Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[EngieDiesel]

I think it's more along the lines of the one that starts with a bly.

Usually prefaced with "Rush B", if you remember your internet memes.

 

[sirjim73]

Usually prefaced with "Rush B", if you remember your internet memes.

I was thinking he might mean, a male cow followed by what I just did while reading this thread


An interesting read below, something a bit more positive for once,

Oasis on the Adriatic where Ukrainians and Russians have gone to escape war

Immigrants descended in large numbers on Montenegro, which has managed the influx despite its small size.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Dennisch]

Shame if true. He should have suffered a lot longer in a Russian prison and then serve some more time over here.

I hope his dead was full of agony, pain and mental terror. ****ing asswipe.

 

[Joey D]

 

[inCloud]

Nothing about Strelkov here, strange.

 

[Boston77]

Strange?
🤣🤣🤣
It’s Russia
No independent media anywhere.
No sympathy for this dirtbag alive or dead!

 

[inCloud]

Strange

No one reporting his death, I am subscribed at aggregator tg channels that would report this in few hours at most. Still, could be some no name or Ukrainians spreading fake stuff.

No independent media anywhere.

Every Russian region has, at least, one small independent internet media. Plenty of federal level independente medias has few hundreds subscribers.
Those are crowdfunded or doing adds for local businesses, so its peak of independence.

There are big media with millions of subscribers that are funded by Western grants. Think of FOX or SNN level of independence.

They struggle, but still working.

 

[Liquid]

Shame if true.

Come on, guys. It wasn't presented as fact.

 

[inCloud]

Discord banned in RF.

 

[inCloud]

Discord banned in RF.

RKN(censorship agency) was ddos'ed by angry gamers into oblivion

 

[inCloud]

Discord banned in RF.

Z-channels saying that Discord was used as streaming service for RUAF and that ban of it injuring tactical management of forces.

Its well known that Discord is one of the communication tools for Ukrainian armed forces

 

[UKMikey]

North Koreans deployed alongside Russian troops in Ukraine, sources say

Engineers said to be supporting missile launches and reports of North Koreans killed near Donetsk

www.theguardian.com

 

[inCloud]

North Koreans deployed alongside Russian troops in Ukraine, sources say

Engineers said to be supporting missile launches and reports of North Koreans killed near Donetsk

www.theguardian.com

There were reports of killed Iranians drone operators too, not a big deal.

Kadirov treating Suleiman Kerimov with blood feud.

 

[Liquid]

**** this dicktator-sucking worm.

 

[inCloud]

this dicktator-sucking worm

From realpolitik standpoint:

Russia is bigger, has few times more resources and population. Western support till 2022 invasion was mostly non-lethal with Javelins at most(sent under Trump, Obama didn't send any lethal weapons when RF annexed Crimea). Zelenskiy, meanwhile, sabotaged Minsk agreements and personally insulted Russian dictator few times. Even when US warned him about Russian invasion, he did nothing to prevent it.

Its miracle that he wasn't killed by Russian specops in February 2022 and whole Ukrainian resistance not collapsed in result.

Now, Ukraine losing at all fronts, 30% of its economy nonexistent, 30% of its population is gone and, most likely, wouldn't be back. Instead of seeking peace, Zelenskiy trying to convince NATO and EU to take him inside(and participate in conflict), while situation with corruption, free speech and political repressions in his country is worse than in 2021.

Zelenskiy himself isn't victim of war, he is beneficiary of it(he gained popularity and power), so its not victimblaming.

All of it doesn't mean that blame isn't on Putin, of course. But question to Zelenskiy "Does he done everything to protect Ukraine from war?" Is 100% legit. Its his job, after all.

 

[McLaren]

Even when US warned him about Russian invasion, he did nothing to prevent it.

Nice revisionist history there.

Zelensky this week urged NATO to speed up his country's request for membership in the alliance, saying this was the only way to end the conflict.

In his first call with Zelensky last week, Biden affirmed Washington's "unwavering support" for Kyiv in the conflict.

