Ridiculously Overpriced Cars

The Truck that is currently extremely overpriced is the Chevrolet HD trucks, you could pay $60 thousand for a regular truck but the ford and dodge is still pretty pricey running around the mid $ 50 thousand
 
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Cadillac Allante. Never heard of it until I saw the newest episode of Top Gear USA. It cost well over $50,000...in 1987.
 
Didn't sell too well...the bodies were made in Italy, and shipped to America for the powertrain and assembly. Sounds like a bit of production scheduling nightmare. For it's time, the closest thing Cadillac had to a "sports-car" during the 1980s to early 1990s. And compared to other Caddys from that era, it was actually quite diminutive (not counting the Cimmaron, of course). But why all the expense and hassle for such a bland design? It was a little more "evolutionary" compared to other American luxury cars of its time, not exactly revolutionary.

Wait a moment...the Cimmaron has to be in this discussion! But I'm not sure what its price was.
 
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Didn't sell too well...the bodies were made in Italy, and shipped to America for the powertrain and assembly. Sounds like a bit of production scheduling nightmare. For it's time, the closest thing Cadillac had to a "sports-car" during the 1980s to early 1990s. And compared to other Caddys from that era, it was actually quite diminutive (not counting the Cimmaron, of course).

Wait a moment...the Cimmaron has to be in this discussion! But I'm not sure what its price was.
Cadillac apparently never learned their lesson when they made this.
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My dad owned one of those for a couple years. I don't think it was a 'better' car than similarly priced Merc SLs or BMW 6 series, but it was definitely a lot more striking and a lot more powerful. There was nothing else like it on the road.
 
Didn't sell too well...the bodies were made in Italy, and shipped to America for the powertrain and assembly. Sounds like a bit of production scheduling nightmare. For it's time, the closest thing Cadillac had to a "sports-car" during the 1980s to early 1990s. And compared to other Caddys from that era, it was actually quite diminutive (not counting the Cimmaron, of course). But why all the expense and hassle for such a bland design? It was a little more "evolutionary" compared to other American luxury cars of its time, not exactly revolutionary.

Wait a moment...the Cimmaron has to be in this discussion! But I'm not sure what its price was.

Around the time it was built it was $12,131 - brand new. Which is equal to to about $31,011 today...
 
I'm always surprised whenever I look up the price of a new Chevy Tahoe and Suburban: both start around $50,000 (Canadian). I mean, 50 grand starting price for a Chevy? That's getting way up there, especially for a relatively blue-collar nameplate. And you see a ton of them on the road... no wonder GM likes selling SUVs so much... they must make a killer profit on every one.

For comparison, a 2012 Dodge Durnago and Ford Expedition start at $38,000 and $40,000 dollars respectively. And you don't see nearly so many of those.
 
Yeah, all the figures are in Canadian dollars; it seems everything is priced more expensively up here.... :indiff:
 
My dad owned one of those for a couple years. I don't think it was a 'better' car than similarly priced Merc SLs or BMW 6 series, but it was definitely a lot more striking and a lot more powerful. There was nothing else like it on the road.
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They were also not more powerful, at least not more than the 6 Series; it only had 20 or so more than the SL. The car was honestly a bit of a joke & was in a market where it was outclassed in every category by the Germans. The XLR-V was just stupid & Cadillac were high when they decided it was worth $100,000.

Only idiots bought the V over a BMW M6, which at the time, was selling for the same price.
Any fully loaded BMW.
Coming from someone whose probably never owned one, I assume?
 
Oh no, you caught me Sheriff.

No, but my cousins in Dallas do. A 2008 550i. They still have it actually and love it for it's prowess. But they still think about if they should have spent that extra 10 grand and get a 7 series. That's the pricing I'm referring to here.
 
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Well, the best thing I can say about the XLR is that it seems to have suffered from crippling depreciation values, which means I might be able to buy one without betting the farm at some point. Yes, I'm an unabashed fan of the XLR.

But, relative to the Mercedes SL and BMW 6 Series, I'm not so sure that $100,000 for a top of the line XLR-V is all that outrageous considering that all of its competitors were similarly priced, and more expensive in many cases. That being said, a cheaper, attractive alternative to the Germans cruisers sounds more appealing than calling the XLR an uber-expensive Corvette, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Any BMW is just great... Nuff said. But seriously, I own one, I would have any BMW, any day... If you have never driven, or owned one.. You seriously need to get one!
 
