RVR's 1st Annual 525PP European Car Shootout!!! Final Tester and Tuner Results! :D
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Think your forgetting that lone wolves never go after Buffalo and only the sick and young get attacked by wolf packs.
The attitude a lot of people have about BMWs is half the reason I'm not a real fan of them...ultimate driving machines my 🤬.
That said I'm very interested in seeing LexSombra's time with the M5 '05 since its using the stock suspension which I feel is possibly the best in the game.
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They do have excellent stock suspensions, but in GT, you gain cornering grip automatically by installing custom suspensions, so that will be it's downfall in this competition.Think your forgetting that lone wolves never go after Buffalo and only the sick and young get attacked by wolf packs.
The attitude a lot of people have about BMWs is half the reason I'm not a real fan of them...ultimate driving machines my 🤬.
That said I'm very interested in seeing LexSombra's time with the M5 '05 since its using the stock suspension which I feel is possibly the best in the game.
I tested an M5 out, (racing suspension tuned) but due to extra weight it was a tick slower than the M3's, but did very well in general compared to other cars.
And they thought it meant "slacker" It's Sherlock, obviously
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LexSombra
I'm just pointing out if your gonna spend a hour or so on the tunes, after a bit the HP drops as you build mileage. You have to re-borrow the car or simply build your own & keep it repaired.
I don't know what lap time you should get. I'm just disappointed in what you got. I guess I don't understand how somebody could drive a vehicle that holds higher cornering speed, accelerates faster, has a shorter braking distance, & that corners like its on rails, could possible be that much slower that a Pig SUV even if well tuned (as it us, cars did a great job, but it is what it is) it's mind boggling, it's ass though something is not right. Literally it's as Though a Stock 2011 Stang got smoked by a Stock 2000 Focus. Yeah it could happen but if it did you would be thinking something was off too.
Dint let me being disappointed effect you, I'm just saddened at that result, truly disappointed, feeling like you could do better. I'm sure everybody thinks somebody at some time could do better than what's been done, I'm just honest, speak what's on my mind. Say what I mean and mean what I say. So I say I'm disappointed because I am. Not mad, as you've dine nothing wrong, and I don't feel your dogging me in any way (might be dogging the base M3, JK
) I feel you could do better with it. Aside from the Evora there are 4 cars I expect to be topping the list, the M3 included. So I feel disappointed, not upset.
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2 things for what they're worth AT:I'm just pointing out if your gonna spend a hour or so on the tunes, after a bit the HP drops as you build mileage. You have to re-borrow the car or simply build your own & keep it repaired.
I don't know what lap time you should get. I'm just disappointed in what you got. I guess I don't understand how somebody could drive a vehicle that holds higher cornering speed, accelerates faster, has a shorter braking distance, & that corners like its on rails, could possible be that much slower that a Pig SUV even if well tuned (as it us, cars did a great job, but it is what it is) it's mind boggling, it's ass though something is not right. Literally it's as Though a Stock 2011 Stang got smoked by a Stock 2000 Focus. Yeah it could happen but if it did you would be thinking something was off too.
Dint let me being disappointed effect you, I'm just saddened at that result, truly disappointed, feeling like you could do better. I'm sure everybody thinks somebody at some time could do better than what's been done, I'm just honest, speak what's on my mind. Say what I mean and mean what I say. So I say I'm disappointed because I am. Not mad, as you've dine nothing wrong, and I don't feel your dogging me in any way (might be dogging the base M3, JK
1: I found the stock M3 significantly slower (about a full second) in my testing.
2: Horsepower only drops after 150 miles, no matter the car, or mileage in GT5, which is equal to about 67 laps, or roughly 1 hour and 40 minutes of continuous, non-stop (no restarts) testing.
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I'm just pointing out if your gonna spend a hour or so on the tunes, after a bit the HP drops as you build mileage. You have to re-borrow the car or simply build your own & keep it repaired.
I don't know what lap time you should get. I'm just disappointed in what you got. I guess I don't understand how somebody could drive a vehicle that holds higher cornering speed, accelerates faster, has a shorter braking distance, & that corners like its on rails, could possible be that much slower that a Pig SUV even if well tuned (as it us, cars did a great job, but it is what it is) it's mind boggling, it's ass though something is not right. Literally it's as Though a Stock 2011 Stang got smoked by a Stock 2000 Focus. Yeah it could happen but if it did you would be thinking something was off too.
Dint let me being disappointed effect you, I'm just saddened at that result, truly disappointed, feeling like you could do better. I'm sure everybody thinks somebody at some time could do better than what's been done, I'm just honest, speak what's on my mind. Say what I mean and mean what I say. So I say I'm disappointed because I am. Not mad, as you've dine nothing wrong, and I don't feel your dogging me in any way (might be dogging the base M3, JK
Don't worry Assassin, I will try it again tomorrow...
