. At the time, Ruger had it up against the Baretta for the contracts for the feds. Ruger lost , but I read something in a magazine that said to me, "buy that gun."

For whatever reason, in testing the gun they threaded the barrel, plugged it with a bolt, and fired it. The only damage was the ejector broke out, its pin sheared. They repaired it and continued with their testing.

I had no issues with the gun whatsoever, but for some idiotic reason sold it so I could by a DA-only 9mm. Stupidest thing I ever did.
 
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As I said I would share, here're the guns in question.

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I think the .22 bolt action is a Winchester 72, and after hearing some details from my dad from when my grandpa first got it, the gun was brand new somewhere between 1945 and 1955.

Edit: No clue what the shotty is, though.
 
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Bah, I'm sad! Today I wanted to pick up my .44 magnum Taurus revolver I ordered a couple days ago as Christmas present for myself, when I had it on the counter and inspected it for cylinder gap etc. I was not happy with the quality. Worst thing was the cylinder stop, with a cocked hammer the cylinder had a lot of wiggle left and right, on each chamber.
I did not buy it.

Maybe I've become a gun snob, I was not happy with the quality of the last couple guns I had in my hands either, there was always something wrong with them. I know a lot of people who are happy with their Taurus revolvers, but as I said I'm not liking the tolerances of the guns, especially on powerful calibers.
You like what you like and there is nothing wrong with that. Better to make that decision at the gun counter instead of the gun range.
Just learned that my dad and I inherited my grandfather's firearms. The only one we explicitly know the make and model of is a .45 ACP Ruger P90. There's a pump action shotgun and a .22 bolt action. As soon as I know more (and have the appropriate literature and safe storage, etc. set up) I can share some photos. All of them are 1980s or so, from my understanding.
Sorry for your loss if your grand father recently passed away. But on a positive note, looking forward to see what you've inherited.
 
You like what you like and there is nothing wrong with that. Better to make that decision at the gun counter instead of the gun range.

Sorry for your loss if your grand father recently passed away. But on a positive note, looking forward to see what you've inherited.
Thank you. My last post has the guns I'm inheriting.
 
So I went to the store and left with a .357 revolver. :dopey: This is a Czech clone of a 686, though in some ways its even better. Compared it side to side with a S&W 686, lockup etc. feels exactly the same but the cylinder is recessed for the cartridge rims which S&W stopped doing in the 80's because it takes a lot of machining and the finishing felt a little better on the Czech revolver as well.

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Have to say, when it comes to efficiency and utility I'm going with my Glocks, but dang it - revolvers are so damn cool and sexy you absolutely got to have at least one. And I checked some of the load data for .357, apparently out of a 6'' you can get 125 grainers safely to and even over 1800 fp/s.
 
Just ordered a Holosun gold-dot. I was looking for a small red dot and stumbled across a Holosun micro that has a gold reticle/dot. I had no idea dot sights existed in colors other than red & green.
Apparently it is made for color blind people but I did a little research and it seems to be a pretty good color for a lot of dim environments.

I hope I won't regret getting the gold color dot version, its just so cool I had to buy it. :dopey:
 
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I have a few more things coming. One should be here next week. The other may be a bit longer.
One is supposed to be here tomorrow. Depending on what time it arrives, I may or may not be able to pick it up tomorrow. It may have to wait until Wednesday. I have no idea on the other.
The other that I spoke of was delivered today. There is no chance of being able to swing by today to pick it up. Tomorrow will be the earliest.
 
The other that I spoke of was delivered today. There is no chance of being able to swing by today to pick it up. Tomorrow will be the earliest.
I managed to make it just before the store closed yesterday, but I was able to pick up the "Blem" KP-15 Ambi lower that I had order early in December. I put blem in quotes because the blemish is that little "nick" to the right of the sling slot at the rear of the buttstock. It is not even really a nick. The finish texture there is just a little different and barely noticeably different to the touch. Having that blemish was well worth the reduced cost.

Here is that lower with the previously alluded to BRN-180 upper. The BRN-180 is topped with a Vortex Crossfire.

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I also picked up another SHTF Wrap from KE Arms for this BRN-180 upper. A number of videos mentioned the handguard heating up very quickly and the SHTF Wrap have seemed to work well from everything I have seen in videos. At some point, I will make it to the range and find out.

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And here is that rifle with my other KP-15 lower:

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@Michael88 - if Call of Duty is any accurate, there’s also smiley face red dot sights.

