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I was thinking he might mean, a male cow followed by what I just did while reading this thread
An interesting read below, something a bit more positive for once,
Oasis on the Adriatic where Ukrainians and Russians have gone to escape war
Immigrants descended in large numbers on Montenegro, which has managed the influx despite its small size.
www.bbc.co.uk
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No one reporting his death, I am subscribed at aggregator tg channels that would report this in few hours at most. Still, could be some no name or Ukrainians spreading fake stuff.
Every Russian region has, at least, one small independent internet media. Plenty of federal level independente medias has few hundreds subscribers.
Those are crowdfunded or doing adds for local businesses, so its peak of independence.
There are big media with millions of subscribers that are funded by Western grants. Think of FOX or SNN level of independence.
They struggle, but still working.
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North Koreans deployed alongside Russian troops in Ukraine, sources say
Engineers said to be supporting missile launches and reports of North Koreans killed near Donetsk
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There were reports of killed Iranians drone operators too, not a big deal.North Koreans deployed alongside Russian troops in Ukraine, sources say
Engineers said to be supporting missile launches and reports of North Koreans killed near Donetskwww.theguardian.com
Kadirov treating Suleiman Kerimov with blood feud.
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From realpolitik standpoint:
Russia is bigger, has few times more resources and population. Western support till 2022 invasion was mostly non-lethal with Javelins at most(sent under Trump, Obama didn't send any lethal weapons when RF annexed Crimea). Zelenskiy, meanwhile, sabotaged Minsk agreements and personally insulted Russian dictator few times. Even when US warned him about Russian invasion, he did nothing to prevent it.
Its miracle that he wasn't killed by Russian specops in February 2022 and whole Ukrainian resistance not collapsed in result.
Now, Ukraine losing at all fronts, 30% of its economy nonexistent, 30% of its population is gone and, most likely, wouldn't be back. Instead of seeking peace, Zelenskiy trying to convince NATO and EU to take him inside(and participate in conflict), while situation with corruption, free speech and political repressions in his country is worse than in 2021.
Zelenskiy himself isn't victim of war, he is beneficiary of it(he gained popularity and power), so its not victimblaming.
All of it doesn't mean that blame isn't on Putin, of course. But question to Zelenskiy "Does he done everything to protect Ukraine from war?" Is 100% legit. Its his job, after all.
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Nice revisionist history there.
Ukraine's Zelensky on frontline as Merkel urges Putin to pull back troops
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky travelled to the country's eastern frontline on Thursday, as German Chancellor Angela Merkel urged Vladimir Putin to reduce Russia's troop buildup near Ukraine.
www.ctvnews.ca
Zelensky warns Ukraine 'entirely prepared' if Russia attacks
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that Russia was sending "very dangerous" signals with troop movements on the border, warning that his military was ready to push back any offensive.…
www.france24.com
The only tension Zelenskky had was how immediate of a threat the invasion was with Biden, but to say he did nothing is not true.
This has been debunked as well. Russia's only idea of peace is for Ukraine to surrender the eastern parts & not join NATO.
He won the election in 2019 with 75% of the voters. He already had "popularity & power".
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Ukraine loosing ground without Trump, btw
P.s
Ukraine should be invited to join the Commonwealth, 49% Brits say
The finding features in a report by the Policy Exchange think tank which also suggests Prince William should be given a bigger role in the 56-nation association
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0 defense lines were built, 0 proRussian mayors were fired, 0 tries were made to negotiate with Russia. Requesting to immediately become NATO member isn't something that could prevent invasion of country that doing it to prevent you membership in NATO by any means possible. Quite opposite.
By who?
Joining NATO for Ukraine is impossible while Putin alive, anyway. While Putin states that he wants Ukraine to completely give him Zaporozhye and Kherson, it would not happen even if Trump completely shut down all US support. Because Dnepr rivera still here and Zaporozhye is lightyears from frontline. Realistically, peace talks would be about freezing conflict at +/- current frontline.
Even if what Putin wants isn't realistic, its starting position for negotiation.
