Reefer Madness! Saturday Classic Racing 10pm GMTOpen 

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I also was at 147 in the stratos offline. I'm just picking cars at random, I'm not practicing or comparing any of them, just picking what I feel like. I know which ones are fast just from racing against them, but I'm not going to try all of them to see what's best on each track. I think I'll do the 2002 next week and the Isuzu at the nordscheife after the stratos this week.

Yeah, the BMW was my car of choice for Laguna as well, but I may choose something else now just to be different.
It's not the Stratos (a touch twitchy)

Mine is twitchy twitchy too!

Nice pic on previous page Venari.

Looking forward to some good racing tonight (well 7am for me).
 
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Just did a race run in the ruf with very fast wear. Best lap 1.47.776 running mostly in the 49s then ran out of tyres on lap 10 - the rears were down to 2 which very quickly became 0. I'll try again aiming to conserve a little more, or may elect for a stop. Wasn't fuel limited like i was at Silverstone where I crossed the line on fumes.
 
I don't think tire wear will be an issue for me, my stratos seemed very stable and never spun the tires. my problem at Monaco is always running into the inside wall in the corners, especially in the back half of the track, I can almost never run a lap without crashing into one of them. No matter how many laps I run there I can't judge it properly.
 
my problem at Monaco is always running into the inside wall in the corners, especially in the back half of the track

Are you hitting then on entry before the apex, or after you commit to the throttle?

The second is harder to deal with - you have to wait a bit. :D

If it's the first... try leaving the car in gear and not changing down in the early part of braking. You hear racecars changing down, sure, but every time you change gear you're upsetting the brake balance of the car and grip on the driven wheels. In heavier roadcars on lower grip tyres, this is a bit of a problem. Try holding the higher gear and then banging down the ratios just before the apex when you've scrubbed off all the speed. You should find the car is better behaved on the entry requiring less control inputs to upset your line before coming off the brake.

The first can also be dealt with in tuning somewhat - for RWD cars at least. There are four ways to adjust your car's turn-in in tuning, apologies if you're heard this all before:

1: Spring rates
2: ARB rates
3: Brake balance
4: LSD Decel value

The problem with the first two of these is that they affect the whole car. The latter pair are easier to deal with.

First question: 1. Does the car seem to oversteer (tend to go inside of the racing line) or spin/become tailhappy under braking?

If yes, then you (may) need to reduce your rear brake bias. But you need to consider the second question: 2. Does the car simply become unstable off-throttle, or remain unstable after braking is removed?

If the answer to this is yes, you need to dial on more LSD Decel. For 450PP cars at roughly a tonne, you shouldn't need much LSD for acceleration. Values might typically range from 5 to 15 for both Initial and Accel. Certainly the stock 10/40/20 is far too aggressive. Let's say you're set at 10/10/20. Increase the decel by 10 at a time (in this case, to 10/10/30) and retry. You should find that the car is not turning in as aggressively as before when you hit the brakes.

The physics of this are relatively simple, if not obvious. Without an LSD, as you brake, while brake force is being applied at the brake bias you set, each rear tyre is braking independently. As you turn, the lightly loaded inner is more liable to lock, plus the outer rear (which is doing more work) is liable to lose grip laterally - and as soon as grip's gone, the tyre is more liable to lock. ABS helps, but it's a crutch.

With an LSD, as you come off the throttle, the LSD Decel value comes into play, and the LSD tries to tie both wheels to the same rotational speed. Not just speed is affected - the point is to also share torque/load/grip between the rear tyres. Effectively the outer rear tyre is gaining traction as it is sharing some of its load to the inner... this causes the car to rotate less - reducing oversteer. This effect is more pronounced as you brake, as the brake torque is also more even as the grip is more even between the wheels. The chances of one wheel locking are reduced - as the speed reduces due to the loss-of-grip-lockup, the LSD tries to share it out to the other tyre. If you do lock-up it's going to be both. This will snap the car out into a spin in a hurry and is a surefire way to let you know you have too much rear brake bias. :D

Increasing the LSD decel to 60 will illustrate this in gross terms. The car should now hardly turn-in at all compared to what you expect. You might find you stop very well, just not on the line you want. Finding a balance of LSD Decel and rear brake value is now your goal. :)

Oh. While we're talking LSDs, in the Golf I set it to 60/60/5. I'll take ALL THE TRACTION, please. I don't care where the tail's going under brakes, it's all front end for me. :D
 
Can't get 20 minutes out of the tyres on the ruf. I've tried the cosmo, the gallant and the quattro. Quattro looking like the best bet for me for Monaco. Shame as I did want to keep the same car for the whole season, but I'm happy the rules let me change
 
Are you hitting then on entry before the apex, or after you commit to the throttle?

