Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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I just found the playlist for Project Ukraine on Youtube, a project put together by several historical Youtube channels in an effort to highlight Ukraine's and Ukrainians' background as well as their ethnic and national legitimacy in the face of Russian propaganda. This is the first video I watched on the list:
How long until people start referring to Zelensky as Volodymyr The Great?
How long until people start referring to Zelensky as Volodymyr The Great?
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Way over a thousand years ago, the steppes from the Danube to the Pacific were terrorized by nomadic horse archers. Blonde haired, blue-eyed Huns were the most feared. Putin is their descendant.
The civilized people on the periphery of the steppes, the Chinese, the folks of the fertile crescent, the Romans, built walls to keep the invaders out. Some things never change.
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Huns were Central Asian and Far Eastern.
They were not white but Asians. Closest thing to a white Hun would be the nunerous Germanic peoples that served the Huns along with Proto Slavs.
Huns were most likely Proto Turkic or Proto Mongolic or maybe a confederation of Nomadic tribes of the Central Asian steppe that includes Proto Turks, Proto Mongols and Nomadic Iranic tribes.
Reason why im not including the Huns as Turks because the word, Turks do not appear on historical records until the 6th century ad when the Gokturk Empire was born. Eventough Turks existed before the Gokturks they were not called Turks. Neither were there historical records of Turkic peoples before the Gokturks as most records come from Iranian and Chinese sources.
Mongols appeared in the 12th century. Hence why its suitable to use Proto Turkic and Proto Mongolic.
But I do believe the Huns were Central Asian.
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Quoting you in this thread to save that topic getting too off-topic...
Let's face it, even in democratically more sensible countries the capacity of the people to change the actions of the government is fairly negligible... let alone in a country where suppression and misinformation prevails. In the UK we protested the Iraq invasion with the largest protests ever held here (between 750,000 and 1,000,000 people in London alone), and guess what, we still joined in with the invasion. Sure, it would be nice to see more resistance from the Russian people, but putting yourself in their shoes, would you risk arrest, imprisonment, potentially death, to hold a protest that the government will resoundingly ignore. It didn't really go that well for the Chinese in 1989 did it.
What the world needs isn't 140 million depressed Russians stuck in relative poverty and isolation... it needs one with a rifle, a good aim, and an opportunity.
They can't arrest 1million people it is simply not possible.
In London 1m people marched over the invasion of Iraq, a despot nation.
Andy out are retelling me out if 9m people jn moscow alone 1m of them couldn't organise civil disobedience in red square?
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Kieven Rus has been claimed by both Russians and Ukrainians as their founding nation. Lesser extent the Belarussians.
Eastern Slavs regardless if they are Russian or Ukrainian can see the Kieven Rus as their ancestors.
Pretty sad how some Russians question their own Eastern Slavic brothers as fake or illegitimate rather embracing them as a brother.
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Of course it wouldn't be possible to arrest 1m protesters, but they'd try their hardest to do so. I wouldn't fancy my chances to not be one of the fraction that are arrested. I doubt those that would get caught would be in for an easy time of it. I can see why there's not much appetite for protesting, even if a sizeable proportion of the Russian population doesn't see the war as just.
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Add to that the Russian peacekeepers could find a convenient excuse to just slaughter any of those who oppose. It's cheaper to put a bullet in them than to lock them up.
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They don't need to arrest 1 million people. They can arrest as many as they can, tear gas the rest, and follow up on all intelligence in the subsequent weeks to go after those they couldn't arrest at the time... but that's beside the point. Why would they risk it when they know the government is just going to ignore them anyway.
Yep, and our government ignored it.
'Andy out are retelling' you that organising civil disobedience in Red Square would be a good way of spending the rest of your life getting chucked in prison on trumped up charges, and that's only of the Novichok doesn't get you first... and again, why risk it when the government is just going to ignore your protests anyway.
A million people in Red Square saying what Russia is doing is wrong is a nice idea... but it'd be an ineffective token gesture. And what then? Hope that other nations see the protest and lift the sanctions? That's not going to happen either. And all this to protest for the benefit of another nation? People have fought and died in the name of protesting their government, sometimes it works (The Christmas Revolution against Ceaucescu), sometimes it doesn't (Tiananmen Square).. but generally it's for the freedom of their own people, not for that of others.
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Given the circumstances and climate, I'd think an arrest would be the best possible outcome. I wouldn't put it past them (or China, Syria, etc.) to incite a massacre while blaming those they mowed down as the aggressors...similar scenarios/approaches seem the go to modus operandi already.
I've the utmost respect for ANY Russian civilian who shows-up at a protest against their Gov't. I won't slander those who don't, either. Let's face it, the level of commitment needed to thrust yourself into harms way over ideology eludes most. Can't say I'd willingly walk into that myself...would rather not have to find out in real-time, either.
Can't even fathom the daily hopelessness some within those borders must be experiencing.
With that amount of civil unrest you would expect the police, who are also human beings, to simply abide with them and stop any real unrest.
Unless of course the hundreds or even thousands of police are infact not humans, don't have families, lives or emotions...
It's interesting how the Azov battalion which commented a while back about the Russian army using chemical weapons on civilians in Mariupol was proudly displaying the SS badge on their Twitter account.
An organisation which knew all about chemical weapons in Auschwitz, Sobibor etc.
An organisation which knew all about chemical weapons in Auschwitz, Sobibor etc.
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Ukraine is using drones to take the fight inside Russia 😮
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A similar situation of massive civil unrest happened recently in Belarus, and Putin-puppet Lukashenko still is the dictator after its fraudulent elections.
Military and Police forces with undemocratic prerogatives can keep a massive proportion of the population under the rule of a despot.
Military and Police forces with undemocratic prerogatives can keep a massive proportion of the population under the rule of a despot.
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Well, everyone who can trace their roots back to Europe in the past couple of hundred years is a descendant of the Huns. In fact, if you go back some 50 generations or so (around 1000 to 1500 years) then your ancestors are pretty much everyone in Europe who were alive at the time*. So the question isn't so much about whether you have an ancestor who was a Hun, but rather how many Hunnic ancestors you have. Most Europeans can probably count them in terms of hundreds of thousands, if not in millions.
No seriously, think about it. For each generation you go back, your number of ancestors double. After 50 generations you have 2^50 ancestors. Of course, almost everyone are duplicates, and by that I mean almost everyone.
No seriously, think about it. The total number of humans that have ever existed on our planet is estimated to be around 117 billion, or 2^37, so that's the absolute maximum number of unique ancestors you can have. Now, 2^50-2^37 ≈ 2^50, which means that approximately everyone in your family tree over the past 50 generations is a duplicate. If you thought Gran Turismo was bad...
Anyway, the probability of not finding a Hun somewhere in Putin's family tree is vanishingly small.
(*Your mileage may vary, depending on how isolated your ancestors were from the rest of the world.)
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Combined into Attilla's great Hunnic armies were numerous ethnicities and tribes of diverse origin. Germanic, Finnic and other Eastern European regions had tribes incorporated into the Hun armada. That means there were some blonde and blue-eyed Huns. Attilla himself is historically depicted with blue eyes and European features, though this is quite probably incorrect.
On the other end, Putin's ancestry beyond his parents and grandparents seems unavailable to researchers in the west. In the past I think Putin has preened with furs and bow upon a horse, as if he were a conquering raider.
On the other end, Putin's ancestry beyond his parents and grandparents seems unavailable to researchers in the west. In the past I think Putin has preened with furs and bow upon a horse, as if he were a conquering raider.
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