Isn’t Holosun a pretty affordable manufacturer overall?
Holosun is pretty much what 90% of the guys with AK's and AR's are running, they've become the standard. Running 2 holosun dots myself and they cost little, work forever and are good quality. Only thing to complain about is the dots are not really dots but mostly ovals/brackets, but that's only noticeable if you use a magnifier in combination with very high settings and only when you are doing long range shots with it, I could hold 1 MOA at 100yds with a holosun and magnifier no problem.

So if you are planning on doing 200+yds long range work in mostly very bright areas where you need high illumination settings you may be better off with a high quality $$ brand or, even better, an LPVO.
I managed to make it just before the store closed yesterday, but I was able to pick up the "Blem" KP-15 Ambi lower that I had order early in December. I put blem in quotes because the blemish is that little "nick" to the right of the sling slot at the rear of the buttstock. It is not even really a nick. The finish texture there is just a little different and barely noticeably different to the touch. Having that blemish was well worth the reduced cost.

I also picked up another SHTF Wrap from KE Arms for this BRN-180 upper. A number of videos mentioned the handguard heating up very quickly and the SHTF Wrap have seemed to work well from everything I have seen in videos. At some point, I will make it to the range and find out.
Very nice, the BRN-180 is a sweet upper I've been interested in myself since they released it, and fits well with the synthetic lower.

If your hand guard is heating up, have you considered a front grip instead of the wrap? I run front grips on my AR's not just because they give me better control but also to get my hand away from the heat. (I'm not a fan of the c-clamp style gripping technique.)
 
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Very nice, the BRN-180 is a sweet upper I've been interested in myself since they released it, and fits well with the synthetic lower.

If your hand guard is heating up, have you considered a front grip instead of the wrap? I run front grips on my AR's not just because they give me better control but also to get my hand away from the heat. (I'm not a fan of the c-clamp style gripping technique.)
I have some grip panels and a grip stop from Slate Black Industries sitting around that I might use. For now, I just threw the wrap on there.
 
I haven't had much to contribute to the thread, but I hope you guys enjoy this one. I purposely waited a few months before making this post to ensure that I am giving you guys an honest review and accounts of my experience.

A few months ago I purchased an Arex Rex Zero 1 TC (Tactical Compact) and made it my EDC. This particular model of the Arex Rex Zero 1 series caught my attention because I wanted an optics-ready, double-action single-action handgun with a manual safety and decocker. I also wanted something with a compact length barrel and full-size grip. An added bonus to this gun is that it comes with a threaded barrel (I will try to shoot with a friend’s suppressor soon), suppressor height sights, a 15-round magazine and a 17-round magazine. One of the handguns I considered purchasing was a suppressor ready CZ P07 but there were a few things I did not like about it. I felt the grip was too short for my liking and the gun can only be configured with a manual safety or decocker rather than both. I would also have to spend an additional $300 through CZ Custom to have the slide milled along with new front and rear iron sights. Then purchase a Trijicon RMR because CZ Custom only mills P07 and P09 slides for Trijicon RMR red dot sights. Another gun I really considered purchasing was the optics-ready Smith & Wesson M&P M2.0 Compact with a 4” barrel and manual safety. This gun was just about everything I was looking for but I was dead set on getting something that was double-action single-action. For months I could not find an Arex TC for less than $800. Then one day I got lucky and found an online vendor who had a few brand new Arex TC’s for less than $600.

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Shortly after picking up the Arex from my FFL, I installed a Vortex Viper red dot sight I had laying around and ordered two 20-round mags. I also ordered an appendix carry holster from Renaissance Firearms but had to deal with a 5-week lead time.

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While waiting for my holster I took the Arex to the range several times to get acquainted with the manual of arms. One of the problems I ran into with the Arex was the slide no locking back when the last round was fired from the magazine. I attribute this to user error because I noticed that I was riding the slide catch decocker lever while firing the Arex. Another problem I ran into was the slide stop spring not providing enough tension against the slide stop. Sure I could always use the slide catch decocker lever but in order to manually charge the firearm, the slide had to be racked twice to clear the slide stop. Initially I thought it was a matter of breaking-in the firearm but most of the problems I saw online were issues with the decocker not functioning properly.. After watching several assembly and disassembly videos, I bent the slide stop spring and that solved my problem. The only other issue I have come across with the Arex is that there practically no aftermarket support when compared to other well known gun brands. My buddies and I plan on doing a few USPSA and 3-gun matches this year. I recently began to look for a retention holster to fit my Arex so that I can compete with it.

