Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[breeminator]

We cannot achieve peace by rewarding an aggressor for their initiation of violence.

Rewarding the initiator of violence encourages future initiation of violence.

We need to make the consequences of initiating violence so intolerable that nobody wants to initiate violence.

This seems to be understood when dealing with "normal" crimes such as murder, and forgotten (by some people) when dealing with war.

Roosevelt understood it in 1941:

"[17] No realistic American can expect from a dictator’s peace international generosity, or return of true independence, or world disarmament, or freedom of expression, or freedom of religion–or even good business.

[18] Such a peace would bring no security for us or for our neighbors. “Those, who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”"

FDR, "The Four Freedoms," Speech Text - Voices of Democracy

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT, 1941 STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS “THE FOUR FREEDOMS” (6 JANUARY 1941) [1] Mr. President, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Seventy-seventh Congress: [2] I address you, the Members of the members of this new Congress, at a moment unprecedented in the history of the Union. I use...

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The kind of deal that is being talked about for Ukraine is the temporary safety Roosevelt warned of.

 

[dcmo3]

We cannot achieve peace by rewarding an aggressor for their initiation of violence.

Rewarding the initiator of violence encourages future initiation of violence.

We need to make the consequences of initiating violence so intolerable that nobody wants to initiate violence.

This seems to be understood when dealing with "normal" crimes such as murder, and forgotten (by some people) when dealing with war.

Roosevelt understood it in 1941:

"[17] No realistic American can expect from a dictator’s peace international generosity, or return of true independence, or world disarmament, or freedom of expression, or freedom of religion–or even good business.

[18] Such a peace would bring no security for us or for our neighbors. “Those, who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”"

FDR, "The Four Freedoms," Speech Text - Voices of Democracy

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT, 1941 STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS “THE FOUR FREEDOMS” (6 JANUARY 1941) [1] Mr. President, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Seventy-seventh Congress: [2] I address you, the Members of the members of this new Congress, at a moment unprecedented in the history of the Union. I use...

voicesofdemocracy.umd.edu

The kind of deal that is being talked about for Ukraine is the temporary safety Roosevelt warned of.

The war is over, and Ukraine lost. Continuing it any further only leads to the total destruction of Ukraine. Nothing is going to regain lost territory that Russia doesn't want to give up.

This isn't 1941, things have changed. Countries back then didn't have the ability to destroy the entire world (note on 18 - these are Benjamin Franklin's words, FDR merely plagiarized them).

This isn't our war, and the U.S. has already gotten way too involved. For the U.S. to get directly involved in the war, means ultimately it goes nuclear (whether us or them with the initial strike). If England and France want this war, they can have it, but they'll be on their own.

 

[UKMikey]

Spoken like a true surrender monkey.

 

[Liquid]

Rewarding the initiator of violence encourages future initiation of violence.

This is what Trump and Putin want though.

This isn't our war

As a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum, it is. Unhappy with the Budapest Memorandum? The United States has long declared itself the greatest democracy in the world, the leaders of the free world and the World Police, self-aggranding titles it loved to rub in everyone else's faces. Now's the time to actually prove it.

Or is the United States' word worth nothing? With the current state of US politics, I think everybody already knows the answer.