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Doesnt take much to kill someone...
Rice+steet racing=Hated at GTP?
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It doesnt matter how far out of town you are or how many lanes there are. I thought you said you did it at a stoplight? Why would they put a stoplight ten miles out of town 
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advanR
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Talking you out of it doesnt look like its working. Im sure you will smarten up some time soon, maybe when you hit your twenties. Try autocrossing or track racing if you can, see if that helps you get ready to quit.
If not, just try and keep it safe. If you wont goto an autocross, go to empty parking lots and screw around, get to know how your car behaves when really pushed so you are ready for a situation like that if it happens on the street.
Draw some rules up for keeping things safe while racing. And get your friends to try and be safe aswell.
The sad thing is that you probably get your "high" from doing dangerous things. Dangerous things are unsafe things, so theres really no way to do it safely. Adrenaline is dangerous just like drugs. Drugs **** up your mind, and actions. Adrenaline will make you do stuff you know is dumb just to get it flowing.
Do something atleast safe for others to induce this adrenaline. Go bungy jumping with a cord thats a little worn or something. Play russian roullette. But seriously try some safe forms of racing. Drags arent everything, and like you said it gets boring. If you want to start road racing, but dont have the car for it, consider a go kart. A 125cc shifter kart will kill a 911 GT2 on an autocross track. They are ****ing monsters. 25-30hp, brembo brakes, tons of grip all for something that weighs nothing. Karts cost $2-6k. Buy one with a friend. I guarantee going 100mph inches away from the ground will get the adrenaline going faster than streetracing ever will.
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Yeah, nothing beats that. Still do that too. Next season starts soon. Maybe I will post pictures and some vids...
advanR
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70 sounds good. I thought you were getting your jollies when you felt like you might crash at any moment. Stay away from the limit of a car on public roads.
I speed sometimes too. 70 in a 55 is nothing, especially if the flow of traffic is going 75. Accelerating a bit from stop lights isnt too bad either, if you know what you are doing. Driving what I drive, I have to have a bit of fun now and then. Holding everything in for months in between track days is hard. But stay under your car control skill level. Dont try and impress anyone.
I speed sometimes too. 70 in a 55 is nothing, especially if the flow of traffic is going 75. Accelerating a bit from stop lights isnt too bad either, if you know what you are doing. Driving what I drive, I have to have a bit of fun now and then. Holding everything in for months in between track days is hard. But stay under your car control skill level. Dont try and impress anyone.
Joey D
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see its not like its really fast.
I've tried racing in a parking lot at school on a sunday but I got a inschool suspension for 1 day because I raced in the parking lot.
I can't autocross with my blazer. I'll flip it.
and there are lights out side of town.
I don't know of any place to kart race around here either and if I did I'd give it a try.
I've tried racing in a parking lot at school on a sunday but I got a inschool suspension for 1 day because I raced in the parking lot.
I can't autocross with my blazer. I'll flip it.
and there are lights out side of town.
I don't know of any place to kart race around here either and if I did I'd give it a try.
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If you want to impress, show them on the track where real racers are...
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If you want to race go to the track where racing is meant to be...
advanR
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let me know where you live. Ill find a place. There are kart tracks around most places. Go there and see whats up. The people will tell you a shop to go check out probably, or can help you find out what kind to buy. Maybe someone will let you drive theirs.
If you are seriously interested, checkout kartingforum.com and kartingauction.com
If you are seriously interested, checkout kartingforum.com and kartingauction.com
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Flying 300 MPH while doing a 3G turn (in a plane of course 
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You don't seem to realise what we're trying to say... let me tell you a story. It's the first time i let these things out, actually.
I remember, i used to think like you. I'd tell my parents i was going to the drive in to watch movies, but instead i'd go to the races to meet my friends. I didn't have anything spectacular, back then... a 1991 Acura Integra RS, that put out about 120hp at best. Yet i felt like i could take on anything. At first i didn't race much, i was shy to go and ask around for a race. I remember, though, the thrill of watching 2 cars line up and take off in the dark.
Then came my first race. An Isuzu Impulse. The guy didn't know how to drive, and i beat him. Then the cops came, and we barely made it out of there.
