Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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AFAIK, Elizabeth Truss was elected today. Seems like support of Ukraine from UK remain at same great level.
 
but isn't she in the same boat with Boris?
Yes.

The boat...

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Not an expert in UK politics, but isn't she in the same boat with Boris?
It's impossible to know which boat either of them are in. They're both populists - if it looks good they'll do it for no other reason than it looks good. Although Boris also served his own interest and that of his friends and donors.


But primarily it was a joke about how Truss's supporters would be "Trussians" and that looks quite a lot like "Russians".
 
But primarily it was a joke about how Truss's supporters would be "Trussians" and that looks quite a lot like "Russians".
I get joke, but its irrelevant to situation. Afaik, she isn't pro-RF politician and support of Ukraine right now is strong in Western society.
 
Afaik, she isn't pro-RF politician and support of Ukraine right now is strong in Western society.
And as with Brexit (which she was against, but is now firmly in support of), she'll be on Ukraine's side until it looks like that will be unpopular because of fuel prices.

She's never had a principle she couldn't turn her back on.
 
It's impossible to know which boat either of them are in. They're both populists - if it looks good they'll do it for no other reason than it looks good. Although Boris also served his own interest and that of his friends and donors.


But primarily it was a joke about how Truss's supporters would be "Trussians" and that looks quite a lot like "Russians".
They are just avid fans of the Forth Bridge.
 
I appreciate Zelenskij being very invested in his professional relationship with Boris Johnson and lamenting his departure but the UK's support for Ukraine will remain as long as it is popular. It's a good thing that it still is for now.
 
until it looks like that will be unpopular because of fuel prices
I wonder how much of the support will be left if we get a serious winter.
I don't think support of Ukraine and fuel prices has something to do with each other. Price of fuel syrocketed because of sanctions, which are part of European desire to be independent from Russia. Actually, military and financial support of Ukraine would speed up normalisation of fuel prices.
 
Twitter notified me of this article, but it's behind a paywall.


Can someone help me, uh, get around it?
My guess is, they are training with Russia so they can either:

1. Help Russia in turning the tide of their invasion.
OR.
2. Learn what Russia is doing so they can do the exact opposite when they try to invade another country.
 
Click bait. Its common practice for our countries, nothing new.
No, it isn't clickbait. It's a question that most non-Russian people probably couldn't answer, but even if it is 'nothing new' (is it?), the question remains why are China and India still taking part in military drills with Russia even after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
 
I don't think support of Ukraine and fuel prices has something to do with each other. Price of fuel syrocketed because of sanctions, which are part of European desire to be independent from Russia. Actually, military and financial support of Ukraine would speed up normalisation of fuel prices.
Whether it does or not isn't as important as whether people think it does. And they do.

So much so that Olena Zelenska directly addressed it when talking about the situation to the BBC:
 
why are China and India still taking part in military drills with Russia even after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Why not? Both countries not supporting sanctions, has military relations with RF and using West as scarecrow
 
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Yes, I saw that. But I want to give away as little of my information as possible. Besides, depending on the article's quality, I'll probably not frequent this particular news site all that much.

Click bait. Its common practice for our countries, nothing new.
I'd like to read the article first and determine that for myself. But paywall... Hmm. 🤔
 
Yes, I saw that. But I want to give away as little of my information as possible. Besides, depending on the article's quality, I'll probably not frequent this particular news site all that much.


I'd like to read the article first and determine that for myself. But paywall... Hmm. 🤔
 
I wonder how much of the support will be left if we get a serious winter.
I'm a cynic generally, but my instinct is that as soon as it gets properly tough, support will drain away. In the same way that support for the Covid measures was solid... and then it wasn't once people realised their jobs might be at risk.

To properly realign from Russian oil and, moreso gas is not going to happen in a few months. And the Ukraine war seems unlikely to end anytime soon. The world seems to look at things very short term these days (except for the CCP who seem to actually think long term e.g. their long term plan for Hong Kong has been in progress for 25 yearrs).

Many people seem to be under the overall belief that everything can be "fixed/resolved" in a few months. Some things can't.

The same attitude seemed to apply to Covid - "it's been 6 months, it must be over/cured."

I'm unsure whether it has always been this way, although I do wonder how modern society would deal with a global war that lasted 6 whole years. Compared to a (horrific definitely) conflict in Ukraine which has been going 6 months.
 
I find there to be a distinct difference between an unpersonal virus that doesn't think by itself and an enemy state that's been established as doing inhuman things to forward its interests. Pretty hard to get fatigued with news of the Ukraine invasion in comparison when the whole long-term stability of the continent is at stake.
 
I can see Russia getting more aggressive if Europe decides to stop supporting Ukraine due to a cold winter. I can't imagine any of the border countries will be too happy if the UK, France and Germany decide it's not their problem.
 
I'm a cynic generally, but my instinct is that as soon as it gets properly tough, support will drain away. In the same way that support for the Covid measures was solid... and then it wasn't once people realised their jobs might be at risk.

To properly realign from Russian oil and, moreso gas is not going to happen in a few months. And the Ukraine war seems unlikely to end anytime soon. The world seems to look at things very short term these days (except for the CCP who seem to actually think long term e.g. their long term plan for Hong Kong has been in progress for 25 yearrs).

Many people seem to be under the overall belief that everything can be "fixed/resolved" in a few months. Some things can't.

The same attitude seemed to apply to Covid - "it's been 6 months, it must be over/cured."

I'm unsure whether it has always been this way, although I do wonder how modern society would deal with a global war that lasted 6 whole years. Compared to a (horrific definitely) conflict in Ukraine which has been going 6 months.
Many experts believe world war 3 would end quickly due to the weapons we have.

Modern day weapons are much more effective and efficient lets not forget technology.

We are also globalised too so no matter what NATO, China and Russia cant afford a global war. After ww1 and ww2 many of the great powers try to avoid a global war.

Many conflicts have turned into proxy wars. Nobody wants to face each other head on.

But many of the strongest nations will bo doubt invade the weaker one or their weaker neighbours but they will no way face a nation on par or is better than them.
 
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I'm a cynic generally, but my instinct is that as soon as it gets properly tough, support will drain away.
Sounds like Truss is going to do something about energy bills. However we end up paying for that long term I'd imagine it'll be enough to disconnect the Ukraine war from our own bank accounts for a while.
 
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