The second is harder to deal with - you have to wait a bit. :D

If it's the first... try leaving the car in gear and not changing down in the early part of braking. You hear racecars changing down, sure, but every time you change gear you're upsetting the brake balance of the car and grip on the driven wheels. In heavier roadcars on lower grip tyres, this is a bit of a problem. Try holding the higher gear and then banging down the ratios just before the apex when you've scrubbed off all the speed. You should find the car is better behaved on the entry requiring less control inputs to upset your line before coming off the brake.

The first can also be dealt with in tuning somewhat - for RWD cars at least. There are four ways to adjust your car's turn-in in tuning, apologies if you're heard this all before:

1: Spring rates
2: ARB rates
3: Brake balance
4: LSD Decel value

The problem with the first two of these is that they affect the whole car. The latter pair are easier to deal with.

First question: 1. Does the car seem to oversteer (tend to go inside of the racing line) or spin/become tailhappy under braking?

If yes, then you (may) need to reduce your rear brake bias. But you need to consider the second question: 2. Does the car simply become unstable off-throttle, or remain unstable after braking is removed?

If the answer to this is yes, you need to dial on more LSD Decel. For 450PP cars at roughly a tonne, you shouldn't need much LSD for acceleration. Values might typically range from 5 to 15 for both Initial and Accel. Certainly the stock 10/40/20 is far too aggressive. Let's say you're set at 10/10/20. Increase the decel by 10 at a time (in this case, to 10/10/30) and retry. You should find that the car is not turning in as aggressively as before when you hit the brakes.

The physics of this are relatively simple, if not obvious. Without an LSD, as you brake, while brake force is being applied at the brake bias you set, each rear tyre is braking independently. As you turn, the lightly loaded inner is more liable to lock, plus the outer rear (which is doing more work) is liable to lose grip laterally - and as soon as grip's gone, the tyre is more liable to lock. ABS helps, but it's a crutch.

With an LSD, as you come off the throttle, the LSD Decel value comes into play, and the LSD tries to tie both wheels to the same rotational speed. Not just speed is affected - the point is to also share torque/load/grip between the rear tyres. Effectively the outer rear tyre is gaining traction as it is sharing some of its load to the inner... this causes the car to rotate less - reducing oversteer. This effect is more pronounced as you brake, as the brake torque is also more even as the grip is more even between the wheels. The chances of one wheel locking are reduced - as the speed reduces due to the loss-of-grip-lockup, the LSD tries to share it out to the other tyre. If you do lock-up it's going to be both. This will snap the car out into a spin in a hurry and is a surefire way to let you know you have too much rear brake bias. :D

Increasing the LSD decel to 60 will illustrate this in gross terms. The car should now hardly turn-in at all compared to what you expect. You might find you stop very well, just not on the line you want. Finding a balance of LSD Decel and rear brake value is now your goal. :)

Oh. While we're talking LSDs, in the Golf I set it to 60/60/5. I'll take ALL THE TRACTION, please. I don't care where the tail's going under brakes, it's all front end for me. :D

Nah it's nothing to do with losing control, it's just how I drive, I cut as close to the inside as possible and on city courses that usually doesn't work very often.
 
Heh, that was hilarious. I've gone through the vids and taken some 'photos'. Reefer - you and I were side-by-side from Massenet to Portier on the last lap. Ding, and indeed, dong. Call the stewards! Photos soon, will edit them into this post.

Good racing.

Edit: Couple of photos to get us going:

Clean start, turn 1, Sainte Devote.

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Approaching Massenet, lap 1.
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Venari already building a lead, the Esprit was a flying machine.

