Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Russian Wilford Brimley is mad.

Diabeetus must be flaring up.

 

[TexRex]

 

[bobba1]

You're -damned right we are delivering weapons to Ukraine 24/7 and we have the capacity and will to do it for as long as Ukraine wants us to. Casus-Belli - my god, do these people even believe the * that comes out of their own mouth? At what point does Ukraine get to declare Casus-Belli? Not when 200,000 foreign soldiers invade their country? These morons can't even decide if the ship was sunk by enemy fire or their own incompetence.

Pretty sure the ****head at the end of the video is advocating for using nuclear weapons against Kyiv.

Indeed, its the rank hypocracy, and arrogance of the Russians.
One the one hand the big ship sunk in bad weather.
Or it was a fire.
Then they declare missile strikes on Kyiv in retaliation for the Ukrainians striking their big ship.

Which is it.

 

[Dennisch]

If this is the sort of propaganda they are serving the Russians, how ****ing dumb are those that fall for it?

 

[Tornado]

I mean, people voted for Trump. It's not like it's a one way street that only goes to the Kremlin.

 

[TexRex]

If this is the sort of propaganda they are serving the Russians, how ****ing dumb are those that fall for it?

 

[Brett]

Russia formally protests US weapons shipments to Ukraine



This vague threat might have had some menace at the start of this conflict. Now, I think the most appropriate response is:

Russian state department, go **** yourself.

The US could also tell the Russian State Department:

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

They could also go with:

There's always:

 

[Tornado]

I don't know if it's been posted but US government is confirming that the cause of death was two Ukrainian missiles to the face:

Russian warship hit by two Ukrainian missiles before sinking: Pentagon

 

[Exorcet]

The Grim Reapers sank the Moskva in DCS two weeks ago, and according to them the old tech on the ship (it was launched in 1979 and retrofitted in 2000) meant it could only track eight targets at a time.

A Neptune launch vehicle carries four missiles, so two vehicles is enough to saturate the tracking computer. The missiles fly very close to the sea (I saw figures claiming 10-30 meters during the initial phase and 4-5 meters during the finale attack phase) and have a small radar cross section so I imagine they are hard to detect and the long range defence systems are almost certainly useless.

Ukraine built (and retrofitted) the Slava class cruisers, and they developed the Neptune cruise missile specifically to knock out Russian ships (development started after the annexation of Crimea) so I imagine they had a pretty good idea about how to design the weapon and what tactics to use in the attack.

I also read that the Slava cruisers have pretty bad fire protection, so I guess it’s possible that a fire broke out. But then again, it’s very rare for warships to spontaneously combust and explode, so I’d say it’s more likely that Ukraine hit an old and outdated warship with a new and sophisticated cruise missile.

GR leans a bit more toward entertainment that documentary. Did they specify what had an 8 target track limit? I doubt that would be the limit for the entire ship, maybe just one radar. If the DCS Moskva has an 8 target limit, remember that while DCS has very detailed aircraft systems modeling, the modeling for ships and ground vehicles is simplified.

Sea skimming is nothing new for antiship missiles. The short range defenses on the ship would have been designed specifically with those in mind since the US has been fielding the sea skipping Harpoon since the 70's. When the Moskva was built that was probably the primary missile threat it was supposed to defend against.

It's always possible that the missiles just made it through since no defense is perfect, and I might have misinterpreted some of the reports. I thought only 2 missiles were fired, but it sounds like 2 missiles were the number that hit. If more had been launched, and the ship actually defended itself, that makes the situation sound more reasonable.

 

[inCloud]

This is some quality television.

Envy.

If this is the sort of propaganda they are serving the Russians, how ****ing dumb are those that fall for it?

No one wants to be part of genocide, raping and aggressive war.

 

[McLaren]

I don't know if it's been posted but US government is confirming that the cause of death was two Ukrainian missiles to the face:

Russian warship hit by two Ukrainian missiles before sinking: Pentagon

If the US does not stop confirming the Ukrainian efforts, Russia will be forced to declare... something on the US.

 

[Com Fox]

If the US does not stop confirming the Ukrainian efforts, Russia will be forced to declare... something on the US.

Russia: Attacks Ukraine

Ukraine: Fights back

Russia: Stop attacking us or we'll have to declare war....

 

[Joey D]

If the US does not stop confirming the Ukrainian efforts, Russia will be forced to declare... something on the US.

Man if the Olympics had a mental gymnastics discipline, the Russians wouldn't need to dope up 14-year-olds to win gold since they're already far superior to anyone else.