A few weeks later, my first warning came. I was racing a guy in an Eagle Talon that turned out to be quite faster than me. He had about 3 or 4 car lenghts on me, when all of a sudden, he hit a pothole, ripped off the right front wheel and crossed my line sideways at roughly 80-85 mph. I barely missed him.
I started to race for money. And lost a lot. I probably lost 1500$ in one single night. Second warning.
The 3rd, and last warning from nature came only a few days later. I had accepted to race a girl in an old Camaro. She got a huge jump on me, but she missed a shift, and i blew by her. She started to gain on me, and as i was hitting 115 mph, she was right on my door. I looked over my shoulder for a split second, to see where the other car was, and when i came back to look in front of me, disaster nearly struck. A truck was crossing the street, right in front of me. It was either hit the truck, or hit the curb, damage the car, and whatever else will happen after. I slammed on the brake, all 4 wheels locked. You have ZERO control on the steering when your brakes are locked. As i came to a stop, shaking and sweating, i wondered why the hell did i race that night... I nearly killed myself, and god knows how many were in that truck.
And then IT happened.
Hot spring night. Very hot. The kind of hot that starts rain showers when you least expect it. My friend Matt called me, asking if i wanted to go to the races. I was planning to spend the night with my girlfriend of then, and i did. I didn't go racing. Matt died that night.
Matt had a pretty serious machine, a 92 Mustang 5.0... He was one with his car. He enjoyed racing, he saw a thrill in that, just like you do. No one is really sure what exactly happened that night, but his car was found rolled up around a tree. From the accidents investigators that checked the accident's scene, it appears he hit a bump, and lost control when the rear wheels came back on the ground, shooting him off the road, straight at the tree. It was raining out there. Not raining hard, but raining enough so it'd be dangerous to speed on a deserted road. He stood no chance.
At first i didn't believe it. I went to the scene of the accident, and i remember breaking down, inside my car, all alone. I cried like a ****ing baby that day. In fact, i'm remembering all that as i write this, and all i want to do is go out there, and cry. I'm not mentally tough enough to accept that, and i never will. It will haunt me forever. I wake up at night, sweating, picturing his accident in my head.
You want to know what's worse? No one came to his help. The guy he was racing with vanished, the crowd vanished, they left him dying in his car. It was an old lady that called 911 a few hours after, but it was already too late.
The fact i lost a friend makes me sick, but the fact no one even attempted to save his life made me even sickier. Take it to the track. If you crash on a track, they don't let you on your own, they assist you out of your car, to an hospital, etc. Take it to the track. Don't wait until it's too late.
I remember, i used to think like you. I'd tell my parents i was going to the drive in to watch movies, but instead i'd go to the races to meet my friends. I didn't have anything spectacular, back then... a 1991 Acura Integra RS, that put out about 120hp at best. Yet i felt like i could take on anything. At first i didn't race much, i was shy to go and ask around for a race. I remember, though, the thrill of watching 2 cars line up and take off in the dark.
Then came my first race. An Isuzu Impulse. The guy didn't know how to drive, and i beat him. Then the cops came, and we barely made it out of there.
A few weeks later, my first warning came. I was racing a guy in an Eagle Talon that turned out to be quite faster than me. He had about 3 or 4 car lenghts on me, when all of a sudden, he hit a pothole, ripped off the right front wheel and crossed my line sideways at roughly 80-85 mph. I barely missed him.
I started to race for money. And lost a lot. I probably lost 1500$ in one single night. Second warning.
The 3rd, and last warning from nature came only a few days later. I had accepted to race a girl in an old Camaro. She got a huge jump on me, but she missed a shift, and i blew by her. She started to gain on me, and as i was hitting 115 mph, she was right on my door. I looked over my shoulder for a split second, to see where the other car was, and when i came back to look in front of me, disaster nearly struck. A truck was crossing the street, right in front of me. It was either hit the truck, or hit the curb, damage the car, and whatever else will happen after. I slammed on the brake, all 4 wheels locked. You have ZERO control on the steering when your brakes are locked. As i came to a stop, shaking and sweating, i wondered why the hell did i race that night... I nearly killed myself, and god knows how many were in that truck.