I have been appendix carrying for the past few months and I am still in the trial and error phase. The concept of appendix carry isn’t anything new, but I chose to give it a try because of the benefits I have seen over traditional inside the waistband 5 - 6 o’clock carry. During this time I also lost 20 lbs simply from diet and working out. Because of this, I had to get rid of every pair of shorts and pants I have purchased after 2010 simply because they were all too big. I’m telling you guys this because all of this affected my experience with appendix carry.

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The holster model I purchased from Renaissance Firearms is called the Fupa. I choose Renaissance Firearms because of Youtube reviews and the fact that Chip (owner) is one of the only vendors that makes appendix carry holsters for the Arex Rex Zero 1 series. Chip’s holsters are made to order and because he is a one man shop, his lead times are 3-5 weeks. When I received my holster I paired the holster with my 5.11 Operator belt and began to carry with this setup on a daily basis. At the beginning I felt like I was concealed carrying for the very first time and kept on checking to make sure that I was not printing the 17-round mag. WIth my larger clothes I found myself constantly tightening my belt and eventually getting to a point that it became too tight. After purchasing the right size pants and finding what I believe is the right amount of belt tension, I still find myself adjusting my holster every couple of hours because of the molded wedge on the backside of the holster.

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I am not really sure about the molded wedge being necessary because of the pressure it puts against my pelvic bone. Also, considering the holster also has a claw, I find it somewhat difficult to agree with its necessity, but maybe someone with more experience can explain why it is needed.. Aside from these problems, the holster has kept my firearm very secure. The belt clip is surprisingly sturdy, but in terms of weight distribution I wonder how it compares to other holsters with two belt clips.
 
That's a really nice looking pistol and its features surely makes it one of the best (not better than Glock but close :D )- How is the DA trigger pull? Would you carry it hammer cocked and safety engaged or are you confident in making a good first DA shot? How quick are you with the RMR?
 
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I know about Arex because of Polenar Tactical. I remember them talking about some of their pistol being similar to Sig's P226/P229. I wonder if P226/P229 holster would be a good option.
 
That's a really nice looking pistol and its features surely makes it one of the best (not better than Glock but close :D )- How is the DA trigger pull? Would you carry it hammer cocked and safety engaged or are you confident in making a good first DA shot? How quick are you with the RMR?
The DA trigger pull isn't that bad to be honest with you and I genuinely believe I can make a decent first shot. I don't have a trigger pull gauge, but I feel like it is lighter than the DA pull of a Beretta 92. Although I can carry it "cocked-n-locked" like a 1911, I usually carry with the hammer forward and safety engaged. I haven't gone out to the desert with this gun yet. But based upon some dry fire drills I have been running at home, from concealment to presentation (sights on target) I am quicker with iron sights. But when it comes to target transition (moving from one target to another), I am faster with the red dot.
 
I know about Arex because of Polenar Tactical. I remember them talking about some of their pistol being similar to Sig's P226/P229. I wonder if P226/P229 holster would be a good option.
I was hoping the Arex would fit a P226/P229 holster but based upon what have read online, they don't 🙁. The guys and gal at Polenar Tactical are awesome. I like their videos and their disassembly/assembly video of the Arex Rex Zero 1 helped me diagnose the problem with my slide stop. How have things been going with your BRN-180?
 
I was hoping the Arex would fit a P226/P229 holster but based upon what have read online, they don't 🙁. The guys and gal at Polenar Tactical are awesome. I like their videos and their disassembly/assembly video of the Arex Rex Zero 1 helped me diagnose the problem with my slide stop. How have things been going with your BRN-180?
I have not shot it yet. It looks great on the KP-15 lower. Everything fits together nicely. Dry firing has been good with the SLT-1 trigger and the bolt runs smoothly while dry firing. It is noticeably heavier than the AR in the picture I posted, but not too bad. I am glad I bought it because it will be a fun alternative to an AR-15.

Also, this is a nice bonus to the BRN-180 on a KP-15 lower:



Other than choring around the house, I have not had the motivation to do much of anything on the weekends. I really need to get out to the range and shoot everything I own. It has been way too long.
 
@Brett I literally laughed out loud when I watched that video. In regards to getting out to shoot, how is ammo available in your area?

