RKM Motorsport - Tuned Tuners - May '13

[Highlandor]

Hi Kyle & Roj..

After driving some of your other tunes I had a go with your Scooby STi S400 (Spec C '05) today.

All the other cars I've tested from you have been excellent (Esprit, Vette C5, NSX, R34gtr) but I found this Scooby to be a bit different. It had the 'trademark' RKM turn in, which was awesome, as per usual, but I found when I lifted off the brakes and carried on turning in, the car seemed to 'snap' a little and turn in very sharply, causing the rear to start swinging out.

I double checked the settings and everything was as per your tune (I bought a new car specifically for this, same with the other tunes I tried) and dialled it in exactly.

I tried it on a few different tracks (Suzuka, Cape Ring and Trial Mountain), I use a DS3 and changed my steering sensitivity back to default (0) - I usually use maximum sensitivity (7). I was in an online lobby, but as none of my friends were available I wasn't able to test this in a 'race', only free run (grip reduction set to low).

I then did a back to back test against my Scooby I use in our race series and found that I wasn't having this problem with my car, yet both cars had the same power, weight and tyres, but obviously different settings.

Here are the settings I used (car was tuned for online racing, 530pp sports soft tyres no ballast and power limiter set to 100%, car isn't setup for outright grip and laptime, I set it up for consistent laps over approximate 20 miles race distance).

1152kgs (fully lightened)
400bhp
58.5kg/fm
530pp

Aero = FR 0 - RR - 5

NO chassis stiffnening on my car

LSD:

FR / RR
10 / 15
25 / 12
50 / 10

Suspension
FR / RR
-17 / -20
15.5 / 9.9
3 / 5
8 / 6
2 / 4

2.0 / 1.5
-0.12 / -0.02

Brakes:

Fr = 5 & Rr = 9

I tend to have a fairly 'aggressive' throttle and brake style - i.e. NAIL IT.

I tried my car in free run, race distance (20 miles) at Suzuka, Cape Ring and Trail Mountain and found it ran fairly competitive and consistent laps for other 530pp road cars, no power limiter (always 100%), no ballast. The tyre wear was slightly more at the front than the rears, at the end of 20 miles on these tracks I used around 25% front tyres and hardly any rears at all.

The settings are totally different to yours, I don't think this is the 'best' setup ever, but it works for me (might need 'tweaking' as I only tried this on Free Run, not a race).

Just wondered what you guys thought of it compared to your S400 tune.

If you hate it, no worries, I can take it on the chin, I'm used to my Race Series co-host hurling abuse at me about my setups when he tries them!!!!

Best regards
H

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Think most of that may have something to do with the S400 being initially an offline tune. Well, that and that it's erm...

Not built to go 20 miles on a set of tires. Longest race I'd ever take it through would be 7 laps of Tsukuba or just under 9 miles. Sideways. Running away and hiding from the pack. I'll give yours a shot in a bit here, not got much to do today.

 

[VTiRoj]

Roj, I have a suggestion for you - how about coming up with LSD settings for the 12c? It handles fine as it is but the outside wheel breaks traction especially in hairpin- and low-speed corners. What do you think?👍

Also, a break-in question:
Suppose I have a new car & i don't equip it with power upgrades but only with suspension and aftermarket tires - I break it in until its 1st oil change. Will this car have more hp gain compared to say a car equipped with a transmission & LSD, broken in the same way as the previous car?

I'm just curious because I tried RJ's C5 Z06 with the 2nd method of breaking in (S-Spec, 429 bhp) and I accidentally ticked out the customizable LSD & switched the car back to its standard differential. I drove it for 3 races and I noticed the car gained another 3hp with the removal of the LSD. Glitch perhaps?

Maybe you can shed some light on this, Roj

I you mean the MP4-12C, I left the LSD on that stock because it was already pretty much as good as it was going to get. It's more a case of throttle control and/or gear ratio adjusting to supress the wheelspin. I'm not sure the LSD alone would fix it without compromising the handling.

Quick answer: No.

It might just be breaking in some more because you've changed the oil. +1bhp per race seems normal.

-.- hahaha………

btw, like my Avatar Roj?

Yes.

i have one of those TR-XX thingy's and i think (from the rear) its one of the best looking K-Cars by far!
i have not tuned it, but i've got loads of K-Cars i started a collection, i've got 59 at the moment i think they're really cute!
i wish we had them in the U.K

You'd be suprised how many Kei cars we have in the UK. They're road legal here so there should be some importers who have some. I've seen a few Cappuccinos here and a Honda Beat.

