Recovering from a crash - do you also lose THAT much time?
- Thread starter FKAustria1911
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- FluffaRaptor
ok now you're definitely trolling. In real races if you wreck your either dead or done for the day
It was a banana, i watched that one
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- Nando_deBem
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I acknowledge that some things are tougher to represent, and I acknowledge this game is trying to appeal to a particular mass consumption level too. I get that there are some race modes that allow for more customization too. But I thought that your sort of standing in daily modes, ranking, all that sportsmanship stuff was going to add up to more. And just to bring it back to the main point, I think, it's crazy maybe, but I think that people would really gravitate to realistic crashes (not ghosting) as you rank up more. Especially if you kept the penalties in for bad play like they are at this point.
One thing I will say too, is that I think there should be some race modes where manual shifting, and no auto braking and steering are enforced. That too would do a lot to making racers have to deal with somewhat more realistic racing, and allow for catch ups in daily races. Maybe not all modes, but one of those 3 daily modes should. Unless I am missing something in that, but I didn't see any of that enforced.
One thing I will say too, is that I think there should be some race modes where manual shifting, and no auto braking and steering are enforced. That too would do a lot to making racers have to deal with somewhat more realistic racing, and allow for catch ups in daily races. Maybe not all modes, but one of those 3 daily modes should. Unless I am missing something in that, but I didn't see any of that enforced.
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- FluffaRaptor
That's sort of taking the reverse of what I'm saying, John.
If you have racers at E and D levels, there should be something other than going up just one spot in nearly every race. A lead car is going to crash. Or run into traffic. He's not going to get a pass with some fax autobraking, or auto steering mechanism. Crashes happen, the clean racers advance. That's how it should be. Not someone ghosting through a car because they really don't have to care if it is there.
The OP would be able to catch up if he raced clean. If he crashed, oh well. The question here isn't should you get a big penalty after a crash, the obvious answer is yes. The question is why can't you catch up to someone after they crash? That's insane.
If you have racers at E and D levels, there should be something other than going up just one spot in nearly every race. A lead car is going to crash. Or run into traffic. He's not going to get a pass with some fax autobraking, or auto steering mechanism. Crashes happen, the clean racers advance. That's how it should be. Not someone ghosting through a car because they really don't have to care if it is there.
The OP would be able to catch up if he raced clean. If he crashed, oh well. The question here isn't should you get a big penalty after a crash, the obvious answer is yes. The question is why can't you catch up to someone after they crash? That's insane.
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- Nando_deBem
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- FluffaRaptor
Oh, so you're blaming your failure to catch up on others use of assists? I mean, if you watch thee replays you can see exactly which assists they were using (if any at all) and whether or not they made mistakes. It sounds to me like you're upset others are able to keep a tidy race when you arent. People are ALOT better than AI and they are much more difficult to beat becuase of it. I have never got a win in sport mode where I had a major wreck, you have to be pretty perfect to beat most people. Its hard
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@nando. I've been in a ton of races where I have seen cars take the lead by simply passing through the car in front of them, after ramming them from behind. Because they're not going to crash, they don't care about the sportsmanship penalty, and they take the line they want regardless of the vehicle in front of them. *shrug*
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@KelRiever Ghosting is much less prevalent when you rank up. It's set to high in Dr D. Above that cars ghost if the are travelling excessively slowly, or they are being lapped (unfortunately the were problems with lapped cars intentionally taking out the leaders).
There are pages of people arguing about assists on here. You're not alone in seeking to have races without them. For the most part, using assists will make you slower. That's the handicap for using them.
There are pages of people arguing about assists on here. You're not alone in seeking to have races without them. For the most part, using assists will make you slower. That's the handicap for using them.
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Im not trying to be a dick but are you reading what you write?? In real life guys that crash or spin off do not catch up to the cars ahead. Guys are looking to gain a couple tenths of a second per lap, where are they supposed to find 20 seconds over a few laps because of a spin or off road excursion? In road racing crashes are not common place, sure it happens but I dont think to the point where competitors expect to pick up spots in a short race. Just this morning I picked up 14 spots and 8 spots (minimum, it could have been 9) All I did was not wreck a run laps about 1 second off of fast time. I cant say I agree with you about finishing races in my starting spot. Im B/S and race with drivers of similar rank.
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I am afraid the OP probably spends too much time with GTS's excremental AI. Perhaps he isn't aware how much rubber-banding happens when you lose time offline..?
I am afraid REAL players don't wait for you to catch up. The AI does.
I am afraid REAL players don't wait for you to catch up. The AI does.