@Michael88 what is your opinion about the Super 30? I just recently found out about this.


I just heard about the .30 super carry and I think it will not catch on - 9mm does the job so well there is no place for a new cartridge.-

We already have 15 rounds 9mm in a very compact package like the Glock 43X or 13 rounds with the hellcat so for me it makes little sense to step down from 9mm to .30 - which is a significant step down for a handgun projectile which typically needs big diameter projectiles to cause good expansion for mechanical damage- just for a couple extra rounds in the tank.

As for size, the .30 SC would allow for even smaller frame guns (single stack) with a acceptable capacity but boy, the Glock 43x and the hellcat are so small I can hardly imagine an even smaller gun still being practical and shootable.

So in a nutshell, I think 15 rounds in a 9mm is plenty enough for self defense, I think going for an even weaker / smaller diameter round as 9mm is a baaaad idea and as even smaller guns than the Hellcat are IMO impractical I see little use in that round.

I do not carry myself as this is not possible where I live, but if I could carry a gun I'd take a Glock 30S .45 with a 13 round magazine. I did a lot of testing with various 9mm and .45 ACP HP loads (I do reload) in wetpacks and gel and let me tell you, the .45 performs so much better than any 9mm I tested its not even funny. And its still very controllable and fast to shoot.
 


30 Super 100 Grain
380 Auto 99 Grain9mm 124 Grain
Penetration 15.5"9.95"14.5"
Expansion.530".588".571"
Velocity1250 FPS1030 FPS1150 FPS
Energy347 FT-LBS223 FT-LBS364 FT-LBS
Capacity20% More Than 9mm
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While the 30 Super looks very promising, what I am most concerned about is cost. On Federal's website they state that a box of 30 Super will be equivalent to the cost of a box of 380 Auto loaded with the same bullet type. For my use I don't necessarily see a need to switch 30 Super either. The numbers look good but they aren't earth shattering when compared to 9mm. However, as a suitable substitute I would definitely run 30 Super if I couldn't find 9mm.

Edit: @Michael88 what kind of numbers (ballistics) were you seeing with you 45ACP vs 9mm handloads?
 
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Edit: @Michael88 what kind of numbers (ballistics) were you seeing with you 45ACP vs 9mm handloads?
Thats easily explained, equal penetration as the 9mm but with a LOT more expansion, and that with only a little more recoil than the 9mm. A .45 like that in a platform that is easily concealed and has a capacity of 10+ makes it a better option for me than any 9mm. And before anyone says I don't like the 9mm, I own a G17 and love it, its my second favorite firearm of all the time.

I tested a really hot load ( 1200 fps) with a 124 grain Hornady XTP and it only expanded to about .55, the Gold Dot about the same, a far cry from the .80+ of the 45's, which I loaded to only 850 fp/s.

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@Brett I literally laughed out loud when I watched that video. In regards to getting out to shoot, how is ammo available in your area?
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I have basically not been looking, except checking SGAmmo here and there not very often to see how much they have in stock. I have had a decent stock of ammo for a while and since I have not been to the range, I have not had a big need to buy any.
 
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Coming back a few years later, wanted to ask what site you all use to judge the current market as I'm hesitant to ask a gun shop that'll probably low-ball me on the '87 King Cobra I inherited w/ the AR-7.
 
Update: Going to be a while before I get my grandpa's guns. His wife is being weird about some stuff right now, likely grief related.

Dad and I are going to look around at local stores and look at their inventory to see what's available to us.
 
Coming back a few years later, wanted to ask what site you all use to judge the current market as I'm hesitant to ask a gun shop that'll probably low-ball me on the '87 King Cobra I inherited w/ the AR-7.
You can always just find a similar listing on gunbroker or other auction sites and watch what it does. That would be the best indication of what people are actually willing to pay in private sales. Otherwise find a local FFL willing to do an appraisal, not necessarily for the price they will give you. They are always going to try to make 20-30% on the resale. I'd expect that gun to be in the $2-2.5k range but obviously it could vary a lot depending on wear and the specific features.
 
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I just decided to try an RMR on my Glock. Just ordered the adapter plate, still not sure if I should go with the Vortex Venom or the Viper.

The viper needs to be taken off of the gun to switch the battery but its adjustments can be locked down with extra screws so it holds zero even better than any other sight. The Viper also uses the 2032 batteries which I use in all my other dots on rifles etc while the Venom uses the less common 1632. But the venom has a top-loading battery compartment and apparently a slightly bigger glass for field of view. The Viper looks a little sturdier tho. And then there is 3 MOA vs 6 MOA dot.

