Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Nothing like a casual daily reminder of what the orc mentality is all about.


Vladlen Tatarsky inside the Kremlin just after Putin signed the annexation: -"That's it, we will defeat everyone, we will kill everyone, we will rob everyone we need. Everything will be as we like! With God."

He also mentioned how in the past Russians defeated Europe and that today they have nukes and mobilizations, etc.

 
News from mobilization front:
  • some lady tried to give me mobilization summon, same situation happen with boyfriend of my friend.
  • you can get summon from doctor or street cleaner, some mastermind attached summon to utility bill
  • some military commissar tried to give summon via WhatsApp
  • somehow two of my brothers are immigrants in Georgia and another have some illness which makes him unacceptable for military service. Looks like I am only one in danger 🤡
 
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I'm kinda hoping this is a widespread response.
People running out of country in thousands, out of their homes in millions(only you local military commissar could give you summon). Some even end their lives with suicide after getting summon. On the other hand, there are thousands of idiots that going to military commissariats even without signed summon. My guess, real problems would start in Russia after Svatovo assault, where most of mobilized in October are going.
 
Tinfoil hat time:

Apparently a "top Russian judge" (who was said to be unbribeable and involved in a case concerning the daughter of Ramzan Kadyrov ) was killed in the blast on the Crimea bridge. As they say...what are the chances?

So Russia immediately claimed this was a truck bomb and placed the blame on Ukraine and footage from multiple angles was immediately released. But the evidence seems to indicate it was a maritime drone (if it was a drone, that would have been immediately clear upon inspection of the truck) and I think it's still unclear how such a device could ignite the train (that just so happened to be parked at the impact site) so much further above.

If you pause this video at exactly 8 seconds (or just look at the preview still), there sure appears to be a flash point on the train deck at exactly the same time as the main detonation - and considering that the road deck that collapsed was further from the train deck than the deck that remained intact, it seems even more implausible that an explosion from under the bridge could ignite the train:



Would Putin attack his own bridge? If it changed the equation for him, I don't see why not. One road deck of the bridge seems to be still useable so it's not a critical loss.
 
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143 countries votes in favour of condemning Russia's annexation of 4 Ukrainian territoriesю

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I'm kinda of the opinion that Russia shouldn't get a vote here, but hey.

Nor Belarus, the Slave People's Republic of Korea or the Russian-bombed-to-smithereens Syria for that matter either.

And as for the abstentions and no votes, there's some very notable names in there... China, India, Pakistan, South Africa and Thailand... just wow.
 
Ukraine has received more HIMARS from the US and they've also got the new M30A1 munitions to go with them too:

As for how the M30A1's work is that when they explode, they launch 180,000 tungsten balls that will shread anything or anyone in their path. It's a cluster munition without all the problems cluster munitions with bomblets cause. He's a demo of it:

 
He also mentioned how in the past Russians defeated Europe and that today they have nukes and mobilizations, etc.
He has the same problem Putin has, they both got high on their own propaganda and started to believe their own lies themselves.
Happens if you are an insecure person on a power trip for too long, you will end up in fantasy-land-.

One can only hope that rational people remove them and replace them before its too late.
 
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And as for the abstentions and no votes, there's some very notable names in there... China, India, Pakistan, South Africa and Thailand... just wow.
If I was a betting man, I'd wager that India's absentee vote has at least something to do with half of the Indian Air Force being comprised of Russian MiG-29s and Su-30s, among other reasons.
 
It's a cluster munition without all the problems cluster munitions with bomblets cause.
At the risk of being that guy, not really. It's an optimised fragmentation warhead that performs at a level comparable to similar cluster munitions. If it doesn't have sub-munitions, and it doesn't, then it's not a cluster munition.

It's just the end product of a design philosophy that's been going for decades of optimising "fragment" size, shape, weight and placement to generate very specific and very consistent effects. Back in ye olde days the fragments were part of the casing that was shattered on detonation, but modern designs have either pre-scored sleeves to break into fragments of a specific size or just individual "fragments" like these balls packed in a way that gives the desired effect.

The Australian F1 grenade is a product of the same ideas but as a hand grenade - steel balls in a specific pattern to generate optimal lethality. But it's not a cluster munition either, it's just a better designed fragmentation grenade.

Sorry if this seems nitpicky, but ultimately the reason it doesn't have the problems associated with cluster munitions is that it's not a cluster munition. Which is great, because cluster munitions are one of those weapons that should probably have no place on the battlefield.
 
