Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[EngieDiesel]

I think it's more along the lines of the one that starts with a bly.

Usually prefaced with "Rush B", if you remember your internet memes.

 

[sirjim73]

Usually prefaced with "Rush B", if you remember your internet memes.

I was thinking he might mean, a male cow followed by what I just did while reading this thread


An interesting read below, something a bit more positive for once,

Oasis on the Adriatic where Ukrainians and Russians have gone to escape war

Immigrants descended in large numbers on Montenegro, which has managed the influx despite its small size.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Dennisch]

Shame if true. He should have suffered a lot longer in a Russian prison and then serve some more time over here.

I hope his dead was full of agony, pain and mental terror. ****ing asswipe.

 

[Joey D]

 

[inCloud]

Nothing about Strelkov here, strange.

 

[Boston77]

Strange?
🤣🤣🤣
It’s Russia
No independent media anywhere.
No sympathy for this dirtbag alive or dead!

 

[inCloud]

Strange

No one reporting his death, I am subscribed at aggregator tg channels that would report this in few hours at most. Still, could be some no name or Ukrainians spreading fake stuff.

No independent media anywhere.

Every Russian region has, at least, one small independent internet media. Plenty of federal level independente medias has few hundreds subscribers.
Those are crowdfunded or doing adds for local businesses, so its peak of independence.

There are big media with millions of subscribers that are funded by Western grants. Think of FOX or SNN level of independence.

They struggle, but still working.

 

[Liquid]

Shame if true.

Come on, guys. It wasn't presented as fact.

 

[inCloud]

Discord banned in RF.

 

[inCloud]

Discord banned in RF.

RKN(censorship agency) was ddos'ed by angry gamers into oblivion

 

[inCloud]

Discord banned in RF.

Z-channels saying that Discord was used as streaming service for RUAF and that ban of it injuring tactical management of forces.

Its well known that Discord is one of the communication tools for Ukrainian armed forces

 

[UKMikey]

North Koreans deployed alongside Russian troops in Ukraine, sources say

Engineers said to be supporting missile launches and reports of North Koreans killed near Donetsk

www.theguardian.com

 

[inCloud]

North Koreans deployed alongside Russian troops in Ukraine, sources say

Engineers said to be supporting missile launches and reports of North Koreans killed near Donetsk

www.theguardian.com

There were reports of killed Iranians drone operators too, not a big deal.

Kadirov treating Suleiman Kerimov with blood feud.

 

[Liquid]

**** this dicktator-sucking worm.

 

[inCloud]

this dicktator-sucking worm

From realpolitik standpoint:

Russia is bigger, has few times more resources and population. Western support till 2022 invasion was mostly non-lethal with Javelins at most(sent under Trump, Obama didn't send any lethal weapons when RF annexed Crimea). Zelenskiy, meanwhile, sabotaged Minsk agreements and personally insulted Russian dictator few times. Even when US warned him about Russian invasion, he did nothing to prevent it.

Its miracle that he wasn't killed by Russian specops in February 2022 and whole Ukrainian resistance not collapsed in result.

Now, Ukraine losing at all fronts, 30% of its economy nonexistent, 30% of its population is gone and, most likely, wouldn't be back. Instead of seeking peace, Zelenskiy trying to convince NATO and EU to take him inside(and participate in conflict), while situation with corruption, free speech and political repressions in his country is worse than in 2021.

Zelenskiy himself isn't victim of war, he is beneficiary of it(he gained popularity and power), so its not victimblaming.

All of it doesn't mean that blame isn't on Putin, of course. But question to Zelenskiy "Does he done everything to protect Ukraine from war?" Is 100% legit. Its his job, after all.

 

[McLaren]

Even when US warned him about Russian invasion, he did nothing to prevent it.

Nice revisionist history there.

Zelensky this week urged NATO to speed up his country's request for membership in the alliance, saying this was the only way to end the conflict.

In his first call with Zelensky last week, Biden affirmed Washington's "unwavering support" for Kyiv in the conflict.

Ukraine's Zelensky on frontline as Merkel urges Putin to pull back troops

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky travelled to the country's eastern frontline on Thursday, as German Chancellor Angela Merkel urged Vladimir Putin to reduce Russia's troop buildup near Ukraine.

www.ctvnews.ca

"We believe that very dangerous rhetoric is coming out of Russia," Zelensky told a wide-ranging press conference in Kiev.

"It is a signal that there could be escalation," he said.

Zelensky said Ukraine was ready to take on Russia if Moscow decides to move troops across the border.

"There is a threat today that there will be war tomorrow," he said, adding that Kiev's "powerful" army was "entirely prepared".

He called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to deny he was planning an invasion.

"The president of Russia should say in public: 'We are not planning this'," Zelensky said.

Zelensky warns Ukraine 'entirely prepared' if Russia attacks

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that Russia was sending "very dangerous" signals with troop movements on the border, warning that his military was ready to push back any offensive.…

www.france24.com

The only tension Zelenskky had was how immediate of a threat the invasion was with Biden, but to say he did nothing is not true.

Instead of seeking peace,

This has been debunked as well. Russia's only idea of peace is for Ukraine to surrender the eastern parts & not join NATO.

he is beneficiary of it(he gained popularity and power)

He won the election in 2019 with 75% of the voters. He already had "popularity & power".

 

[Carbonox]

He certainly took his time, but at last the so-called breath of fresh air from 2022 has officially reached his "please keel over and die already" phase.

 

[inCloud]

please keel over and die already

Ukraine loosing ground without Trump, btw

P.s

Ukraine should be invited to join the Commonwealth, 49% Brits say

The finding features in a report by the Policy Exchange think tank which also suggests Prince William should be given a bigger role in the 56-nation association

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[McLaren]

And they'd lose it all with Trump.

 

[inCloud]

Nice revisionist history there.

0 defense lines were built, 0 proRussian mayors were fired, 0 tries were made to negotiate with Russia. Requesting to immediately become NATO member isn't something that could prevent invasion of country that doing it to prevent you membership in NATO by any means possible. Quite opposite.

This has been debunked as well.

By who?

Russia's only idea of peace is for Ukraine to surrender the eastern parts & not join NATO.

Joining NATO for Ukraine is impossible while Putin alive, anyway. While Putin states that he wants Ukraine to completely give him Zaporozhye and Kherson, it would not happen even if Trump completely shut down all US support. Because Dnepr rivera still here and Zaporozhye is lightyears from frontline. Realistically, peace talks would be about freezing conflict at +/- current frontline.
Even if what Putin wants isn't realistic, its starting position for negotiation.

There isn't any suggestions from Ukrainian side(aside from fantasy about "1991 borders and reparations"), would be cool to see something to start negotiating about.

He won the election in 2019 with 75% of the voters. He already had "popularity & power".

By October 2021, Zelenskyy's approval rating had fallen further to 24.7%

Try again.

 

[McLaren]

0 defense lines were built, 0 proRussian mayors were fired, 0 tries were made to negotiate with Russia. Requesting to immediately become NATO member isn't something that could prevent invasion of country that doing it to prevent you membership in NATO by any means possible. Quite opposite.

That still doesn't mean he did nothing.

The bold is just silly. You're going to invade my country and it's my job to negotiate with you? Asinine logic; how about Putin **** off.

By who?

By me.

Joining NATO for Ukraine is impossible while Putin alive, anyway.

And there in lies part of the issue. Putin doesn't run Ukraine, he should have zero say in who it allies with.

Try again.

Well, good job. You've contradicted yourself.

he is beneficiary of it(he gained popularity and power)

So did the war gain him popularity and power, or has it not?