And then IT happened.
Hot spring night. Very hot. The kind of hot that starts rain showers when you least expect it. My friend Matt called me, asking if i wanted to go to the races. I was planning to spend the night with my girlfriend of then, and i did. I didn't go racing. Matt died that night.
Matt had a pretty serious machine, a 92 Mustang 5.0... He was one with his car. He enjoyed racing, he saw a thrill in that, just like you do. No one is really sure what exactly happened that night, but his car was found rolled up around a tree. From the accidents investigators that checked the accident's scene, it appears he hit a bump, and lost control when the rear wheels came back on the ground, shooting him off the road, straight at the tree. It was raining out there. Not raining hard, but raining enough so it'd be dangerous to speed on a deserted road. He stood no chance.
At first i didn't believe it. I went to the scene of the accident, and i remember breaking down, inside my car, all alone. I cried like a ****ing baby that day. In fact, i'm remembering all that as i write this, and all i want to do is go out there, and cry. I'm not mentally tough enough to accept that, and i never will. It will haunt me forever. I wake up at night, sweating, picturing his accident in my head.
You want to know what's worse? No one came to his help. The guy he was racing with vanished, the crowd vanished, they left him dying in his car. It was an old lady that called 911 a few hours after, but it was already too late.
The fact i lost a friend makes me sick, but the fact no one even attempted to save his life made me even sickier. Take it to the track. If you crash on a track, they don't let you on your own, they assist you out of your car, to an hospital, etc. Take it to the track. Don't wait until it's too late.
Sage
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Thank you for sharing that with us, Punkrock.... I'm sure it must have been very hard for you to tell us that. Certainly, sometimes the best examples are the most depressing, but if it helps to save just one person's life, then it was definitely worth it. 👍
Re: streetracer780:
It's generally accepted around here that sr780 is not much more than a lying pre-teen. He says lots of things about which he knows just enough to start an argument. I usually ignore him.
Streetracing is illegal; that is why it's "bad". Therefore, legally, it shouldn't be done under any circumstances. Unfortunately, it has been a pasttime of teenagers for more than 50 years. Teenagers are idiots. I know because I once was one. Teenagers think that 10-15 years of conscious memories are grounds for making important decisions (or for driving). They're wrong. Not only do statistics prove this, but casual conversation with your average college student will show that people generally don't begin mature until 30. Or even later. At 16, there's a long way to go.
What do I think of streetracing? Unless you're in the middle of nowhere, have physically blocked off the entire route, and have someone on the sidelines dedicated to calling 911 in an emergency, you'll have me shaking my fist and calling 911 myself. Get the f#ck off the street you god-damned a$$-munching mother-f#ckers.
And, uh, rice is lame, in all its forms. At least it's not illegal. (That's the "free" in "free America").
It's generally accepted around here that sr780 is not much more than a lying pre-teen. He says lots of things about which he knows just enough to start an argument. I usually ignore him.
Streetracing is illegal; that is why it's "bad". Therefore, legally, it shouldn't be done under any circumstances. Unfortunately, it has been a pasttime of teenagers for more than 50 years. Teenagers are idiots. I know because I once was one. Teenagers think that 10-15 years of conscious memories are grounds for making important decisions (or for driving). They're wrong. Not only do statistics prove this, but casual conversation with your average college student will show that people generally don't begin mature until 30. Or even later. At 16, there's a long way to go.
What do I think of streetracing? Unless you're in the middle of nowhere, have physically blocked off the entire route, and have someone on the sidelines dedicated to calling 911 in an emergency, you'll have me shaking my fist and calling 911 myself. Get the f#ck off the street you god-damned a$$-munching mother-f#ckers.
And, uh, rice is lame, in all its forms. At least it's not illegal. (That's the "free" in "free America").
advanR
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Like he roughly said, on the streets there are always unknown factors. I think in all of his examples something strange just popped up out of nowhere.
I had a near fatal crash last september. It wasnt caused by maniacal driving on the streets, but it is an example of how you should never drive near your cars limits on the streets. You never know what is going to pop up and cause a catastrophe.