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The Classic Grand Hotel Vista, race 1.
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Buybon's Cosmo leads bcd's quattro 15AE out of the tunnel.
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Eran's GTO passes bcd cleanly, starting at the botton of the hill at Sainte Devote, finishing around Massenet - classic. Jocke's stylish black-over-black 2002 keeps pace.
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Venari, last lap at Piscine.
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Race 2, lap 1, Sainte Devote. Blue is away cleanly, Venari gives him room through the turn, and the pace of his Stratos is proven again.
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Pretty.
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Hotel once again, race 2 lap 1.
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Blue either brakes early or his Stratos gets upset at the crest entry of Massenet on lap 2(?), and Venari closes to his bumper.
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... only to run away again. Meanwhile, Joe Reefer is working hard as he sees Venari's tyres making the Bluebird a handful.
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Very hard! The green Stratos makes the pass through tunnel but wags its tail all the way down the hill and Reefer can't gather it up safely and Venari sneaks back through.
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And then, on the next lap, Buybon sails right on past the pair of them in the lightweight Cosmo.
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Arty shots of good racing in the Classics club (thumbnailed)


Reefer then harasses Venari again right up until the last lap (?) when this happens, starting at Massenet. He made the pass...
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...but couldn't quite keep the Stratos in line...
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..and there was doorhandle-to-doorhandle action all the way through Mirabeau...
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...and into Hotel...
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...and out of it... ...and through Bas, and into Portier!!!
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And then BANG! Arguably, Venari held on too long around the outside, clouted the barrier and bounced back off into Reefer's rear quarter. The tailhappy Stratos was true to form and Reefer's dreams of a podium in race 2 were done. :(
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That's really cool jocke, what program did you use for that?

Yes, thrills and spills galore at Côte d'Azur today.

It had everything; close and fast-racing, danger, injuries, elation, sacrifice.

Nine drivers giving their all for the ultimate prize: the right to lift the GT6 Classic Car Club Championship trophy lol.

The 2x20 min races will go down in history as one of the most spectacular Classic Car Races ever..

Here's how it happened, leg by leg, corner by corner... well, actually, no, that's not gonna happen.

Congrats to Verani and bloodyboyblue. Incredible speed in the Esprit Verani and I have to echo what buybon said afterwards: you were big enough to change cars for Race 2. Blue drove a blinder as did buybon! Well done to all.

I can tell you from a personal perspective that I didn't drive as well as I know I can. I wasn't clean, I wasn't tidy, I didn't look after my tyres and I was a full second down on my testing times. However, there was some good close racing, wonderful passing moves (by others on me!), and, on viewing the replay(s), I'm pleased to say there was some great driving on display. Unfortunately I don't have the time to write a full race report just now but I did find the time to snap a few pictures (below). Thanks to all who came along. Jocke, that was an incredible last lap you put in with tyre wear down to 1 or 2. I urge you all to go and take a look at jocke's lap. I don't know how you kept going jocke. Truly inspirational; you just never gave up. Check it out!

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Hello, nice pictures! This series looks so fine, I'd love to join. It's been about half a year since I played racing games so I'm rusty (and I was never really good to begin with :lol:). I'm a casual but I drive with a wheel (DFGT). My only concern is tuning - I suffer from tuningofobia but I'd like to participate anyway :)
 
The GTP tuning database is really very useful, try it. I use a DS3 at the moment, so my tunes are a bit different (i.e. may not work well with a wheel) but anyone who asks, shall receive.

Famine asked me to help with the tuning bit in the GTPedia, but it really didn't come across too well. I've been meaning to write a 'how to tune a car' guide thread for ages, based on real world methodology. Maybe it's time.
 
Hello, nice pictures! This series looks so fine, I'd love to join. It's been about half a year since I played racing games so I'm rusty (and I was never really good to begin with :lol:). I'm a casual but I drive with a wheel (DFGT). My only concern is tuning - I suffer from tuningofobia but I'd like to participate anyway :)

Hi Gerber, you're welcome to come along mate - we're always looking for clean drivers. Get in some practice before Laguna next week and we'll hopefully see you there.
 
Great pictures guys and both races for me were excellent. Big thumbs up to venari for switching to a more level car and get involved in some racing. Well done to blue and venari for their wins, and a warm welcome to my auld mate @JockeP22 , good to see you on the grid. Looking forward to next week
 
First race, I took it easy for the first few laps behind reefer with jocke on my bumper (happy for that, haven't been able to race with jocke in months and it reminded me of that Plymouth XNR race at spa) and passed reefer when I had an opportunity (barely). After about lap 2 or 3 I drove at 100 percent the rest of the race but venari got to 11 seconds ahead and we maintain that distance apart for the entire rest of the race.