Man, thats hard. 😬
 
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I just decided to try an RMR on my Glock. Just ordered the adapter plate, still not sure if I should go with the Vortex Venom or the Viper.

The viper needs to be taken off of the gun to switch the battery but its adjustments can be locked down with extra screws so it holds zero even better than any other sight. The Viper also uses the 2032 batteries which I use in all my other dots on rifles etc while the Venom uses the less common 1632. But the venom has a top-loading battery compartment and apparently a slightly bigger glass for field of view. The Viper looks a little sturdier tho. And then there is 3 MOA vs 6 MOA dot.

Man, thats hard. 😬
I currently own both red dots and have them on different firearms. The Venom is currently mounted onto a CZ Scorpion and the Viper onto an Arex Rex Zero 1. The Venom has a 3 MOA reticle and the Viper has a 6 MOA reticle.

In terms of sturdiness I think both red dots are practically equal. Even though you can't lock your zero on the Venom. I set the zero on my Venom years ago and never looked back. The only negative thing I have to say about the Venom is that I dislike how small the buttons are. As for the Viper, I dislike the fact that you have to remove it from the firearm to change the battery. Both red dots have the same battery life and I got 3 years of use out of the battery for my Venom. The other thing I dislike about the Viper is not being able to access the zero locks because the red dot is mount in front of my rear sight on my Arex. When I first mounted the Viper to the Arex, I unscrewed the zero lock and intended to tighten the screws after I finished sighting in the Arex. Well... When I got home from the range I noticed that those screws were gone. Fortunately Vortex has awesome customer service, I called then and told them what happened. Even though it was clearly my fault, they sent me a new set of screws free of charge. Other than that, both red dots have been great.

In regards to reticle size, try them both and see which you prefer. If it were my choice, I would go with the 6 MOA reticle.
 
Coming back a few years later, wanted to ask what site you all use to judge the current market as I'm hesitant to ask a gun shop that'll probably low-ball me on the '87 King Cobra I inherited w/ the AR-7.
Check out Gunbroker.com then go to a few of your local gun stores to see what they will offer you. If you don't like their offer, take your firearm home and list it online for what you believe is a fair price. Of course once the firearm is sold you will have to ship it through a FFL to the FFL of your buyer.

Edit: I think you might want to hold onto that King Cobra for awhile. An older coworker (Brad) of mine oftens tells me the story about how a former coworker of his was short of cash and was willing to sell Brad his King Cobra for a very good price. Brad declined and still kicks himself in the rear till this day for not buying that King Cobra when he had the chance, considering how much they have gone up in value.
 
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I currently own both red dots and have them on different firearms. The Venom is currently mounted onto a CZ Scorpion and the Viper onto an Arex Rex Zero 1. The Venom has a 3 MOA reticle and the Viper has a 6 MOA reticle.

In terms of sturdiness I think both red dots are practically equal. Even though you can't lock your zero on the Venom. I set the zero on my Venom years ago and never looked back. The only negative thing I have to say about the Venom is that I dislike how small the buttons are. As for the Viper, I dislike the fact that you have to remove it from the firearm to change the battery. Both red dots have the same battery life and I got 3 years of use out of the battery for my Venom. The other thing I dislike about the Viper is not being able to access the zero locks because the red dot is mount in front of my rear sight on my Arex. When I first mounted the Viper to the Arex, I unscrewed the zero lock and intended to tighten the screws after I finished sighting in the Arex. Well... When I got home from the range I noticed that those screws were gone. Fortunately Vortex has awesome customer service, I called then and told them what happened. Even though it was clearly my fault, they sent me a new set of screws free of charge. Other than that, both red dots have been great.

In regards to reticle size, try them both and see which you prefer. If it were my choice, I would go with the 6 MOA reticle.
Thanks for the input! I just ordered the Venom, the convenience of being able to change batteries without taking the dot off won me over, lol. Also, apparently the venom is a little more forgiving sicne it has a little bit bigger lens.
I have heard about Vortex having very good customer service and warranties - thats always very reassuring, especially nowadays.

Oh and I went with the 6 MOA dot. I read a ton of opinions about dot size, but what really sold me on the 6 MOA dot was that its apparently less shaky - which is my main concern with a dot on a handgun.
 
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