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They were involved in the crash on lap 1.
Still a bit of a stinker to basically DNF at a live event though...
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Still a bit of a stinker to basically DNF at a live event though...
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There’s nothing to confirm this yet, so just a gut feeling, but I think we’re going to see months alternating between a new wet track (and I believe all layouts will be added at once as was the case with RBR) and a new real world track with the occasional fictitious track added.
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As far as I know, it's more of an F-MR layout. So, handling would be pretty good compared to normal MR cars. Even though many FR race cars will try to set the engine as low and far back into engine bay as possible, I'm not sure how PD positioned the engine in the Jag, Supra(though it has a characteristically short wheelbase) and Hyundai. I'm also unsure of the Lexus, Aston and BMW(is just a big car- the AMG is about 150mm shorter, the new M8 is even longer than the M6).
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Did anyone there take a look around for some new cars/features?
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Audi's rear tyre wear stopped them doing well, not mistakes or strategy. They simply can't do a 9 lap stint on softs like the Mercedes can, so really doesn't matter how good they drive, they are never going to do well in that type of race.
They made an extra stop over everyone else and didn’t maximise their soft/medium tyre with their quickest driver.
MR means more weight over the rear equals more traction. Generally more oversteery in corners due to the weight transfer. The FRs are more like front mid engine'd nowadays as the engine is as far back over (or behind) the front axle as possible. However, still less inherent traction as the weight is further forward and a tendency toward understeer. ideally you want weight in the middle of the car as the best overall balance; Weight transfer, moments of inertia etc. Wet weather puts the emphasis on traction. Using the RBR which has long straights into slow corners onto long straights, so a sequence of drag races broken up with a shorter sequence of flowing bends makes it a serious advantage to the MR cars in wet weather - hence they were all at the front.
The turbo comment could be down to the nature of the power delivery as the car comes on boost, not as linear or predictable as a nat-asp engine and liable to break traction as the boost comes in. No surprise the Supra is a pig in the wet as it can be a challenging car to hook up in the dry.
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This article was published by Andrew Evans (@Famine) on September 13th, 2019 in the Esports category.
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I think only Lexus has really been collected by the Peugeot.
Hyundai has a 43k DR driver from NA, not even A+. Actually one of the originally qualified drivers couldn't go, and they had to cycle through to the 4th or 5th reserve. He's not even the first Hyundai driver from his region. So yeah, he's definitely not in the same league. Good for him he's able to enjoy the trip and experience though, don't be mean to the guy, he's just been called there for free holidays, who would pass on that ?
Also Hyundai was not a super popular manufacturer this season so it didn't have the strongest driver lineup to begin with, relatively to the other ones.
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Wow, a wet race on TOKYO EXPRESSWAY. Unbelievable
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Boring races. Had to watch at 2x speed to avoid falling asleep. Commentators probably were falling asleep as well, as they almost missed the pit strategies from Ford and Audi.
Kudos to PD for trying, but this new format is a failure, imo. Two long races and some drivers couldn't do more than 2 laps total? Ended up being a competition of two Mercedes drivers vs no one else, because race 1 was so unbalanced that some cars wouldn't win even if Jesus Christ was behind the wheel.
Change back to multiple races quick, PD! Maybe add one or two laps more for each race and try to make the intervals between races shorter? Other suggestions:
- Let us know who's driving. Commentators tend to focus on specific drivers and battles and ignore most of the field.
- Test the combos to see if they make sense. Rain looks great, but wasting half of the event on a race that was more about controlling traction and staying on track doesn't make a good show for viewers. We want to see who's the world's fastest, not the luckiest.
Kudos to PD for trying, but this new format is a failure, imo. Two long races and some drivers couldn't do more than 2 laps total? Ended up being a competition of two Mercedes drivers vs no one else, because race 1 was so unbalanced that some cars wouldn't win even if Jesus Christ was behind the wheel.
Change back to multiple races quick, PD! Maybe add one or two laps more for each race and try to make the intervals between races shorter? Other suggestions:
- Let us know who's driving. Commentators tend to focus on specific drivers and battles and ignore most of the field.
- Test the combos to see if they make sense. Rain looks great, but wasting half of the event on a race that was more about controlling traction and staying on track doesn't make a good show for viewers. We want to see who's the world's fastest, not the luckiest.
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Just finished watching, good fun as always.
I am ok with the longer race format, however I feel the double points is a bit weird with only 2 races.
Also, I feel in 17 lap races, it should be 4 laps minimum per driver, it's a team effort. Getting the opportunity to compete in a event like this, and only do a couple of laps must be a bit disheartening.
Just my two cents.
Otherwise, solid production as always, splendid stuff
I am ok with the longer race format, however I feel the double points is a bit weird with only 2 races.
Also, I feel in 17 lap races, it should be 4 laps minimum per driver, it's a team effort. Getting the opportunity to compete in a event like this, and only do a couple of laps must be a bit disheartening.
Just my two cents.