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The war isn’t about NATO membership. It’s about Ukrainian independence. Putin is mad that his loyal puppet was kicked out of office 8 years ago, which meant he could no longer control Ukraine in the same way he controls Belarus. Putin believes Ukraine should not exist, it should belong to Russia, for historical reasons. Independence on paper? Sure. As long as their best friend is Russia.
I don't mean to offend but your signature "Russian warship, go **** yourself." kinda tells it all man. How come are you at this point still parading a proven lie put forth by the Ukrainian government at the very start of the conflict, a lie that I personally called right away before it even got exposed, it was just a pretty weak piece of propaganda to boost the war effort, it wasn't the only one either.
Putin certainly got his fair share of lies too, but why must we suffer over Ukraine? they are not exactly a role model, The Guardian deemed it one of the most corrupt countries in Europe not too long ago, 2015 I believe, and quite a few MSM channels on youtube like TIME, BBC and The Guardian have documentaries showing the ugly side of Ukraine's Nationalism, just look up "ukrainian far right" and you will see, NYTimes has articles about it too to quote their article from Feb 10, 2022

"Armed Nationalists in Ukraine Pose a Threat Not Just to Russia

Kyiv is encouraging the arming of nationalist paramilitary groups to thwart a Russian invasion. But they could also destabilize the government if it agrees to a peace deal they reject."


I sympathize with Ukrainian citizens but not the government and we did the best we could, which is helping them find a home here away from war. Giving Ukraine weapons instead of mediating an end to the conflict was and is a big mistake but that's probably what the US wants and other EU warmongers in parliament which I'd be willing to bet are already invested in the war industry, and want this to go on for as long as possible.

I'd let Putin keep the Crimea and the Donbas regions, and stay out of NATO to avoid the bloodshed. And no one can say the invasion would've happened anyway If conditions were met.
Furthermore world leaders don't last forever and there's a good chance Ukraine would get those regions back later on without waging a pointless war over them. Russia is too powerful and willing to use tactical nukes. It's a losing bet but our politicians are still betting hard on it with little regard for our degrading livelihoods or how many people die in the conflict.
 
Look at this "gem" I found on youtube
I've heard about Wagner group (Nazis in Russian army) but these guys are probably just as bad, they clearly worship conflict and this kind of fanaticism is dangerous to say the least.
Again why should we be giving money and weapons to these people. The way the media is currently portraying them is a sure way to get more good Ukrainians to become "patriotic". Future trouble for Europe.
 
I sympathize with Ukrainian citizens but not the government and we did the best we could, which is helping them find a home here away from war. Giving Ukraine weapons instead of mediating an end to the conflict was and is a big mistake but that's probably what the US wants and other EU warmongers in parliament which I'd be willing to bet are already invested in the war industry, and want this to go on for as long as possible.

I'd let Putin keep the Crimea and the Donbas regions, and stay out of NATO to avoid the bloodshed. And no one can say the invasion would've happened anyway If conditions were met.
Furthermore world leaders don't last forever and there's a good chance Ukraine would get those regions back later on without waging a pointless war over them. Russia is too powerful and willing to use tactical nukes. It's a losing bet but our politicians are still betting hard on it with little regard for our degrading livelihoods or how many people die in the conflict.
Why stop at letting Russia have Crimea and the Donbas? Why not just give them the entirety of Ukraine and resolve the conflict entirely?
 
I don't mean to offend but your signature "Russian warship, go **** yourself." kinda tells it all man. How come are you at this point still parading a proven lie put forth by the Ukrainian government at the very start of the conflict, a lie that I personally called right away before it even got exposed, it was just a pretty weak piece of propaganda to boost the war effort, it wasn't the only one either.
What lie? It’s a statement. Russian warship, go **** yourself. If by “tells it all” you mean that it’s obvious that I support Ukraine, then yes that’s true and a very good observation.

Here you can read more about it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_warship,_go_****_yourself

Putin certainly got his fair share of lies too, but why must we suffer over Ukraine?
Because Ukraine was invaded by Russia and that is unacceptable. Why do you believe we should not help Ukraine?

they are not exactly a role model, The Guardian deemed it one of the most corrupt countries in Europe not too long ago, 2015 I believe, and quite a few MSM channels on youtube like TIME, BBC and The Guardian have documentaries showing the ugly side of Ukraine's Nationalism, just look up "ukrainian far right" and you will see, NYTimes has articles about it too to quote their article from Feb 10, 2022
Corrupt countries doesn’t have a right to exist? Or what’s the logic there exactly? War is fine as long as it doesn’t happen to countries where there’s no corruption? Nationalism is ugly, yes. Why is Ukrainian nationalism worse than in any other country and why does it mean we shouldn’t support Ukraine?