The second race I was mildly surprised to see venari change cars but I probably would have done that too if I ran away with a race on a track I liked. I still figured he'd be fast enough to win though judging on how fast reefer's bluebird was last week. But I managed to pass him at the start and then never was challenged again really, so I just cruised around for the entire race at about about 60 percent, and then went 100 percent on the last lap to see how many seconds I could gain on buybon, I went from 7 ahead to 10, and almost crashed twice. My sliding down the front straight at the finish was by accident haha.

I only hit the inside wall once during both races, on the last lap of race 2! (And twice in qualifying!) I still wasn't really competitive though, running 147s the majority of the race laps.

That was my first win ever in a points-paying series, and only my fourth ever in an organized club or series in GT6. Safe to say it doesn't happen very often, I usually run bang in the middle of most series I run, and also safe to say this should be the first time I've ever led the points in anything. Here's hoping that continues.
 
Jocke's stylish black-over-black 2002 keeps pace.
That wasn't me, mate.
I had my BMW 2002 aptly painted in 'Monaco White'.

When I woke up, bttf 2 was playing...again.
Great Sco... oh nevermind.
:lol:

That's really cool jocke, what program did you use for that?
Thanks Joe.
PS3>Phone>Photoshop trying out many different layers in between.
I can spend a lot of time on just one photo even though I
have no idea what I'm doing. Just trying out every single option
available and sometimes it turns out cool, sometimes not.

Jocke, that was an incredible last lap you put in with tyre wear down to 1 or 2. I urge you all to go and take a look at jocke's lap. I don't know how you kept going jocke. Truly inspirational; you just never gave up. Check it out!

Thank you for noticing my agonising experience on those final few laps in race #1. :lol:
It felt great to be able to keep up with the Strati of you and blue for three quarters
of the race, but as my tires faded I was nowhere.

I was surprised about that as I had tested the Stratos and thought it would run out of tyres
faster than the 2002. One reason could be that I never touch the Initial Torque and/or the
Acceleration Sensitivity settings, so this might have killed my tyres sooner, I don't know.

It was great seeing buybon catch me up and pass me there at the end.
We've had a few battles at Monaco before (in the Z8, too). :)


In retrospect I should probably have pitted at half distance, because I lost about a minute
towards the end and the final laps, whereas a pit stop would only have taken ~30 seconds.
I had plenty of fuel left in the tank so that wouldn't have been necessary to top up.


I love Monaco and the GT6 version of the track (although graphically quite poor) is terrific
as the layout is very difficult and leaves no room for error. You need to be perfect in your
maneuvers. I have watched YouTube videos of Monaco races in Project Cars and the track
layout in that game is much easier than in GT6.

The Project Cars version has less barriers and more runoff areas at places like Sainte Devote
and Piscine. At least in the videos I've watched. So I much prefer the GT6 layout where it's
a lot more difficult and crowded, barriers everywhere and no time to relax.

Hopefully Polyphony will decide to upgrade Monaco at some point to include night racing there
and also improve on the surroundings. Even F1 2006 on the PS3 has a better looking Monaco
than GT6. It's just beautifully rendered in F1 '06 while GT6's Monaco appears to be PS2 graphics
(the buildings anyway).

Just look at the church to see my point. A photo I took in-game back in February.
Terrible.
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That was my first win ever in a points-paying series
Great job blue and as you said, first time we raced together in months.
Good to see you again.
 
MEET 2 Cote d'azur

Race 1 Results

1st
GTP_Venari_____25
2nd bloodyboyblue__18
3rd joe__kerr______15
4th buybon355_____12
5th JockeP22_______10
6th bcd73__________8
7th Dave76543210___6
8th iamtooma_______4
9th Eran003 DNF____0

Race 2 Results

1st
bloodyboyblue___25
2nd buybon355_____18
3rd GTP_Venari_____15
4th joe__kerr_______12
5th bcd73__________10
6th Dave76543210___8
7th iamtooma_______6
8th JockeP22_______(didn't complete 90% of the race)
9th Eran004 DNS____0


Driver Standings (after 2 meets/4 races)

1st buybon355 ______80
2nd bloodyboyblue___79
3rd joe__kerr _______57
4th GTP_Venari ______40
5th dave76543210 ___34
6th iamtooma _______30
7th bcd73 __________18
8th JockeP22 ________10
9th Eran0004 ________0

Please note: all up-to-date race results and the Driver Standings can be found on post #4 and 5

*The best 14 results from 16 races (8 week championship/2 races per meet minus the two lowest scoring races) will count towards the driver's total points score.
 