Ukraine's Zelensky on frontline as Merkel urges Putin to pull back troops

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky travelled to the country's eastern frontline on Thursday, as German Chancellor Angela Merkel urged Vladimir Putin to reduce Russia's troop buildup near Ukraine.

www.ctvnews.ca

"We believe that very dangerous rhetoric is coming out of Russia," Zelensky told a wide-ranging press conference in Kiev.

"It is a signal that there could be escalation," he said.

Zelensky said Ukraine was ready to take on Russia if Moscow decides to move troops across the border.

"There is a threat today that there will be war tomorrow," he said, adding that Kiev's "powerful" army was "entirely prepared".

He called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to deny he was planning an invasion.

"The president of Russia should say in public: 'We are not planning this'," Zelensky said.

Zelensky warns Ukraine 'entirely prepared' if Russia attacks

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that Russia was sending "very dangerous" signals with troop movements on the border, warning that his military was ready to push back any offensive.…

www.france24.com

The only tension Zelenskky had was how immediate of a threat the invasion was with Biden, but to say he did nothing is not true.

Instead of seeking peace,

This has been debunked as well. Russia's only idea of peace is for Ukraine to surrender the eastern parts & not join NATO.

he is beneficiary of it(he gained popularity and power)

He won the election in 2019 with 75% of the voters. He already had "popularity & power".

 

[Carbonox]

He certainly took his time, but at last the so-called breath of fresh air from 2022 has officially reached his "please keel over and die already" phase.

 

[inCloud]

please keel over and die already

Ukraine loosing ground without Trump, btw

P.s

Ukraine should be invited to join the Commonwealth, 49% Brits say

The finding features in a report by the Policy Exchange think tank which also suggests Prince William should be given a bigger role in the 56-nation association

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[McLaren]

And they'd lose it all with Trump.

 

[inCloud]

Nice revisionist history there.

0 defense lines were built, 0 proRussian mayors were fired, 0 tries were made to negotiate with Russia. Requesting to immediately become NATO member isn't something that could prevent invasion of country that doing it to prevent you membership in NATO by any means possible. Quite opposite.

This has been debunked as well.

By who?

Russia's only idea of peace is for Ukraine to surrender the eastern parts & not join NATO.

Joining NATO for Ukraine is impossible while Putin alive, anyway. While Putin states that he wants Ukraine to completely give him Zaporozhye and Kherson, it would not happen even if Trump completely shut down all US support. Because Dnepr rivera still here and Zaporozhye is lightyears from frontline. Realistically, peace talks would be about freezing conflict at +/- current frontline.
Even if what Putin wants isn't realistic, its starting position for negotiation.

There isn't any suggestions from Ukrainian side(aside from fantasy about "1991 borders and reparations"), would be cool to see something to start negotiating about.

He won the election in 2019 with 75% of the voters. He already had "popularity & power".

By October 2021, Zelenskyy's approval rating had fallen further to 24.7%

Try again.

 

[McLaren]

0 defense lines were built, 0 proRussian mayors were fired, 0 tries were made to negotiate with Russia. Requesting to immediately become NATO member isn't something that could prevent invasion of country that doing it to prevent you membership in NATO by any means possible. Quite opposite.

That still doesn't mean he did nothing.

The bold is just silly. You're going to invade my country and it's my job to negotiate with you? Asinine logic; how about Putin **** off.

By who?

By me.

Joining NATO for Ukraine is impossible while Putin alive, anyway.

And there in lies part of the issue. Putin doesn't run Ukraine, he should have zero say in who it allies with.

Try again.

Well, good job. You've contradicted yourself.

he is beneficiary of it(he gained popularity and power)

So did the war gain him popularity and power, or has it not?

 

[inCloud]

The bold is just silly. You're going to invade my country and it's my job to negotiate with you? Asinine logic; how about Putin **** off.

If you weak and you allies don't give a **** about you? ****Ing YES! World is unfair. Its president's job to prevent such things by any means necessary. Moreover, it was part of Zelenskiy platform to negotiate with Russia and de-escalate, Ukrainians understood that it was necessary. That's why his rating was 25% in 2021(and that he didn't reduce corruption enough).

Putin doesn't run Ukraine, he should have zero say in who it allies with.

Putin is dictator in nuclear country, no one can ignore him.