Otherwise, solid production as always, splendid stuff
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I was a Hyundai driver this go around. Had a few good events, got 2nd at Monza. Just didn't have the time to participate in all of the events. My work schedule makes it almost impossible to participate in the Wednesday events. Either way I thought about changing to Ford or BMW for the next season but I'm sort of motivated to stick with Hyundai.
Edit: And congrats to the Jaguar guys for a solid run at Spa.
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Just finished watching, good fun as always.
I am ok with the longer race format, however I feel the double points is a bit weird with only 2 races.
Also, I feel in 17 lap races, it should be 4 laps minimum per driver, it's a team effort. Getting the opportunity to compete in a event like this, and only do a couple of laps must be a bit disheartening.
Just my two cents.
Otherwise, solid production as always, splendid stuff
With both races having the same number of laps and the same length of time, I wonder if we should stop the semi-final/final format and have something closer to a real championship, with every World Tour having two events and giving the same amount of points each time. Maybe it wouldn't work with the Nations Cup (with players sometimes being unavailable and all) but I see no problem applying this to the Manufacturers Cup. The short races with short-term goals just makes everyone desperate.
Guys, before you start criticising who attends and which brands qualify you need to be across the qualification process.
Hyundai irl is a terrible manufacturer imo but in the game it's decent enough that windfire conzio voltey and aspicito carried it to the world tour qualification. Don't forget the VW team in Nurburgring earlier this year and myself as a lucky pleb to rep aston. I can understand people saying how can a 40 something k DR go to the events but it's all about the player pool and the rules they have for backups.
Hyundai irl is a terrible manufacturer imo but in the game it's decent enough that windfire conzio voltey and aspicito carried it to the world tour qualification. Don't forget the VW team in Nurburgring earlier this year and myself as a lucky pleb to rep aston. I can understand people saying how can a 40 something k DR go to the events but it's all about the player pool and the rules they have for backups.
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You mean currently one of the most reliable car manufacturer in the world ?
Regarding the format, the problem is not the long races, it's choosing a track or condition on which it's well known half of the car perform significantly worse.
After the first race, basically more than half of the teams were eliminated from a possible event win, and considering how important the starting position in the second race is for tyre strategies, we knew that most of the field would not recover.
Then Peugeot crashed, scattering the field after few seconds, and meaning only Audi, Porsche or Mercedes could go for the win. Before then end of lap 1, the poor defense from Audi and Porsche allowed the Mercedes to pass them. The race was done here and nothing interesting happened.
And as always, the stewards were incompetent and let the two Audi punts in the first race go unpunished, as well as latkovsky ugly "defensive" move on the Peugeot.
That's for another discussion but it's my opinion (probably didn't need to say it in hindsight). I was trying to emphasise how good players can take an average car within the unbalanced bop to qualify for the live events but it's also so unpopular that the reserves don't have as high a DR as people expected. There are other people questioning Hyundai's qualification but they don't know the qualification process or the differences between the cars in the game.
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Just out of curiosity, for Manufacturers with 2 choices of cars for Gr.3 (e.g. Ford, Pug, Toyota), who decides which car to use? Is it PD or the competitors?
Looking at the cars, I'm not surprised the qualifiers turned out the way it did. MR cars will always have advantage in low traction conditions. The Merc is an anomaly because even amongst FR cars it has one of the best handling AND it's nat asp I believe which has a much smoother torque curve. Plus having strong drivers naturally. The other cars either have big heavy engines hanging out front, making them true FR instead of FM-R (Aston, Chevy, Jag) or they are based on sport sedans and not true sports cars (BMW, Lexus, Hyundai). I expect Toyota to be better honestly but both the FT1 and Supra have violent low down acceleration characteristics due to its turbo which will work against them in the wet.
Looking at the cars, I'm not surprised the qualifiers turned out the way it did. MR cars will always have advantage in low traction conditions. The Merc is an anomaly because even amongst FR cars it has one of the best handling AND it's nat asp I believe which has a much smoother torque curve. Plus having strong drivers naturally. The other cars either have big heavy engines hanging out front, making them true FR instead of FM-R (Aston, Chevy, Jag) or they are based on sport sedans and not true sports cars (BMW, Lexus, Hyundai). I expect Toyota to be better honestly but both the FT1 and Supra have violent low down acceleration characteristics due to its turbo which will work against them in the wet.
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I think a few manufacturers would be looking at DR:A drivers for their 3rd or 4th reserve driver. Obviously you have to be incredibly fortunate to get the call-up in that situation though.
Fun fact, if there are 2 withdrawals for Alfa Romeo in Tokyo, the person who will receive an invite is DR:B.
But the rules are transparent and based only on results so no complaints from me.
Fun fact, if there are 2 withdrawals for Alfa Romeo in Tokyo, the person who will receive an invite is DR:B.
But the rules are transparent and based only on results so no complaints from me.
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PD will indicate which car we drive on our briefing documents.
For Peugeot, it was a no win scenario. RCZ was great in the rain but the car's 6th gear was absolutely useless at Spa. Even without our crash, we had maybe 9th place pace at best. VGT would've been much better but I don't even want to imagine how it would've handle rain.
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