 

[Darla Starch]

Russia: Attacks Ukraine

Ukraine: Fights back

Russia: Stop attacking us or we'll have to declare war....

Extra special peace keeping operation.

 

[Rage Racer]

Clarified. The same right-wing, nationalist, xenophobic, racist crap espoused by the party of Trump.

So anyone who opposes uncontrolled immigration is xenophobic and racist?

I guess Alexey Navalny is, then... Because he called for visa requirements for the Central Asian post-Soviet states (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc).

I like how @Rage Racer completely ignores the question as to whether or not he likes Nazis. If you asked me if I liked Nazis I'd categorically tell you that I do not

I think any sane person reading me would know that the answer would be "no". The very idea of asking me such question is a ****ing nonsense.

If I liked the Nazis, I would be rooting for Ukrainian government and praising them for official honoring of the Hero of Ukraine Stepan Bandera (whose birthday is celebrated by a torchlight procession across the streets of Kyiv), his organization OUN-B that pledged allegiance to the Fuhrer, and SS Galizien division, who are also current Ukraine's national heroes (but, hey, they have a Jewish president!).

As you can see from my posts, I'm far from sympathies to Kyiv regime, so it's not hard to see the answer is "no".

Yeah, he's definitely one of Ukraine's "own".

The Ukrainian's loyalty is with the Russians, and this is how they reward him for it?

He's a citizen of Ukraine, not Russia. And loyalty to Putin doesn't yet mean loyalty to Russia - Medvedchuk is a member of Putin's business circle, not a Russia sympathizer or a representative of Russian interests in Ukraine's politics. So, from a position of a Russian nationalist, I don't care much about Medvedchuk, let Kremlin decide how useful he is to them.

It's not the first time Ukraine arrests a civilian who they suspect of working for Russia to exchange them for their prisoned military servicemen. They used to do during the Donbass conflict before.

Did you know Russia is so progressive that ordinary familymen are only allowed to go out and commit rape if the wife grants permission first?

Well, if Ukrainian officials (SBU, the Security Service of Ukraine, is the source of this cool story) says so, this is 100% true... They never lied before, and they wouldn't lie this time to dehumanize Russians and boost the Ukrainians' will to fight, would they?

 

[TexRex]

The lure is just too strong.

 

[Tornado]

Well, if Ukrainian officials (SBU, the Security Service of Ukraine, is the source of this cool story) says so, this is 100% true... They never lied before, and they wouldn't lie this time to dehumanize Russians and boost the Ukrainians' will to fight, would they?

With any luck, maybe this time you won't have to edit your post 3 times in the span of an hour.

 

[Dotini]

Low yield tactical nuclear weapons are said to be on the verge of being used in Ukraine. Nobody should need any reminder that the region is known as the "Breadbasket of the World", and that nuclear contamination of the fields might have deleterious affects on global food supply. Might not it be better to avoid escalation to a low yield tactical nuclear war? How could that be accomplished? On the other hand, maybe we should have little to fear from a bit of nuclear contamination in Ukraine?

 

[Scaff]

If I liked the Nazis, I would be rooting for Ukrainian government and praising them for official honoring of the Hero of Ukraine Stepan Bandera

Why do you always seem to forget this bit...

"President Viktor Yanukovych declared the award illegal, since Bandera was never a citizen of Ukraine, a stipulation necessary for getting the award. This announcement was confirmed by a court decision in April 2010.[20] In January 2011, the award was officially annulled.[21] A proposal to confer the award on Bandera was rejected by the Ukrainian parliament in August 2019"

... It was done by an outgoing president and removed less than three months later by the incoming president.

But just to remind you again, 0.006% of the armed forces and less than 2% of the vote.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Low yield tactical nuclear weapons are said to be on the verge of being used in Ukraine. Nobody should need any reminder that the region is known as the "Breadbasket of the World", and that nuclear contamination of the fields might have deleterious affects on global food supply. Might not it be better to avoid escalation to a low yield tactical nuclear war? How could that be accomplished? On the other hand, maybe we should have little to fear from a bit of nuclear contamination in Ukraine?

Dotini, probably:

 

[McLaren]

He's a citizen of Ukraine, not Russia. And loyalty to Putin doesn't yet mean loyalty to Russia - Medvedchuk is a member of Putin's business circle, not a Russia sympathizer or a representative of Russian interests in Ukraine's politics. So, from a position of a Russian nationalist, I don't care much about Medvedchuk, let Kremlin decide how useful he is to them.