I was driving home. It was a country road and I was in an M3, so you know, I was having a bit of fun. It was a two lane road with nothing inbetween them. Speedlimit was probably 45. I was obeying it. Then a curve came up. I usually have a bit of fun here. I down shifted to second and prepared to stretch the car out a bit. The sign said slow to something like 20, but you know those limits are extremely conservative. This is all :I remember. Next thing I knew I woke up in a hospital with a head the size of a basketball and morphine being pumped into my arm (god I love that stuff).
I hit, or got hit by a truck. It was a large one, one of those moving trucks probably, but not an 18 wheeler. I, or he, must have wandered a little over the line. We clipped eachother. My car was hit barely on the left side, but at those speeds, combined, it was a large impact.
Now I dont know what happened, and I likely never will (sometimes memories come back they say). But to the best of my ability my guess is that my cell phone rang, I went to grab it, and it fell to the floor near all of the pedals. (I hated cell phones and only gave in and bought one when my mother insisted I have some sort of communication with her if need be) Even though I believe I would never bend down while driving, I probably reached to grab it, missed the curve by a little, and barely cought the side of the truck. The only information leading me to believe that is that when I was on drugs I had a nightmare about a phone near my feet. I was screaming about it. Now that I think about it, ****, I would have had to have been bent over for my face to be hit like that. If I was sitting straight up the wheel would have been half a foot from my face.
Maybe I did bend down, but I was still in my lane, and the other guy hit me. Anything is possible. But now when I drive on the streets, I keep it under 5/10ths, so if anything unexpected pops up, I will be better able to deal with it without getting hurt.
The consequences of the whole thing?
-Almost died, or even worse IMO, could have had lost limbs. They were unsure if my aorta was trauma'd. I havent researched it, but if the aorta is hit hard enough, you die.
-Injuries: My face is full of scars. A have a titanium eye socket. Fractured pelvis. Broken knuckle on left hand. Miraculiously that was it. My face looks fine now except for some scarring, and I guess concentration problems from the massive concussion.
-Spent a month in the hospital, throwing my first semester at school this year away. Had to start all over this spring.
-I just found an immaculate example of an e30 M3. I had been looking for about 1.5 years. The car was totalled.
-Dont forget about family. They spent a few hous not knowing if I was killed or not. They recieved a call from the hospital to come and see me, and werent told if I was alright or not. A minister meeting them in the waiting room didnt help much.
-Oh yea, even though there is no proof of what happened. The guy in the truck has the right to sue the **** out of me. He is the only witness, so even if it wasnt my fault he can claim what he wants. He wasnt in the hospital when he was questioned by the police.
Thought Id share as well. The best examples are the most shocking. Even if these arent at all shocking (harda$ses will say it doesnt scare them, or they dont care), you can clearly see the risks, and that it CAN happen to you.
A picture of the car can be found here.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=473288#post473288
The thing had no airbags. It was an 88. Even though the car of my dreams was destroyed, I like to think that if that was the civic I usually drive, I would have been toast, or lost some legs for sure. The japanese make good cars, but Im not sure their chassis' are as solid as some european or american cars.
I had a near fatal crash last september. It wasnt caused by maniacal driving on the streets, but it is an example of how you should never drive near your cars limits on the streets. You never know what is going to pop up and cause a catastrophe.
I was driving home. It was a country road and I was in an M3, so you know, I was having a bit of fun. It was a two lane road with nothing inbetween them. Speedlimit was probably 45. I was obeying it. Then a curve came up. I usually have a bit of fun here. I down shifted to second and prepared to stretch the car out a bit. The sign said slow to something like 20, but you know those limits are extremely conservative. This is all :I remember. Next thing I knew I woke up in a hospital with a head the size of a basketball and morphine being pumped into my arm (god I love that stuff).
I hit, or got hit by a truck. It was a large one, one of those moving trucks probably, but not an 18 wheeler. I, or he, must have wandered a little over the line. We clipped eachother. My car was hit barely on the left side, but at those speeds, combined, it was a large impact.