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They were also not more powerful, at least not more than the 6 Series; it only had 20 or so more than the SL. The car was honestly a bit of a joke & was in a market where it was outclassed in every category by the Germans. The XLR-V was just stupid & Cadillac were high when they decided it was worth $100,000.

Only idiots bought the V over a BMW M6, which at the time, was selling for the same price.

M6 was hardtop - not available at all with anything opentop. Corvette looked alright, but wasn't as comfortable, not as flashy, and wasn't available with the folding hardtop. The SL55 AMG MSRP was 30 grand higher than the V while still being down on power.

I don't disagree that it didn't stack up very well against the germans, but that's because the interior still just wasn't as good as them, not because the basic idea was bad. On the road and around town it was every bit as poised and 'right.' I think the main problems with it are that the interior was bad and it wasn't marketed very well. It's much more stunning than SL, priced better, and comparatively sporty. Just because people aren't used to paying 100k for a Cadillac doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a 100k Cadillac.
 
M6 was hardtop - not available at all with anything opentop. Corvette looked alright, but wasn't as comfortable, not as flashy, and wasn't available with the folding hardtop. The SL55 AMG MSRP was 30 grand higher than the V while still being down on power.

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The BMW E64 M6 Convertible would like to have a word with you.

And power isn't everything. Just because the V has more power than the SL55, that doesn't make it a better car.
 
The Truck that is currently extremely overpriced is the Chevrolet HD trucks, you could pay $60 thousand for a regular truck but the ford and dodge is still pretty pricey running around the mid $ 50 thousand

Apart from all new diesel trucks breaking the bank, the Chevs are probably more because they're a better truck.
The Dodge isin't too bad, but if you are going to buy a new Ford diesel then you're an idiot.
 
Any pickup nowadays.

In the '80s a Ram D-150 or 3rd-Gen Chevy pickup would be around 8 - 9 Grand. A truck today can easily be 30 - 40 grand. :yuck: Plus older trucks have way more character, better looks (less plastic), and simpler mechanics, no pointless computers.
 
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The BMW E64 M6 Convertible would like to have a word with you.

And power isn't everything. Just because the V has more power than the SL55, that doesn't make it a better car.

Ah, yikes. I was just looking at 2006 models. So, I was right in saying that the V is priced similarly to the Germans. Right on par with BMW (and after you add options in on the Bimmer, it'll be a bit over the Caddy) and much cheaper than the AMG.

And, again, I never said that power made it a better car. In fact, I've said that I think it's not a very good car and that the Germans offered better alternatives. The XLR was very good at making an impression, whereas the Merc, while nice looking, just looked like a droptop Mercedes. The XLR is imposing and very striking on the road. It just didn't have everything that you should expect and demand from a 100k dollar car.

FWIW though, all cars in that segment suffer from crazy depreciation values.
 
Oh no, you caught me Sheriff.

No, but my cousins in Dallas do. A 2008 550i. They still have it actually and love it for it's prowess. But they still think about if they should have spent that extra 10 grand and get a 7 series. That's the pricing I'm referring to here.
First off, questioning whether you should just spend an extra $10K for anything is not a realistic thought.
Secondly, there's no reason to go from a fully loaded 550i to a base model 7 Series just because you think you might have spent the extra $10,000. Because it's so easy to just say, "Hey, what's an extra $10,000 yo?"

And third, that's an "issue" shared by other manufacturers as well. A fully loaded TSX V6 is right on the corner stone of a TL, just as a loaded Camaro SS runs under $3-4,000 short of a base Corvette.
Well, the best thing I can say about the XLR is that it seems to have suffered from crippling depreciation values, which means I might be able to buy one without betting the farm at some point. Yes, I'm an unabashed fan of the XLR.

But, relative to the Mercedes SL and BMW 6 Series, I'm not so sure that $100,000 for a top of the line XLR-V is all that outrageous considering that all of its competitors were similarly priced, and more expensive in many cases. That being said, a cheaper, attractive alternative to the Germans cruisers sounds more appealing than calling the XLR an uber-expensive Corvette, as far as I'm concerned.
The catch is that Mercedes & BMW offering a $100,000 car is not unheard of. A Cadillac coming out of nowhere, esp. one that's based on a gussied-up Corvette body is.