I wil see what I can do.
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- XDesperado67
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@Assassin, I wouldn't call less than a 10th of a second being smoked. I think Lex probably has a very similar driving style to mine except he obviously is cleaner and more consistent, thus my tune worked great for him. While its been good for others, its not been anywhere near this good comparatively speaking, and I accept that because I know my tuning isn't perfect for everyone to get the maximum performance out of it. Also I chose to tune an SUV because it was different. If I had been seriously trying to win I would have entered an Audi S4 (either year was great) or the HPA R32 Stage II. I didn't test drive every car that qualified for this shootout, but I tested a very large number of them and for me and my driving style the Audi's in general and the S4s in particular were both the fastest and the easiest to get great performance out of. Given a different track and/or tires it very well could have been some other car that I felt topped the list. But that is why we do these is to see how they perform for different people and their driving styles. What may be the fastest car for you is not necessarily the fastest car for anyone else.
Peace and remember
As Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!
Peace and remember
As Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!
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I'm very surprise with your time and my car. I've test all those cars and i'm still 0"800 faster with my audi than the M3 or audi TT. It's not a few...
I really wasn't expecting a so bad result.
Let's see others testers if the car fit better to them and also the result of the others 2 R8....
Much I think has to do with Driving Style. Some Set-ups work well for specific styles. Then there is the wheel factor, some set-ups favor a wheel over a DS3. I drove your R8 and wasn't able to keep up with my Tune, doesn't meant it's going to be faster for everybodyWith so many Tunes there is going to a variety of Styles. That's what makes these Shootouts so interesting, we get to see what is more versatile.
Not sure I understand you.
I'm saying the "fastest" car might not be the same for everybody. Your R8 was the fastest for you, but not for me. While your style allowed you to drive the R8 much faster, my style was faster for me in other cars.
People have to keep in mind the fastest cars they find in testing, are not always the fastest for everybody. While Tunes can work well for specific Driving Styles, so can certain platforms. This is also added to certain platforms being easier to drive with either the wheel or DS3.
What's most versatile will be what works best over a variety of Driving Styles & those styles coupled by user's using a wheel or DS3.
X lol when I said versatile I meant what works best over a wide variety of Driving Styles
Assasin ,check what you've answered when i was 800 slower than you with indy.... He did not test my car again, so i don't see why lex must give you one more chance. Fair?
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Well if Lex wants to test them all again I see no problem, but anyone re-testing a single car will yield unfair results, I saw this in the FF shootout, which was the reason I drove them all again.
Also, as Tris said, eventually you just get driving lines somewhat "perfected" and can just start nailing laps, which is why I like the "two shorter sessions for each car" method.
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I agree totaly. But this is not this way . No tuners can put this kind of pressure over a tester. Like himself explain, everybody have his own driving style and fit better to one car than another car.So everybody need to show more respect for testers and other tuner's cars too.
That's all i want to say. Good night madame.
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As I said in my final post, I did initial test with all cars took some time to jot down a couple notes, then went at it again for final run and times. while this worked for me, I do wish I would have spent a little more time with each car/tune...If i do anther shootout I will change my style and use the time allotted in a better manner, I just felt real comfy at Dry Lake's as it is my primary TT, just don't use Tsukaba as the test track for the next event
Indy
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As long as you feel the overall times you post are equal in terms of your ability, and the standings wouldn't change with different laps, you've done excellent work.👍As I said in my final post, I did initial test with all cars took some time to jot down a couple notes, then went at it again for final run and times. while this worked for me, I do wish I would have spent a little more time with each car/tune...If i do anther shootout I will change my style and use the time allotted in a better manner, I just felt real comfy at Dry Lake's as it is my primary TT, just don't use Tsukaba as the test track for the next event
Indy
It's more important the times represent what the cars theoretically can run in your hands, then just having fast lap times. In other words, if you feel the fastest car got the fastest time, 5th fastest got the 5th fastest, etc, then your results can't improve from that.
Agreed, and Good night
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You guys are too much
He typoed my time and had it at 1:39 when it was supposed to be 1:29 even though, it's capable of faster than that what? I'm not allowed to be Disappointed?!?! Get Real! I never said it was tested unfairly, Hell I would accept the time at 1:39 Cest La Vie, I'd still be disappointed . 1:29 is much better but still disappointed with that result.
As far as testing again. I NEVER pressured or pushed ANYBODY to do any of the sort. HOWEVER I do recall the Testers doing second rounds in the FF Shootout with nobody crying about it. As long as they blanket test the cars m, they can do it how they like. Just be fair with all the cars.