"Armed Nationalists in Ukraine Pose a Threat Not Just to Russia

Kyiv is encouraging the arming of nationalist paramilitary groups to thwart a Russian invasion. But they could also destabilize the government if it agrees to a peace deal they reject."
As far as I know they haven’t rejected any peace deal.
I sympathize with Ukrainian citizens but not the government and we did the best we could, which is helping them find a home here away from war. Giving Ukraine weapons instead of mediating an end to the conflict was and is a big mistake but that's probably what the US wants and other EU warmongers in parliament which I'd be willing to bet are already invested in the war industry, and want this to go on for as long as possible.
Newsflash: The war was started by Russia and will continue until Russia wants it to stop. You think we should abandon Ukraine and let Russia do whatever they want with the country, which isn’t going to be pretty. Some Russian units still believe they are there to fight Nazis so when they interrogate civilians about the whereabouts of these Nazis and the civilians have no idea what the **** they’re talking about the Russians think they are Nazis too and torture them before murdering them. A leader of the LPR stated on video that the war is about “changing the mind” of Ukrainians and that if they don’t change their mind (i.e. become more friendly towards Russia) they will exterminate them.

I'd let Putin keep the Crimea and the Donbas regions, and stay out of NATO to avoid the bloodshed.
Why? What makes you think it would avoid a bloodshed and what makes you think Putin would be happy to keep Crimea and Donbas? What makes you think that he won’t invade Moldova, Georgia and Azerbaijan next if his war in Ukraine becomes a victory?
And no one can say the invasion would've happened anyway If conditions were met.
You can’t say it wouldn’t have happened either. In fact, it’s been reported that Putin rejected a peace deal that met his so called demands on the first day of the invasion.

Furthermore world leaders don't last forever and there's a good chance Ukraine would get those regions back later on without waging a pointless war over them.
How would that happen? Who do you believe would raise to power after Putin and why would he decide to return the land to Ukraine? What makes you think Ukraine would even exist at that point if we end the support?

Russia is too powerful and willing to use tactical nukes.
That’s exactly why we have NATO. Nuclear weapons is a red line that will make it very difficult for NATO not to get involved and Putin knows this very well.
It's a losing bet but our politicians are still betting hard on it with little regard for our degrading livelihoods or how many people die in the conflict.
Would you say the same when your country is invaded by Russia?
 
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I'd let Putin keep the Crimea and the Donbas regions, and stay out of NATO to avoid the bloodshed. And no one can say the invasion would've happened anyway If conditions were met
That is part of the invasion. Negotiation peace with an aggressor has proven to be futile before.
If Russia are being allowed to keep the parts of Ukraine sovereign soil to make them happy what's to stop them from regrouping and trying again in a couple of years.

You sound like Neville Chamberlain. Or worse, a collaborator with an invasive force.
 
How come are you at this point still parading a proven lie put forth by the Ukrainian government at the very start of the conflict, a lie that I personally called right away before it even got exposed, it was just a pretty weak piece of propaganda to boost the war effort, it wasn't the only one either
Record is real, situation is real, only misunderstanding was that garrison wasn't killed.
they are not exactly a role model, The Guardian deemed it one of the most corrupt countries in Europe not too long ago, 2015
Bunch of European countries raised its corruption level since than, while Ukraine clearly moving to lesser corruption. And Russia is one of the most corrupted counties in the world.
just look up "ukrainian far right"
8 years fighting against occupation.
I'd let Putin keep the Crimea and the Donbas regions
Putin also wants Kharkiv, Zaporozhye, Dnepr, Mikolayev, Sumy, Chernigov, Odessa, Krivoy Rog and Transdnistra. All those were stated as "russian" regions by russian officials.
Russia is too powerful
Are you living in spring 2022? Because here, in October 2022, Russian forces are lossing territories for three months and only gain of territories Konashenkov reporting is Zaytsevo village (which they reporting third time, every month since August 2022). Mobilization would ruin already low moral and you could expect loss of Zaporozhye and Kherson by the end of the year. I am not sure about Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea, more likely they would stay in pre24feb state for some time.