When you get down to actually comparing what you're getting from BMW & what you're getting from Cadillac, the BMW was a better car in every category besides maintenance fees.
M6 was hardtop - not available at all with anything opentop. Corvette looked alright, but wasn't as comfortable, not as flashy, and wasn't available with the folding hardtop. The SL55 AMG MSRP was 30 grand higher than the V while still being down on power.
The Corvette looks or comfort wasn't the point of the picture; it was the fact that there was indeed a car just like the XLR on the road. The only other car that is built on the Y-Platform.

The SL55 AMG can not be compared on any level to the XLR-V. It was $30,000 more, but the facelift model (the previous model was already 4 years old by the time the V came along) produced 510Bhp over the 443Bhp of the Cadillac, so where are you getting that it was down on power? Because even the pre-facelift model sported 470Bhp.

And where as the V only produced 414lb-ft of torque, the Mercedes was outputting 530lb-ft. The only thing the V had close to the BMW & the Mercedes was similar 0-60s due to the weight advantage.

If you want to compare any SL, it would be the SL500 & it was $8,000 cheaper. It wasn't as powerful as the V, but it was still much more luxurious.

As for the Corvette, it obviously isn't going to be as comfortable or flashy because that was the point of the XLR. To be that "flashy" version of the Corvette, but that was all it had going for it. The Corvette was offering similar performance to a XLR-V for half the costs, so it should be expected that it isn't going to have all the creature comforts.
I don't disagree that it didn't stack up very well against the germans, but that's because the interior still just wasn't as good as them, not because the basic idea was bad. On the road and around town it was every bit as poised and 'right.' I think the main problems with it are that the interior was bad and it wasn't marketed very well. It's much more stunning than SL, priced better, and comparatively sporty.
The whole car fell flat next to its German competitors in every way practically. It wasn't as nice to drive, wasn't as luxurious, wasn't as quick. For a $100,000 it still had typical GM touches to it, which was ridiculous.

Just because people aren't used to paying 100k for a Cadillac doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a 100k Cadillac.
That's exactly what it meant 6 years ago. Cadillac did not have the image it has today back then, so a $100,000 Cadillac had to be pretty something special if there was a M6 being sold for the same price. But, it was an extremely expensive car being sold by a company that did not attract that kind of market. Cadillac can do it today because they've changed their image & make much better cars.

It's a story similar to Hyundai; if you had told me in 2006 there would be a $60,000 Hyundai sedan going on the market that year, I bet it would have flopped too next to the XLR & the Phaeton.
 
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The catch is that Mercedes & BMW offering a $100,000 car is not unheard of. A Cadillac coming out of nowhere, esp. one that's based on a gussied-up Corvette body is.

When you get down to actually comparing what you're getting from BMW & what you're getting from Cadillac, the BMW was a better car in every category besides maintenance fees.

Yeah, I'll agree that the XLR was inferior in many respects to the German cars, but I think it's also important to state that in this class of car, who's actually buying has quite a bit to do with it.

For instance, the guy shopping for a base XLR vs. an SL500 or a 645i is a different person than the one who's looking at an XLR-V vs. an SL55 AMG vs. an M6. A $70,000 XLR won't hold up any better to an SL500 or 645i than a $100,000 XLR-V will hold up to an SL55 AMG or an M6, but they're being bought be different people.

Someone who is looking at spending $70,000 on a base XLR is probably more concerned with having something he can show off to all his neighbors and look cool while driving to work, and is going to choose the one he feels looks the best inside and out. Since the XLR's interior is one of its known weak points, many people were willing to pay more in order to get what they feel is a more complete product. It just goes to show you get what you pay for.

With the top-flight versions, even though they're more expensive, you've got an altogether different customer base. The person who buys a V or an AMG or an M product buys it because they want that particular car, and they usually know what they want before they buy it. Brand loyalty plays a bigger role, and they're willing to put up with 'only' 440HP and a weak interior because they want to drive and be seen driving an XLR-V.

At a $100,000 price point it has everything to do with personal reference, and that's why I think a $100,000 Cadillac is not out of line - some people want to buy into that image. Unfortunately for Cadillac, there weren't very many of those people, for the reasons you stated.
 
Another important note that you seem to be ignoring is the folding hardtop. They're ONLY available in folding hardtop - aside from the looks, that is the main selling point. I'll still contend that the Cadillac looks very little like a Corvette and was incredibly visually striking. You would never cross shop the two because of the looks, price, GT (as apposed to Sports) car performance, and the folding hardtop. That's why I say its only real rival was the SL.
 
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