The absolute denial here.

Imagine if someone was reliably pro-German, their views evolved with the German Reich, & they always share the position of Hitler. But, they're definitely not a Nazi sympathizer....

not a representative of Russian interests in Ukraine's politics

But, thanks for also confirming you didn't bother reading my post. Gotta keep the blinders nice & tight for Vlad, I suppose.

Ever since Viktor Medvedchuk, the head of Ukraine's presidential administration, befriended Vladimir Putin since the early 2000s, he has always had a special role to play in Ukrainian-Russian relations.

"An informal committee for the management of Ukrainian politics was formed from the main Ukrainian oligarchs. Medvedchuk was the head of this board of directors - he acted as a mediator between the Ukrainian oligarchs and Putin ,

After the Revolution of Dignity, Yanukovych fled to Russia, Putin annexed Crimea, and Medvedchuk disappeared . He returned to Kyiv with the start of the war in Donbass. To play another role - an informal negotiator between the new President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and Putin. Medvedchuk agrees that he is in fact acting as Russia's informal ambassador to Ukraine.

Visual demonstration of Medvedchuk's special status - he is the only one from Kyiv to Moscow directly . Ignoring the fact that Ukraine has cut off air services with Russia since 2015, everyone who wants to fly to Moscow needs to change trains in Minsk.

Since 2015, a friend of the Russian president has been involved in virtually all major prisoner exchanges between Ukraine and Donbas separatists. On the eve of the exchanges, Medvedchuk usually met with Putin in person, and he publicly emphasized the role of his friend in this process. In fact, the Russian president has cemented Medvedchuk as a "peacemaker" and negotiator. So it was not difficult to predict his campaign in peace.

 

[NotThePrez]

Low yield tactical nuclear weapons are said to be on the verge of being used in Ukraine.

Is there an actual source for this, or is this more fear-mongering?

 

[mellofello9]

Low yield tactical nuclear weapons are said to be on the verge of being used in Ukraine. Nobody should need any reminder that the region is known as the "Breadbasket of the World", and that nuclear contamination of the fields might have deleterious affects on global food supply. Might not it be better to avoid escalation to a low yield tactical nuclear war? How could that be accomplished? On the other hand, maybe we should have little to fear from a bit of nuclear contamination in Ukraine?

I think society, as a whole, has lost interest in the long game...glo-sticks we shall be.

 

[eran0004]

@Rage Racer What key differences do you see between Hitler’s invasion of Ukraine and Putin’s invasion of Ukraine?

 

[Dotini]

A sad report on the state of Ukranian agriculture.

 

[inCloud]

OUN-B that pledged allegiance to the Fuhrer

Not a fan of ultranationalist thing, but its another Kremlin bull****. Partnership between ounb and Germany was broken 8 days after invasion in Ukraine. Bandera was sent to jail by Nazis. Pre war there was some alliance against communist regime and Poland occupation (part of current Ukraine was under Poland), but guess who else has alliance with Nazis against Poland. And its not ordinary thing to call Stalin a nazi.

 

[Scaff]

Not a fan of ultranationalist thing, but its another Kremlin bull****. Partnership between ounb and Germany was broken 8 days after invasion in Ukraine. Bandera was sent to jail by Nazis. Pre war there was some alliance against communist regime and Poland occupation (part of current Ukraine was under Poland), but guess who else has alliance with Nazis against Poland. And its not ordinary thing to call Stalin a nazi.

Yep arrested by the Gestapo in '41 and sent to Sachsenhausen concentration camp in '42, they only let him out in '44 because they thought he might help delay the advancing Soviet forces (and at that point he worked with those well-known Nazis the British Intelligence Services).

Oh and also the Nazis arrested or executed 80% of OUN-B leadership, basically because they declared Ukraine to be an independent state in '41.

He was a far-right scumbag of the highest order, but the Nazis saw him and OUN-B as a threat, despite them being far-right, but specifically because they saw them as being ultra-nationalists, which didn't fit with the Nazi's ideas for that part of the world.

 

[bobba1]

Man if the Olympics had a mental gymnastics discipline, the Russians wouldn't need to dope up 14-year-olds to win gold since they're already far superior to anyone else.

I love this.
Nice way to remind people how even in world sport the Russians have to cheat and corrupt and when caught out lie about it and claim they are pickled on.
Utterly pathetic country.

 

[Pupik]

A sad report on the state of Ukranian agriculture.

Unfortunately, beating plowshares into swords has that effect.