Now I dont know what happened, and I likely never will (sometimes memories come back they say). But to the best of my ability my guess is that my cell phone rang, I went to grab it, and it fell to the floor near all of the pedals. (I hated cell phones and only gave in and bought one when my mother insisted I have some sort of communication with her if need be) Even though I believe I would never bend down while driving, I probably reached to grab it, missed the curve by a little, and barely cought the side of the truck. The only information leading me to believe that is that when I was on drugs I had a nightmare about a phone near my feet. I was screaming about it. Now that I think about it, ****, I would have had to have been bent over for my face to be hit like that. If I was sitting straight up the wheel would have been half a foot from my face.
Maybe I did bend down, but I was still in my lane, and the other guy hit me. Anything is possible. But now when I drive on the streets, I keep it under 5/10ths, so if anything unexpected pops up, I will be better able to deal with it without getting hurt.
The consequences of the whole thing?
-Almost died, or even worse IMO, could have had lost limbs. They were unsure if my aorta was trauma'd. I havent researched it, but if the aorta is hit hard enough, you die.
-Injuries: My face is full of scars. A have a titanium eye socket. Fractured pelvis. Broken knuckle on left hand. Miraculiously that was it. My face looks fine now except for some scarring, and I guess concentration problems from the massive concussion.
-Spent a month in the hospital, throwing my first semester at school this year away. Had to start all over this spring.
-I just found an immaculate example of an e30 M3. I had been looking for about 1.5 years. The car was totalled.
-Dont forget about family. They spent a few hous not knowing if I was killed or not. They recieved a call from the hospital to come and see me, and werent told if I was alright or not. A minister meeting them in the waiting room didnt help much.
-Oh yea, even though there is no proof of what happened. The guy in the truck has the right to sue the **** out of me. He is the only witness, so even if it wasnt my fault he can claim what he wants. He wasnt in the hospital when he was questioned by the police.
Thought Id share as well. The best examples are the most shocking. Even if these arent at all shocking (harda$ses will say it doesnt scare them, or they dont care), you can clearly see the risks, and that it CAN happen to you.
A picture of the car can be found here.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?postid=473288#post473288
The thing had no airbags. It was an 88. Even though the car of my dreams was destroyed, I like to think that if that was the civic I usually drive, I would have been toast, or lost some legs for sure. The japanese make good cars, but Im not sure their chassis' are as solid as some european or american cars.
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These stories are shocking...There was an accident in the Sunshine coast (Queensland) when i was up there. I heard it on the news...a high performance Corvette which was street racing crashed into a crowd, hitting two people...one died at the scene and the other had broken legs...i think that was what happened.
Also, near where we were staying i'm quite sure they were doing some sort of show-off thing because we saw about 40 cars parked...high performance cars...maybe rice, i dunno.
Also, near where we were staying i'm quite sure they were doing some sort of show-off thing because we saw about 40 cars parked...high performance cars...maybe rice, i dunno.
advanR
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punkrock, you are in canada, maybe you remember the psa a year or so back about this. It was a video of a bunch of kids in an ITR jumping a hill. They were taping themselves doing it. Then one time they went up, and landed sideways or something, went into a ditch, and all 4 or so died. I dont know where it was, but I had found a quicktime version of it. If you know of anywhere to find it, it would be good to post.
If talking people out of it doesnt work, I cant think of a better way than to show them what happens. Stories are good, but a video is more shocking.
I hope this doesnt offend you.
If talking people out of it doesnt work, I cant think of a better way than to show them what happens. Stories are good, but a video is more shocking.
I hope this doesnt offend you.