I know, my mum has one too- oh wait.

I actually found one in the UCD that was everything that my mum's is. Same colour, same HP, same horrid looks, same...everything. ...

Also, as a quick note, I went and tried your Cappuccino , Skyline R32 and Killer Whale tunes.

1. Was sweet
2. Was a bit weird but fast
3. Was...quite fast.

The R32 was weird in what way?

It had the 'trademark' RKM turn in, which was awesome, as per usual, but I found when I lifted off the brakes and carried on turning in, the car seemed to 'snap' a little and turn in very sharply, causing the rear to start swinging out.

I'll let RJ give you a proper reply, but yeah, it's meant to do that. If you can balance it you can basically throw the car into any corner and it'll make the turn.

Edit: Tree'd by RJ.

 

[C-ZETA]

The R32 was weird in what way?

It just understeered a little too much for me to fully like it. Plus the chase cam view is sickeningly horrible

 

[Onboy123]

It just understeered a little too much for me to fully like it. Plus the chase cam view is sickeningly horrible

Yes and no. Granted, it does make it look like a tank, but it gives it an air of presence

 

[VTiRoj]

It just understeered a little too much for me to fully like it. Plus the chase cam view is sickeningly horrible

Mhm. It's the older ATTESSA system that I refuse to replace. I'm sure another tweak could fix it. And yeah the chase cam for it is weird.

 

[Onboy123]

Oi, RJ, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to put off the super review dump. Reason? I want to do the SLS first cuz it gives me a chance to drive a lap of the TGTT in a stock and see how close I can get to those guys doing the Reality vs Virtual race Sorryyy

 

[XDesperado67]

Oi, RJ, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to put off the super review dump. Reason? I want to do the SLS first cuz it gives me a chance to drive a lap of the TGTT in a stock and see how close I can get to those guys doing the Reality vs Virtual race Sorryyy

1:16.3 Real World 1:16.8 Virtual good luck Onboy you'll need it!

 

[VTiRoj]

I'm already doing 1:16.9 on my 3rd lap, I should've signed up and gotten onto the podium!

Edit: 1:16.3 ASUSDIUFGIFDUGDIGDFDFR!!! >.>!

 

[Onboy123]

I'm already doing 1:16.9 on my 3rd lap, I should've signed up and gotten onto the podium!

Oh? Wanna see who gets the closest to DC's time?

Edit: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Maybe next time Roj

Edit the edit: Just heard that we might not get it over here Stupid PD -.-

 

[XDesperado67]

I'm already doing 1:16.9 on my 3rd lap, I should've signed up and gotten onto the podium!

Edit: 1:16.3 ASUSDIUFGIFDUGDIGDFDFR!!! >.>!

Oh? Wanna see who gets the closest to DC's time?

Edit: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Maybe next time Roj

Edit the edit: Just heard that we might not get it over here Stupid PD -.-

What tires you guys using? Saw over in the seasonal forum that the people who actually got this as a seasonal event are stuck on comfort softs!

 

[VTiRoj]

1:16.231 is my final time. Damn it and I used a pad too. I'm using the Sports Hards the car comes with and I assume that's what the guys at Mercedes World were using too.

Comfort softs eh? I don't think I could do that.

 

[uMadson?]

1:16.231 is my final time. Damn it and I used a pad too. I'm using the Sports Hards the car comes with and I assume that's what the guys at Mercedes World were using too.

Comfort softs eh? I don't think I could do that.

I used comfort softs before they were cool.

 

[Onboy123]

1:16.231 is my final time. Damn it and I used a pad too. I'm using the Sports Hards the car comes with and I assume that's what the guys at Mercedes World were using too.

Comfort softs eh? I don't think I could do that.

Well at least you could do the event! I was so looking forward to it! I could finally find out if all that car reviewing on the TGTT has improved my times, then they don't announce where the event will be available, I bet you 9/10 that it won't be available here, and I swear I have never been so pissed off at GT5 and PD that now!

Edit: Confirmed. Asia does not have the event. Onboy is mad. Onboy needs to relieve anger. R35 shall die as sacrifice.

 

[VTiRoj]

The difference between my SH and CS times are 2 seconds. I can get gold on the seasonal but I'm nowhere near the top.

 

[Onboy123]

The difference between my SH and CS times are 2 seconds. I can get gold on the seasonal but I'm nowhere near the top.