As for nukes, only way to use them is cutting bridges through Dnepr. This would slow down Ukrainian offence in Donetsk and Lugansk, but wouldn't help defend Kherson and Zaporozhye. Also, there is Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances which states:
[USA, UK, RF would] Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory[Ukraine] if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
 
I don't mean to offend but your signature "Russian warship, go **** yourself." kinda tells it all man. How come are you at this point still parading a proven lie put forth by the Ukrainian government at the very start of the conflict, a lie that I personally called right away before it even got exposed, it was just a pretty weak piece of propaganda to boost the war effort, it wasn't the only one either.
Citation required.
Putin certainly got his fair share of lies too, but why must we suffer over Ukraine? they are not exactly a role model, The Guardian deemed it one of the most corrupt countries in Europe not too long ago, 2015 I believe,
What level of corruption is acceptable before you would lend assistance to a sovereign nation that has been illegally invaded?
and quite a few MSM channels on youtube like TIME, BBC and The Guardian have documentaries showing the ugly side of Ukraine's Nationalism, just look up "ukrainian far right" and you will see, NYTimes has articles about it too to quote their article from Feb 10, 2022

"Armed Nationalists in Ukraine Pose a Threat Not Just to Russia

Kyiv is encouraging the arming of nationalist paramilitary groups to thwart a Russian invasion. But they could also destabilize the government if it agrees to a peace deal they reject."
And what percentage of the armed forces and national government do far-right nationalists make up? I take it you live in a country with zero corruption and zero far-right/nationalist representation within your national government and/or supported by the electorate at large (hint: you don't).
I sympathize with Ukrainian citizens but not the government and we did the best we could, which is helping them find a home here away from war. Giving Ukraine weapons instead of mediating an end to the conflict was and is a big mistake but that's probably what the US wants and other EU warmongers in parliament which I'd be willing to bet are already invested in the war industry, and want this to go on for as long as possible.
You seem to be unaware that mediation was attempted, and Russia ignored it, repeatedly.
I'd let Putin keep the Crimea and the Donbas regions, and stay out of NATO to avoid the bloodshed. And no one can say the invasion would've happened anyway If conditions were met.
Furthermore world leaders don't last forever and there's a good chance Ukraine would get those regions back later on without waging a pointless war over them. Russia is too powerful and willing to use tactical nukes. It's a losing bet but our politicians are still betting hard on it with little regard for our degrading livelihoods or how many people die in the conflict.
So you would simply accept Russia's illegal invasion, what would you then do when an emboldened Russia moved on to the next non-NATO country it still considers 'its own'?
Look at this "gem" I found on youtube
I've heard about Wagner group (Nazis in Russian army) but these guys are probably just as bad, they clearly worship conflict and this kind of fanaticism is dangerous to say the least.
Again why should we be giving money and weapons to these people. The way the media is currently portraying them is a sure way to get more good Ukrainians to become "patriotic". Future trouble for Europe.

Once again, what percentage of the armed forces do they make up?

What you seem to be doing is treating this as a zero-sum argument, it's not. The far-right in Ukraine is actually quite small, and it's more than possible to call them out and still support Ukraine's fight against an illegal invasion.
 
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Putin certainly got his fair share of lies too, but why must we suffer over Ukraine? they are not exactly a role model, The Guardian deemed it one of the most corrupt countries in Europe not too long ago, 2015 I believe, and quite a few MSM channels on youtube like TIME, BBC and The Guardian have documentaries showing the ugly side of Ukraine's Nationalism, just look up "ukrainian far right" and you will see, NYTimes has articles about it too to quote their article from Feb 10, 2022
Ukraine of 2015 is much different than Ukraine of 2022 with the biggest difference being that the current president isn't a Russian puppet like Viktor Yanukovych was. So yes, under the Azarov government, Ukraine was unbelievably corrupt, and while there are still undoubtedly problems in Ukraine, they aren't nearly as corrupt as they were 8 years ago.
Russia is too powerful and willing to use tactical nukes.
The Soviet Union was powerful, Russia is just a husk of that with a bunch of outdated equipment and a ton of corruption. Yes, Russia has nuclear weapons, but considering they couldn't even properly maintain the tires on their trucks, I'm going to guess their nukes aren't exactly in the best condition. It's incredibly expensive to maintain nuclear weapons and requires a good number of people who know what the hell they are doing. The US spends roughly $60 billion annually maintaining our nuclear weapons.
 
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