@fastone, I don't know if you understand what I'm saying. I am saying exactly that. If a person crashes, they should not get to catch up, I'm sorry. But ghosting prevents this, the unrealistic way you shoot off the road and come right back like all you did was go over some slightly rough pavement sometimes, that's what I'm talking about. People in GT pass through cars, no problem, hit walls, no problem, run off the track, no problem, and stay within their position, maybe lose one maybe gain one. If you're, 6th, 14th, 20th, the guy 5 cars ahead of you wrecking should not still be 5 cars ahead of you, or only 4 cars ahead of you.
Anyway, I don't know how else to explain it. I pretty much came to my conclusion, and like the OP said, his thread is about his tips and his race so go for it.
Anyway, I don't know how else to explain it. I pretty much came to my conclusion, and like the OP said, his thread is about his tips and his race so go for it.
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- Nando_deBem
No, I must have said something wrong, its not about being able to catch up or not catch up. Its about being pinned to your placement. So you can't catch racers ahead because when they crash it doesn't matter. Nor will you lose your position because when you crash does it hurt you really.
crash, or unrealistic effects, whatever, I'm saying when you place, that's pretty much where you finish, +1 or -1 slot, in daily's. That's what happens when you have unrealistic racing.
I'm going to try some lobbies. That sounds like the best policy for more realistic races when it comes to GT, so I'll go with John's advice.
crash, or unrealistic effects, whatever, I'm saying when you place, that's pretty much where you finish, +1 or -1 slot, in daily's. That's what happens when you have unrealistic racing.
I'm going to try some lobbies. That sounds like the best policy for more realistic races when it comes to GT, so I'll go with John's advice.
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^ I don't see it, John. When I race, pretty much I don't see a serious effect when I hit a wall. Or when I hit another car. Yes, there's a slowing down but again, like I said, I see people literally aiming down a line and passing through other race cars without issue.
Someone said it changes at higher class levels, which I'm hoping it will. If I go for it that long. Probably with some casual car unlocking it will happen I'll see about it then.
Someone said it changes at higher class levels, which I'm hoping it will. If I go for it that long. Probably with some casual car unlocking it will happen I'll see about it then.
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Just to be clear if anyone was in doubt: the point was to see if there are better ways to recover from a crash in the sense of time lost between the start of the crash until you are back to normal racing speed on the track. Any other form of catching up after that is not within the scope of this thread as I do not see the point of that and it is not really related to the crash.
Of course one could argue that the game should be "realistic" and "simulate" the nonsense we have in F1 with lapped cars allowed to lap themselves back if there is a safety car phase. But thankfully we don't have stupid safety cars in GTS (at least none doing a safety car job) and thank god we don't have such an idiotic rule in GTS with lapped cars being allowed to gain a lap for no reason at all.
Of course one could argue that the game should be "realistic" and "simulate" the nonsense we have in F1 with lapped cars allowed to lap themselves back if there is a safety car phase. But thankfully we don't have stupid safety cars in GTS (at least none doing a safety car job) and thank god we don't have such an idiotic rule in GTS with lapped cars being allowed to gain a lap for no reason at all.
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..and with good reason!
Backmarkers trying to shoot the leading cars off the track adds nothing to a game, this doesn't happen in the real world.
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You've completed 13 Sport races. Your driver rating is in the GTS equivalent of a training diaper. Yes, the racing is different. Until you can pass the guy in front, you can't pass the guy in front. Nor do you deserve his/her position if you can't do that much. Pass when they crash, overcook it, make a mistake...all good. If you deserve the position you'll keep it. If not, you'll be seeing the same taillights driving past you again. "Git gud", as they say on the interwebs.
There is a video of the exact opposite of this happening that literally started this thread. Try harder. Either crashing doesn't matter and the video is a fake or crashing does matter and he will go on to return to his original position (+/-1) by passing a dozen cars.
Tell me, in your vast experiences outside of Gran Turismo Sport, what game has "realistic PVP racing" as you keep saying GTS does not replicate? If you can't name one that does it well 100%, tell me the pieces of games that do it well. Or don't. I'm not sure I care.
@FKAustria1911 Yes, I lose loads of time when I bin it.
~25 seconds seems about right for a major crash/spin like yours was. There's no quick way of getting back on the tarmac that I've found other than never using 1st on the grass. 
Even then you're dealing with the weird transmission engagement when you're stopped or barely moving. Feels like I'm riding the clutch or something. 
I don't do much outside the FIA races, where they have not reset my car ever that I recall, but I imagine it could happen in lower DR/SR rankings in other daily races where the ghosting is also more aggressive. As @BallPtPenTheif pointed out, you can some times make it back past the "Mad Max" group if you don't end up as collateral damage but realistically not much further up the totem pole than that, depending on length of the race and when you crash. Disappointing when it happens but that's just sort of how it is. Dust off and get the next one.Similar threads