Stop talking about itt……………………ARGHHH I HATE YOU PD!!! Y U NO GIVE IT TO DA WORLD!!!! -.-

Oh, and I sent the FF go kart for some fine tuning, Roj. Bear in mind the gearbox hasn't been touched. And that because I cut the join between my last two fingers, I could only do a very basic mash up before my hand hurt. So get going when you can

 

[VTiRoj]

Stop talking about itt……………………ARGHHH I HATE YOU PD!!! Y U NO GIVE IT TO DA WORLD!!!! -.-

Oh, and I sent the FF go kart for some fine tuning, Roj. Bear in mind the gearbox hasn't been touched. And that because I cut the join between my last two fingers, I could only do a very basic mash up before my hand hurt. So get going when you can

Just do to arcade mode, put comfort softs on an SLS and lap the TGTT. It's the same thing.

Bear in mind I have 2 cars to tune before I can get going on your first car. I've finished uMadson?'s Countach but I cant send it back until tomorrow so I'm tweaking my R32 for now.

I got gold on the seasonal so I'm happy. I'm not a WRS driver so going faster is beyond me.

 

[woodey04]

RKM Motorsport’s Civic Type R Turbo

6th gear will only go to 0.693 not the settings of 0.706 what am i missing have double check all settings are correct

 

[C-ZETA]

what am i missing have double check all settings are correct

A fix of the settings. Roj hasn't fixed it yet, I...think...

 

[Onboy123]

Bear in mind I have 2 cars to tune before I can get going on your first car. I've finished uMadson?'s Countach but I cant send it back until tomorrow so I'm tweaking my R32 for now.

I got gold on the seasonal so I'm happy. I'm not a WRS driver so going faster is beyond me.

'nuff seasonal talk. I'm pissed off enough already.

So how does the Count drive? Big bad bull? And I just realized that I'm requesting more than I'm reviewing...

 

[Jacob]

Are you using the correct parts? I can replicate my own settings in patch 1.12.

Yeah. I will double-check though, I'll get to back to you.

 

[VTiRoj]

RKM Motorsport’s Civic Type R Turbo

6th gear will only go to 0.693 not the settings of 0.706 what am i missing have double check all settings are correct

I'll check my own car and find out what's wrong.

Edit: My car can't go up to 0.706 either. Use 0.693, you'll still have the same top speed. 👍

'nuff seasonal talk. I'm pissed off enough already.

So how does the Count drive? Big bad bull? And I just realized that I'm requesting more than I'm reviewing...

It's tame.

 

[Onboy123]

It's tame.

oh....and I was hoping it would try to kill me with it's old bull temper....

 

[VTiRoj]

New gearbox settings for these two. It's not a major performance change, just correcting what a previous patch changed.




Edit: And a revision for the R32. Should understeer less.

 

[Michelin]

hey Roj, RJ, if you guys want to finish the Super GT GT500 tuning (I mean all the GT500 cars) I can lend the SC430 and the Z to you guys tune it (but then I want them back lol). And the GT-R too.

 

[VTiRoj]

Thanks for the offer but RJ's already done the Z and I have an army of Lexus GT500 cars already. 👍 At some point the Lexus will get a setup.

 

[Michelin]

Thanks for the offer but RJ's already done the Z and I have an army of Lexus GT500 cars already. 👍 At some point the Lexus will get a setup.

oh lol hahahaha can't wait for them! Did you guys release the GT-R GT500? If yes, then I'm blind because I didn't saw it lol

 

[C-ZETA]

Did you guys release the GT-R GT500?

They aren't doing one.

God bless my poor Stealth Model.

 

[VTiRoj]

oh lol hahahaha can't wait for them! Did you guys release the GT-R GT500? If yes, then I'm blind because I didn't saw it lol

Nope. We stuffed the GT-R GT500 under a pile of dirt and left it there to rust.

 

[Michelin]

Nope. We stuffed the GT-R GT500 under a pile of dirt and left it there to rust.

WHY?
Anyway, I'm going to release by tomorrow or wednesday a release from RJ "RKM NGT" tune, which seriously is AWESOME! I could take the downhill chicanes at Eiger Nordwand ST like a rocket doing controllabe drifts. I used it on the Nurburgring 4 hrs, but then I got tired of drifting it (drifting for 4 hours straight isn't that fun when you have to save tires lol), but I was having a lot of fun with it! 👍