Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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I wonder if being a clown gets you a pass.
 
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I wonder if being a clown gets you a pass.
I feel like that's a sign that the Russian Military is perhaps concerned about having an adequate supply of trained and ready military-age fighters.

Also, I know I'm rather late to the dog pile, but I just can't ignore this.
Orcs. Very well.
Dehumanizing the Russians by calling them "orcs" is definitely the best way to attract a Russian person to your side, yeah...
You government has literally hired Nazis to fight this illegal and pointless war of aggression against a sovereign nation. They hired the very people that they claimed to be attempting to eliminate, in an effort to kill Ukraine's head of state no less. And that's not taking into account the extraordinarily dehumanizing behavior that the Russian military is using against Ukraine and its population (as well as the Russian governments actions against its own citizens who openly oppose the war).

This might actually be one the most astounding cases of general lack of awareness I've ever seen on this site, and that's really saying something. Either that, or you can't take it when someone dishes your nations crap back at you.
 
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You government has literally hired Nazis to fight this illegal and pointless war of aggression against a sovereign nation. They hired the very people that they claimed to be attempting to eliminate, in an effort to kill Ukraine's head of state no less. And that's not taking into account the extraordinarily dehumanizing behavior that the Russian military is using against Ukraine and its population (as well as its own citizens who openly oppose the war).
Ya but come on, calling Russians orcs might be too much. After all, it's offensive to orcs to be associated with those cretins.
 
literally hired Nazis
Average solider in every country is nationalist (not nazi). If we talking about actions against other nation with same look, culture, language, history and religion, both sides needs ultras in its army.
 
Severodonetsk I think is the easternmost bastion of Ukrainian forces, a small city in which basements are linked by trenches and tunnels since 2014, with significant numbers of defenders. It is now the scene of hellish combat of possibly strategic importance.

 
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Literally the first one. My views on it are almost identical to his. NATO ****ed up when they didn't shut the door on neighboring countries, especially Ukraine. Bad as that may be, to Chomsky and myself the war was not the answer.


It's difficult to have a conversation when you keep attributing things I don't say to what I actually say.
Show me where Chomsky says Finland and Sweden shouldn't join NATO as I quoted you saying.
 
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Average solider in every country is nationalist (not nazi). If we talking about actions against other nation with same look, culture, language, history and religion, both sides needs ultras in its army.
I'm primarily referring to Putin hiring the Wagner PMC, which is known for having a significant white supremacist/Neo-Nazi influence, to assassinate Zelensky.
 
I'm primarily referring to Putin hiring the Wagner PMC, which is known for having a significant white supremacist/Neo-Nazi influence, to assassinate Zelensky.
I get it. Its hypocrisy, but usage of ultras in weaponized confrontation is understandable.
 
Not that understandable when the attack is illegitimate and has nothing but oppression and misery as an end goal.
When the entire world is finally oppressed and miserable we will have achieved the ultimate - a global democracy of suffering. We are a weird species.
 
Ya but come on, calling Russians orcs might be too much. After all, it's offensive to orcs to be associated with those cretins.
The analogy actually seems pretty valid. In the LOTR movies & again in the Hobbit, the orcs - in spite of looking scary, ugly & ferocious are absolutely hopeless fighters, getting mown down in their thousands by a handful of elves & dwarves ...

... and Hobbits. 🤨
 
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Right now the Russians are focussing extreme effort into isolating Severodonetsk. It is the easternmost Ukraine bastion in Donbas, a true city with basements connecting into a sophisticated network of trenches and tunnels, extremely resistant to direct attack. The defending complement may number multiple thousands, but I don't really know. The maps in this Aussie video explain fairly well.

 
Russia:- annexes Crimea, supports pro-russian separatists, conducts special military operation, destroys cities, culture and people, occupies territories and openly says that said occupied territories should belong to Russia.
Also Russia:- Blames Ukraine and Poland for destroying Ukraine's sovereignty because they became close friends.


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I want to relate some personal anecdotes.

Slovakia borders Ukraine. Bratislava is the capital city. There are Ukrainians here. Recently, I spoke to two Ukrainian friends of mine (who have lived here for years) and asked them if they thought it was possible and worthwhile to host some sort of Ukraine Night. Just a nice event where Ukrainians in Bratislava, who almost certainly don't know anybody else, can come together, have some food & drink and just have a pleasant evening in a strange new country, strange new city and amongst a language that isn't quite as mutually intelligible - without overexplaining it, Slovak and Ukrainian is kind of like a native English speaker trying to understand Dutch if it was spoken slowly.

Anyway, my two friends think it's a great idea and through their obvious communications with Ukrainians coming into/going out of the city, they put out a general invitation. I sponsor it; whoever turns up and is from Ukraine, drinks for free. I pay the tab. I didn't know what to expect but we got around 12-14 people at the event. Everyone had a great time and I was able to communicate in Slovak with them. My friends translated anything else. It was just... make them feel welcome. Not alone. There are people who care.

The people who came were so grateful and appreciative and my two friends were overcome by it all. We had another one this Friday just gone and this time we had over 35 people there. I was blown away by the word-of-mouth interest and once again, they all drink for free and my friends provided some Ukrainian food and music. My two friends didn't even known each other until I put them in contact with each other. All we did on the night was have a fun but civil chat with some meat and bread. Not even that much to drink. But they said it was one of the most enjoyable nights of their lives, being able to share it with their fellow Ukrainians at a time of great need for care and attention.

But it was sad. Really sad. Both events so far have been attended only by women and children. It is obvious why; men are not allowed to leave Ukraine. I knew that and pretty much expected it but seeing it really upset me. Obviously I never push the issue but whenever someone does want to talk about the situation with me, it is wives, daughters and sisters telling me that they've left their husbands, sons and brothers behind. Young women with children. Old women with their grandchildren. One of my friends is from Kherson and she tells me how she's crying a lot at home because her parents are stuck in a heavily occupied city. Someone I spoke to on Friday told me that she is from Mariupol. They left because of the war a couple of years ago and moved to Kyiv, thinking that they'd at least be fine there. But now her husband has outright told her and his young daughters, "You need to move and you need to move away from this country". This father is, in effect, safeguarding his family on the basis that he might never see them again. Verbatim, this woman said that she never expected to have to move twice in her life because of war.

In the school I teach at, there are children who have joined us. Children have less intuitive understanding of Slovak than an adult does so they are literally isolated by language. One girl I teach six times a week is an absolute sweetheart but every time I look at her it upsets me deeply again. I don't think she quite realises or has been told that this isn't a temporary thing. Her English is behind the rest of the class but her understanding is excellent. Pre-teens aren't as fearlessly confident as a young child. Getting her to say something in class and seeing the delight on her face when I tell her what she said is good, correct, is a heart-melting feeling.

I've remained in touch with some of the people from my events. A couple of casual Facebook additions. I might not ever see or hear from them again but I've given them at least a little something during what must be a horrednous time for them. If anyone else is thinking of doing the same, or similar, or helping out in your own way, do it. It will make a difference to someone. You can't change the world but you can change your corner of it.
 
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