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Have someone done some testing already on Laguna Seca? I need a lap time for reference :)

EDIT: and what's the best way to test? Time trial, test in garage or host an online room (slightly different online physics)?
 
Hi gerber, I'd suggest creating your own online room to practice with full race settings. This will let you see how the tyres perform in race conditions. I ran the ruf at Silverstone but after trying it out at Monaco I discovered I couldn't make the tyres last. I wouldn't have know this by doing practice laps in free run mode. See how you get on, I aim to lose as little lap time as possible throughout the 20 minute race, so tyre management is key.
 
Gerber, first thing you should do when you come online (gtplantet) is check out JockeP22's ever-changing avatar. If so, your day will go much better!

After that, here's what I do: I fire up the ps3, go to my club (which you're welcome to join) and open a room for club members only. This way I get some privacy to test out 3 cars I'd like to run. First I test with tyre wear off for consistency in lap times, then I'll try the same 3 cars with tyre wear on. I'll then run 10-12 laps noting the times and tyre wear of each car. This is when I'll choose my car and make any necessary adjustments to the set up. Once I'm happy with the set up, then I'll practice for around 30 minutes to an hour each day with my preferred car. During practice I'm thinking about going as fast as I can while taking care of my tyres. A couple of days before race day I then open the room up to the public so that I can race with other cars, noting where other drivers brake etc.

Regarding a lap time at Laguna: 1:34.9 with tyre wear off and 1:35.7 with tyre wear on. However, when I set up the 20 minute endurance race (with tyre wear on/race settings etc) I usually run in the 1:36s. I'm not the fastest and my methodology of how I prepare for a race may be different from others, but I hope this helps you in some way.

Remember.. Jocke's avatar comes before anything else though!
 
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btw, there's a really simple solution to some cars being a little faster than others that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet. Think simple and you'll get it..
 
I have no idea what I'm doing.
I've always thought that. Keep it up though because it usually works out OK. ;)

Remember.. Jocke's avatar comes before anything else though!
I've said before it's like a flick book. Blink and you've missed a couple.

Well it seems this is the place to be on Saturday nights - or Sunday mornings! I've been watching the thread since I know a lot of the racers already.
Now the only trouble is that around the time of the races I'm usually involved in some family related stuff. But... sometimes I'm not. So Reefer if you don't mind a slightly random nature to my appearances I'd like to join in the fun here and there. You could treat me as a guest driver and not score me points, I wouldn't mind - since the fun is in the racing

there's a really simple solution to some cars being a little faster than others that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet.
Always be in front of them? :P
 
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Hi IfAndOr

Re Jocke's avatar:

I've said before it's like a flick book. Blink and you've missed a couple.

I find myself scrolling up and down the page every 5 minutes to see if it has changed. Total that time up over a day, a week, a month, a year and I could go down for stalking!

Well it seems this is the place to be on Saturday nights - or Sunday mornings! I've been watching the thread since I know a lot of the racers already.
Now the only trouble is that around the time of the races I'm usually involved in some family related stuff. But... sometimes I'm not. So Reefer if you don't mind a slightly random nature to my appearances I'd like to join in the fun here and there. You could treat me as a guest driver and not score me points, I wouldn't mind - since the fun is in the racing

When you're not busy with the family, I would be delighted to race with you. I've heard you're fast. Yeah, the fun is in the racing but racing for points adds a different dimension to how one races. Plus it makes it more interesting too. If your circumstances allow, bring your race craft along for an hour of fun and frolics and hopefully any points earned will be humbly accepted:cheers:

btw, there's a really simple solution to some cars being a little faster than others that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet. Think simple and you'll get it..

Always be in front of them? :P

Tried that but they're too goddam fast!

Hopefully see you on Saturday night mate.
 
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I've heard you're fast.
You'll need to check your sources there. :D
I do have my moments but consistent might be a better word. Or clean, I always like to think myself as a clean driver. In fact I'll go and have a wash now ready for Saturday.


Anyway thanks for the invite Reefer. On many Saturdays I might be able to make the first race and not the second or visa versa. Or both even, I'll see how it goes.

Since I might be irregular, are there any of the cars that you'd like me to use that are not being used much by the regulars? I haven't got that many of them yet so it would save me some time in setting them all up. And it might help add variety to your grids. I don't mind using one model throughout even.