CSLACR I just don't see that when PP matched, not even close to that. That's completely biased
The CSL is nothing special Vs the Base M3 unless stock or fully tuned. When PP matched the M3 is faster as it's lower overall TQ let's you run more HP. That extra HP and better power to weight ratio is useable & allows faster acceleration. This is testable at SSR with only adjusting parts/power not gearing.
The Chassis is practically identical when you toss on adjustable parts and adjust them. Even the Engine is identical. The GTR is slightly different, but not by much. It is the fastest M3, but because we are PP limited, & it has a V8 it has too much TQ and takes a top end HP hit because of it.
At 525pp the M3 is at it's limit against the CSL, but nudges it out still, barely. The variation will be in Tune & Driving style. At one end a style might take the Tune faster than the other and a different style will go the other way. I DON'T believe the CSL when PP restricted has any advantage over the M3 base model, in fact I feel it's the other way around To say the CSL is outright a second faster between the 2 is Laughable. When Stock or fully Tuned, that's absolutely right. The CSL will make more power and weigh less, just as the GTR will be more powerful and lighter than the CSL that has no real bearing on how they will match up when PP matched.
He typoed my time and had it at 1:39 when it was supposed to be 1:29 even though, it's capable of faster than that
what? I'm not allowed to be Disappointed?!?! Get Real! I never said it was tested unfairly, Hell I would accept the time at 1:39 Cest La Vie, I'd still be disappointed . 1:29 is much better but still disappointed with that result.As far as testing again. I NEVER pressured or pushed ANYBODY to do any of the sort. HOWEVER I do recall the Testers doing second rounds in the FF Shootout with nobody crying about it. As long as they blanket test the cars m, they can do it how they like. Just be fair with all the cars.
CSLACR I just don't see that when PP matched, not even close to that. That's completely biased
The CSL is nothing special Vs the Base M3 unless stock or fully tuned. When PP matched the M3 is faster as it's lower overall TQ let's you run more HP. That extra HP and better power to weight ratio is useable & allows faster acceleration. This is testable at SSR with only adjusting parts/power not gearing.
The Chassis is practically identical when you toss on adjustable parts and adjust them. Even the Engine is identical. The GTR is slightly different, but not by much. It is the fastest M3, but because we are PP limited, & it has a V8 it has too much TQ and takes a top end HP hit because of it.
At 525pp the M3 is at it's limit against the CSL, but nudges it out still, barely. The variation will be in Tune & Driving style. At one end a style might take the Tune faster than the other and a different style will go the other way. I DON'T believe the CSL when PP restricted has any advantage over the M3 base model, in fact I feel it's the other way around
To say the CSL is outright a second faster between the 2 is Laughable. When Stock or fully Tuned, that's absolutely right. The CSL will make more power and weigh less, just as the GTR will be more powerful and lighter than the CSL that has no real bearing on how they will match up when PP matched.
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You the man!!!👍👍
Bergmeister rules.
Hey that moves me in front of AC...
What bergmeister ...need to rename flyng deutchman.... To fly just need wings.👍👍👍👍
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It's the same thing any time Assanine or Noob were involved in a challenge or comparison. The end up doing poorly, and then blame every possible thing but their tune. The Yellowbird, the HKS, the LFA, FF shootout, and now this challenge as well?
You guys didn't test on the right track, you didn't drive it hard enough, your driving style doesn't mesh with his tune, he chose the wrong car, blah blah blah. It always something; never the fact that they poorly tuned the car.
So Lex, do yourself a favor, and take no offense and don't let assanine's words discourage you. Every tuner should appreciate the work a tester puts in, regardless of results. It's very time consuming and draining on a driver, and you don't deserve to have anyone question or doubt your skill or ability.
You guys didn't test on the right track, you didn't drive it hard enough, your driving style doesn't mesh with his tune, he chose the wrong car, blah blah blah. It always something; never the fact that they poorly tuned the car.
So Lex, do yourself a favor, and take no offense and don't let assanine's words discourage you. Every tuner should appreciate the work a tester puts in, regardless of results. It's very time consuming and draining on a driver, and you don't deserve to have anyone question or doubt your skill or ability.
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Thank you for the words. I really don't see how I can make a faster lap with that car. And I've tested it for 80~90min. I've tested, for example, praiano63's car for about 25min.
I will test again the cars that I think that have a little more to give, like the TT. I will problably test all the top cars again.
I would like to ask the_dr_slump and mafia_boy to add me on PSN, beacuse I can't add them because they have reached the max number of friends.
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Hey gang, while we are waiting for all of our results to come in, I wanted to take the opportunity to advertise my new home on the tuning forum. To call it a real tuning garage might be a bit of a stretch, but I have a few fun tunes going. I will publish the rest of the cars I was playing with to get ready for this competition, and the others are just some different ways to have fun doing the seasonals for credits.
Please stop by and let me know what you think...
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