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gosh, this thread is really something. my condolences go out to everyone who has lost someone as a result of street racing, whether drivers or spectators/innocent bystanders.
oddly enough the closest i've come to a serious accident was when i was driving legally within all limits, but i saw a chinook helicopter above me and decided to stare at it... BAD IDEA! a piece of advice, no matter how good a driver you think you are, NEVER look at the sky whilst driving... i looked back at the road and it turned out i was in the opposite lane heading towards a bus. a quick set of steering wheel movements ensured im still alive to tell you this, but i'd rather it didnt happen again.
it seems to me that most people in this thread have their minds already made up and wont change their views. im only 21 now, but when i started driving at 17 i was very much in the mind-frame that streetracer is/was. had i had the money to buy the cars i wanted i could have ended up dead or killed someone else.
like he said:
its just something you feel and theres nothing anyone can tell you that will put you off, even if you see horrific accident footage, once you sit back behind that wheel, it all goes out of the window.
the problem i have with karting/tracks is that a lot of them seem very cliquey. they seem very reluctant to accept outsiders unless you know everything there is to know about cars/racing or pay them much money. there don't seem to be any places (at least not in england that i've seen) where you can just go down, pay your $10 and take a lap of a race track, no questions asked, no holds barred. which is what you CAN do in street racing. you dont have anyone telling you that you can't park your car here, or drive at this time, in this way.
unless racing on a track was available to me at almost any time that was convenient for me as frequently as i wanted to (say once a week) then i'd still be prepared to race on the streets, but like hooligan said under strict conditions:
as for advanR's crash, man im glad you lived through that, my sympathies go out to you. mobile phones are a hassle, i never pick one up when im driving, i've just had too many bad experiences. just two questions, why did you buy ur car back from the insurance company? i looks totally wrecked, can u really salvage anything from that? and 2, is an M3 that much better than a regual 3 series?
for all street racers, dont take risks, dont drive when u have even the slightest possibility of something going wrong, or vehicles popping into your track. and make sure u have someone ready to call 911 (or 999 as it is here). punkrock's m8 matt could still be alive today had someone done that.
and to all opponents of street racing, there's nothing you can say that will stop the majority of racers from driving fast. im sure most of them WOULD rather die than be without a fast car. (well at least until they mature enough that is). until then you just have to persuade them to try the alternatives, i.e. karting.
paul
oddly enough the closest i've come to a serious accident was when i was driving legally within all limits, but i saw a chinook helicopter above me and decided to stare at it... BAD IDEA! a piece of advice, no matter how good a driver you think you are, NEVER look at the sky whilst driving... i looked back at the road and it turned out i was in the opposite lane heading towards a bus. a quick set of steering wheel movements ensured im still alive to tell you this, but i'd rather it didnt happen again.
it seems to me that most people in this thread have their minds already made up and wont change their views. im only 21 now, but when i started driving at 17 i was very much in the mind-frame that streetracer is/was. had i had the money to buy the cars i wanted i could have ended up dead or killed someone else.
like he said:
its just something you feel and theres nothing anyone can tell you that will put you off, even if you see horrific accident footage, once you sit back behind that wheel, it all goes out of the window.
the problem i have with karting/tracks is that a lot of them seem very cliquey. they seem very reluctant to accept outsiders unless you know everything there is to know about cars/racing or pay them much money. there don't seem to be any places (at least not in england that i've seen) where you can just go down, pay your $10 and take a lap of a race track, no questions asked, no holds barred. which is what you CAN do in street racing. you dont have anyone telling you that you can't park your car here, or drive at this time, in this way.
unless racing on a track was available to me at almost any time that was convenient for me as frequently as i wanted to (say once a week) then i'd still be prepared to race on the streets, but like hooligan said under strict conditions:
as for advanR's crash, man im glad you lived through that, my sympathies go out to you. mobile phones are a hassle, i never pick one up when im driving, i've just had too many bad experiences. just two questions, why did you buy ur car back from the insurance company? i looks totally wrecked, can u really salvage anything from that? and 2, is an M3 that much better than a regual 3 series?
for all street racers, dont take risks, dont drive when u have even the slightest possibility of something going wrong, or vehicles popping into your track. and make sure u have someone ready to call 911 (or 999 as it is here). punkrock's m8 matt could still be alive today had someone done that.
and to all opponents of street racing, there's nothing you can say that will stop the majority of racers from driving fast. im sure most of them WOULD rather die than be without a fast car. (well at least until they mature enough that is). until then you just have to persuade them to try the alternatives, i.e. karting.