Tried that but they're too goddam fast!
Yes I find that is a problem too. :crazy:
 
Thanks Venari! Good to have you onboard.

The 2015 Winter Classic Car Championship kicked off at Silverstone, the home of British motor racing, with 6 hopefuls lining up on the starting grid. There were no real dramas in the run-up to the start; invites had been sent out and testing had been done. The time was upon us to dust off the Old Girls and see if they could still perform! As this is a new Championship, I was happy to see Eran and slowmin joining 3 group musketeers plus myself (joe__kerr). Buybon entered the room as Race 2 was well underway so unfortunately we couldn't restart.

For personal reasons, and hopefully on this occasion only, I have decided not to write a Race Report as certain things surfaced after the race which reporting here would serve no purpose or end. Let’s put it this way; it lived up to it’s billed name of "Reefer Madness" ..and that wasn’t because of the driving standards which on the whole were very good! On viewing the replay everyone endeavoured to stay clean, however, paint was exchanged a couple of times and the Jag and Gordini were harried by a bit of RUF on a few occasions. Thanks to the drivers who turned up, finished and hung around for the chat at the end!

HOWEVER.. - IMPORTANT

We'll be restarting the Championship on Oct 31st. We're looking for drivers who would like to join us. All ability levels welcome as long as you're clean!

Two new rule changes will be implemented for the restart.

RULE CHANGES

1. Drivers can use any car on the list at anytime. There are now no restrictions on this.

2. Drivers can enter the Championship at any time, e.g. mid-season etc.

All welcome! Just shoot me an email first or get in contact.
I would like to try this I'm not super fast but I'm ok.......but I drive respectfully!!! PSN name: Ravens_Boi
 
I always like to think myself as a clean driver.

I'll second that Paul, Ultra clean and gentlemanly at all times. Look forward to seeing you on the grid.

It's funny, all the remaining gt6ers seem to gravitate towards all the same great rooms.

Joe, Tom et all, you should check out zolons Tuesday race room - racers reunited. Was formerly jockes club, which zolons now hosting. No idea how to insert a link, I'm sure @Zolon32 or @JockeP22 can help me out lol

Great mix of cars and events, from 600pp audis on comfort soft to the full senna progression starting with karts through to the lotus and everything in between. Plus he's a nice guy and a very fast clean racer.

That first bit was meant to appear as a quote. I'm actually oot ma depth
 
Laguna is a nice track to get right and a pig to get wrong. My testing puts me close to reefer, various cars' times (in full race conditions) range from the high 1m34s to the low 1m38s, with high 1m35s being 'good'. (No idea what the simple idea you are referring to is, @reefer !)

My chosen steeds for this weekend are neither the fastest nor the slowest, but they were nice and consistent...

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...and doesn't that Lamborghini satin black look as mean as on the GT-R?
 
Since I might be irregular, are there any of the cars that you'd like me to use that are not being used much by the regulars? I haven't got that many of them yet so it would save me some time in setting them all up. And it might help add variety to your grids. I don't mind using one model throughout even.

Hi mate, for this first championship feel free to run anything you're comfortable with. We're basically feeling our way into this first series, finding out what works and what doesn't and taking it from there.

Or clean, I always like to think myself as a clean driver. In fact I'll go and have a wash now ready for Saturday.

Don't forget to wash behind yer ears:sly:

I would like to try this I'm not super fast but I'm ok.......but I drive respectfully!!! PSN name: Ravens_Boi

Hi Ravens_Boi, come along on Saturday at 10pm - have a wash first of course - and we'll hopefully enjoy some good racing together. I'm not the fastest either but I enjoy it!

I'll second that Paul, Ultra clean and gentlemanly at all times. Look forward to seeing you on the grid.

IfAndOr, you must be Super clean if buybon is capitalising 'ultra'.

Joe, Tom et all, you should check out zolons Tuesday race room - racers reunited. Was formerly jockes club, which zolons now hosting.

Thanks for the heads up buybon. Always good to know to get a trusted recommendation:tup:

Laguna is a nice track to get right and a pig to get wrong.

I find it slightly more forgiving than other tracks. Hope I didn't open my big mouth too soon though as the dive down to the first few corners can get a bit hairy with a full quota of cars.

...and doesn't that Lamborghini satin black look as mean as on the GT-R?

Looking good mate, don't know about the strange lookin' dude in the middle though lol

...high 1m35s being 'good'.

I find low 1:36s a good lap.
 

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