So did the war gain him popularity and power, or has it not

President in country at war has ultimate power until war is over, yes. And yes, his approval rating skyrocketed to insane 99% in 2022 from laughable 25% in 2021. Not sure how I contradicted myself.

By me.

LOL.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Will be interesting to see if this pans out:

Are 10,000 North Korean troops really heading to Ukraine?

Western officials are understood to be following the situation closely following claims by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. He warned that the Asian country's involvement would be "the first step to a world war".

news.sky.com

 

[McLaren]

Its president's job to prevent such things by any means necessary. Moreover, it was part of Zelenskiy platform to negotiate with Russia and de-escalate, Ukrainians understood that it was necessary.

Sorry, but you've been so full of falsehoods these last few months, I don't believe that Ukrainians would want Zelenskyy to negotiate with Putin who would want an outrageous return for not invading. That much was proven just recently with JD/Trump's idea of a peace proposal.

Putin is dictator in nuclear country, no one can ignore him.

Nope, sorry. That only proves my point he should have no say.

President in country at war has ultimate power until war is over, yes. And yes, his approval rating skyrocketed to insane 99% in 2022 from laughable 25% in 2021. Not sure how I contradicted myself.

You stated it was high, then it was low. You didn't choose to mention it fluctuated.

Not that it appears to actually matter. His approval rating was still higher than anyone else at the time.

LOL.

LOL, you're still wrong & always will be on this note.

 

[inCloud]

I don't believe that Ukrainians would want Zelenskyy to negotiate with Putin

Majority of Ukrainians Support Negotiations With Russia For Peace – Poll

Research shows 57 percent of Ukrainians support negotiations with Russia for peace; 35 percent would end the war with the de facto border of Feb. 23, 2022; 38 percent think Kyiv should not negotiate.

www.kyivpost.com

That much was proven just recently with JD/Trump's idea of a peace proposal.

What was proven? By who?

That only proves my point

HOW?

You stated it was high, then it was low.

I stated it give him popularity. Even 75% to 99% is significant gain.

you're still wrong & always will be on this note

Because?

 

[Scaff]

Majority of Ukrainians Support Negotiations With Russia For Peace – Poll

Research shows 57 percent of Ukrainians support negotiations with Russia for peace; 35 percent would end the war with the de facto border of Feb. 23, 2022; 38 percent think Kyiv should not negotiate.

www.kyivpost.com

What was proven? By who?

HOW?

I stated it give him popularity. Even 75% to 99% is significant gain.

Because?

Stop selectively quoting people and replying to only part of what they say. Address what they actually said and not what you want it to look like they said to your advantage.

This isn't a request, it's an instruction.

 

[McLaren]

Majority of Ukrainians Support Negotiations With Russia For Peace – Poll

Research shows 57 percent of Ukrainians support negotiations with Russia for peace; 35 percent would end the war with the de facto border of Feb. 23, 2022; 38 percent think Kyiv should not negotiate.

www.kyivpost.com

That's a recent poll, not before the war.

What was proven? By who?

That the idea of peace for Russia is Ukraine surrendering eastern parts & agreeing not to join NATO. That hampers them one way or the other & it's exactly what Putin would want.

HOW?

This is not a hard concept to grasp. Just because 1 has nuclear weapons does not give 1 the right to dictate the desire of another country.

If Ukraine wants to join NATO & meets their requirements, they should be allowed to. It is not Putin's decision to say no in a country he does not run.

Because?

Because Zelenskyy has already approached peace talks before.

Good Lord, there's an entire Wiki article that specifically outlines them.

There have been several rounds of peace talks to halt the Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present) and end the Russo-Ukrainian War (2014–present) in an armistice.

Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[HenrySwanson]

New development:

South Korea says North Korean soldiers headed to Ukraine – DW – 10/18/2024

South Korea's spy agency believes as many as 12,000 troops are being sent to Russia to help it fight its war in Ukraine.

www.dw.com

 

[TheCracker]

Pure canon-fodder. Poor bas****. They have no idea what's coming to them. Just in time for winter too.

 

[inCloud]

New development:

Rumours are, they are excellent combat engineers and would be used for that role. Hard to imagine how non-russian speaking regiment could be successful.