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The problem is that while you try to change StreetRacer's thoughts Street Racing is like a addiction you cant stop that easily, besides do you think other street racers want to crash into to bystanders? Judging by the way many talk that is what you think. Street Racers tend to find empty places (mostly) so they dont get caught and so they dont hurt anybody. Also I supported street racer for one reason, which I stated that he should keep his ways not be changed by some one he doesnt know or has not even meet.
Most of you discourage it because it is dangerous, and judging by your stories you sometimes get into near-death accidents from regular driving. This is the only board that I have seen that really hates racing on the street because it is dangerous. Like my thread in the rumble strip "GTP: The most Civilized" I stated that popular opinion hates others thoughts and input. That case is right here. Street Racing is dangerous yet if streetracer780 wants to do it and he has a handle on it let him be. Dont say, "Your going to get killed, you ****ing idiot watch you die" Just let him do what he wants.Then he'll see where it gets him.
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Rice cars are not boring that is all i got to say.. I don't care what other ppl say. Not all of them go fast but some of them do..
Not everybody want their car to go fast.. so they make it look more pretty according to that person.. Some i think are ugly but i'm not the owner of that car.
Not everybody want their car to go fast.. so they make it look more pretty according to that person.. Some i think are ugly but i'm not the owner of that car.
advanR
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I actually bought it back from the insurance company for $400. Parts on it are like I said, easily worth $5k +. For the original M3 (e30), only 4-5k (forgot) were brought into this country to begin with. 15 years later and likely less than 3 thousand are left.
prices for some of the parts:
engine - $2500
tranny - 500-1000
interior - 1000
trunk lid - 1000
Im not sure what some of the other parts are worth, but people want them. Even if I wouldnt make much profit, I would have bought it because the parts are so valuable to some people. Crushing what is very sought after into a 4x4x4 cube of steel is brainless.
There are 3 gens of M3s: e30, e36, e46. e30 is fairly rare like I have said. It was homologated for race use. Differences from the regular 325 are greater than with either of the other 2 m3s. Wide fenders, raised rear deck lid, functional wing, bigger brakes, chassis differences I know nothing about, and the motor are all different. Instead of a 2.5 liter 6, it has a 2.3 liter 4. Odd I know, but the s14 is much better fitted for road racing. It is a very peaky motor, redlining at 7400 I think. It is actually 1/3rd of the f1 engine BMW used at the time. There are other small differences also, but they basically cut 2 cylinders off of the 6 that the m6 was using (also 1/2 of the same engine). The result is a lighter engine better suited to the light chassis.
The e36 has a larger motor, bigger brakes, stiffer suspension, etc. Same deal with the e46, except the motor is much much better. Both of these cars are heavier (600lbs I think), more civilized, and IMO dont provide the same thrill as driving the original.
Whenever someone asks about this, I always whore out my M propoganda. I hope most of the facts are correct. I try not to make it too extreme.
prices for some of the parts:
engine - $2500
tranny - 500-1000
interior - 1000
trunk lid - 1000
Im not sure what some of the other parts are worth, but people want them. Even if I wouldnt make much profit, I would have bought it because the parts are so valuable to some people. Crushing what is very sought after into a 4x4x4 cube of steel is brainless.
There are 3 gens of M3s: e30, e36, e46. e30 is fairly rare like I have said. It was homologated for race use. Differences from the regular 325 are greater than with either of the other 2 m3s. Wide fenders, raised rear deck lid, functional wing, bigger brakes, chassis differences I know nothing about, and the motor are all different. Instead of a 2.5 liter 6, it has a 2.3 liter 4. Odd I know, but the s14 is much better fitted for road racing. It is a very peaky motor, redlining at 7400 I think. It is actually 1/3rd of the f1 engine BMW used at the time. There are other small differences also, but they basically cut 2 cylinders off of the 6 that the m6 was using (also 1/2 of the same engine). The result is a lighter engine better suited to the light chassis.
The e36 has a larger motor, bigger brakes, stiffer suspension, etc. Same deal with the e46, except the motor is much much better. Both of these cars are heavier (600lbs I think), more civilized, and IMO dont provide the same thrill as driving the original.
Whenever someone asks about this, I always whore out my M propoganda. I hope most of the facts are correct. I try not to make it too extreme.
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