There isn't any suggestions from Ukrainian side(aside from fantasy about "1991 borders and reparations"), would be cool to see something to start negotiating about.
Try again.
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That still doesn't mean he did nothing.
The bold is just silly. You're going to invade my country and it's my job to negotiate with you? Asinine logic; how about Putin **** off.
By me.
And there in lies part of the issue. Putin doesn't run Ukraine, he should have zero say in who it allies with.
Well, good job. You've contradicted yourself.
So did the war gain him popularity and power, or has it not?
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If you weak and you allies don't give a **** about you? ****Ing YES! World is unfair. Its president's job to prevent such things by any means necessary. Moreover, it was part of Zelenskiy platform to negotiate with Russia and de-escalate, Ukrainians understood that it was necessary. That's why his rating was 25% in 2021(and that he didn't reduce corruption enough).
Putin is dictator in nuclear country, no one can ignore him.
President in country at war has ultimate power until war is over, yes. And yes, his approval rating skyrocketed to insane 99% in 2022 from laughable 25% in 2021. Not sure how I contradicted myself.
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Will be interesting to see if this pans out:
news.sky.com
Are 10,000 North Korean troops really heading to Ukraine?
Western officials are understood to be following the situation closely following claims by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. He warned that the Asian country's involvement would be "the first step to a world war".
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Sorry, but you've been so full of falsehoods these last few months, I don't believe that Ukrainians would want Zelenskyy to negotiate with Putin who would want an outrageous return for not invading. That much was proven just recently with JD/Trump's idea of a peace proposal.
Nope, sorry. That only proves my point he should have no say.
You stated it was high, then it was low. You didn't choose to mention it fluctuated.
Not that it appears to actually matter. His approval rating was still higher than anyone else at the time.
LOL, you're still wrong & always will be on this note.
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Majority of Ukrainians Support Negotiations With Russia For Peace – Poll
Research shows 57 percent of Ukrainians support negotiations with Russia for peace; 35 percent would end the war with the de facto border of Feb. 23, 2022; 38 percent think Kyiv should not negotiate.
www.kyivpost.com
What was proven? By who?
HOW?
I stated it give him popularity. Even 75% to 99% is significant gain.
Because?
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Stop selectively quoting people and replying to only part of what they say. Address what they actually said and not what you want it to look like they said to your advantage.Majority of Ukrainians Support Negotiations With Russia For Peace – Poll
Research shows 57 percent of Ukrainians support negotiations with Russia for peace; 35 percent would end the war with the de facto border of Feb. 23, 2022; 38 percent think Kyiv should not negotiate.
What was proven? By who?
HOW?
I stated it give him popularity. Even 75% to 99% is significant gain.
Because?
This isn't a request, it's an instruction.
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That's a recent poll, not before the war.Majority of Ukrainians Support Negotiations With Russia For Peace – Poll
Research shows 57 percent of Ukrainians support negotiations with Russia for peace; 35 percent would end the war with the de facto border of Feb. 23, 2022; 38 percent think Kyiv should not negotiate.
That the idea of peace for Russia is Ukraine surrendering eastern parts & agreeing not to join NATO. That hampers them one way or the other & it's exactly what Putin would want.
This is not a hard concept to grasp. Just because 1 has nuclear weapons does not give 1 the right to dictate the desire of another country.
If Ukraine wants to join NATO & meets their requirements, they should be allowed to. It is not Putin's decision to say no in a country he does not run.
Because Zelenskyy has already approached peace talks before.
Good Lord, there's an entire Wiki article that specifically outlines them.
Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia
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New development:
www.dw.com
South Korea says North Korean soldiers headed to Ukraine – DW – 10/18/2024
South Korea's spy agency believes as many as 12,000 troops are being sent to Russia to help it fight its war in Ukraine.
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Pure canon-fodder. Poor bas****. They have no idea what's coming to them. Just in time for winter too.
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Rumours are, they are excellent combat engineers and would be used for that role. Hard to imagine how non-russian speaking regiment could be successful.
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