RVV Motor Works - White Knight - 10/02/10

300mph TK, sure. Can't promise the world, but I should be able to squeeze 320 out of one. (I've never been able to get an AWD to "dance")

'Stang: 750+ ft/lbs of torque means that it WILL accelerate as fast as it can rev.
 
Mazdaspeed Spec. 2 RX-8 Review

After recent events I couldn't think of a better christmas present for this garage than a review, and in the process even received one by having used such a complete setup.

Not a fault of the setup but my first obstacle was actually buying the car. Perhaps I missed it in the description but I wasn't sure of exactly which version of the RX-8 to buy, in the end settling for the RX-8 Type S [no oil change].

Normally I test cars on Suzuka or GVS but as it says the Ring is prefered, off to the ring I went. On reading the setup of the car I was critical at first, judging the setup as being a bit unrefined and I couldn't quite understand what it was trying to achieve. However after applying the settings, all the doubts were diminished and the setup infact proved to be very accesible and matched well to the rings varied layout.

The first thing I have to comment on is the brake balance. Due to a lapse in concentration I managed to do about 3 laps without actually setting the brake balance and as such was faced with some slight nervous understeer into the corners; in a light bulb over the head moment 💡 I twigged at what had happened. Immediately the car felt more responsive and able to curb the extra speed that the mods had given. Instead of understeer it became a gradual and predictable slide that could be used to get faster lap times (though this required much patience in figuring out the best braking points).

From the start to Aremburg the cars composure was revealed. In the tight and slower sections the car was never at threat of being unbalanced and thankfully the setup made carving through the corners an easy affair. The relative lack of abrupt weight shifting, even under quick changes of direction, made holding the intended lines effortless and on a punishing circuit such as the ring this was very much appreciated.

Onto the faster flowing section of the course right up to Karussel, the setup proved that it was just as capable of dispatching off high speed cornering though with a little less precision. At times the cornering felt a little 'laggy' (the car turns with a noticable delay in relation to the controller input) but I put that down to the inherent characteristics of the tyres that are more prone to sliding at speed. The power which wasn't over kill, but rather "just right", meant the car was able to go at a pace good enough as not to get embaressed by some more up market cars. All I can say is congrats on choosing a power level that was enough to test the tyres but still accesible enough as not to require too much concentration.

From here to the finish the cars overall balance was tested. In terms of the mechanical grip, this was there in ample supply and the car was unphased by the off camber and tricky changes in elevation that would have unsettled a less prepared car. The setup gave predicatable cornering and was consistent letting the driver concentrate purely on the track; this I find is a particularly good trait, especially useful on the ring, showing the faith I had in the setups abilities.

Admittedly going into Pflanzgarten I had a nervous feeling which I never settled but even still the rest of the lap was good enough for this to be ignored. At this point of the track the car would have been helped by some extra downforce helping it to take on the demanding fast corners and simultaneous sudden change in 'altitude'.

As for the remaining part of the track, the only real comment is congrats again on having made the braking responsive and effective.

Overall, after the sceptical start, the setup proved to be very well thought out and exceptional when put to use. There was a good compromise in the setup which gave it a well rounded character which was well suited to the varied nature of the ring. My only complaints are that the car would definately benefit from optimised gearing and being slightly less sensitive to the bumps and curbs which will inevitably be hit.

Mazdaspeed Spec. 2 RX-8 @ Nurburgring; 7'18.810

Pyrelli
 
Thank you, Pyrelli!

Anything you want tuned?

And I'm going to be tweaking it a bit further after the Tuner Challenges. The anti-curb nature of it is due to the shock tuning, and the composed nature of it over quick direction changes would go away. Stock gearbox is due to a want to keep it somewhat resembling stock at least. I'll do some tweaking with the toe angle to see if I can't fix the delayed turn-in at high speeds. And maybe I'll make a monster brother of it. But that's just a maybe.
 
Thank you, Pyrelli!

Anything you want tuned?

And I'm going to be tweaking it a bit further after the Tuner Challenges.

I don't have anything in mind and I'm quite happy to just play with what's already on the list.

Good to hear it's going to get a few tweaks, I'll probably re-evaluate my thoughts on the car then. Also the vid finally uploaded without any problems, it normally comes it at around 200Kb/s so even with the large size shouldn't take too long.

Pyrelli
 
Drove the GT350 today Vince... what else can I say but to echo all the other positive sentiment! It's quite an accomplished car. No sense delving into much detail since I tend to agree with everything else said about it - fantastic pull, good balance of power-over and mid-corner-under. It even felt safe enough to take to the 'ring, where despite its size, it did well! I definitely hope that if the classics challenge comes off, it makes an appearance in the race category ... where it will go head to head with an unbridled, Stig-worthy L46 :sly:
 
Drove the GT350 today Vince... what else can I say but to echo all the other positive sentiment! It's quite an accomplished car. No sense delving into much detail since I tend to agree with everything else said about it - fantastic pull, good balance of power-over and mid-corner-under. It even felt safe enough to take to the 'ring, where despite its size, it did well! I definitely hope that if the classics challenge comes off, it makes an appearance in the race category ... where it will go head to head with an unbridled, Stig-worthy L46 :sly:

I have an L46 too, needs a little refinement though this one but it could rock in the race category. May need to pick something else if everyone picks the same............Hang on a minute, I just realised what you said- a Muscle Car safe at the Ring, now this I can appreciate.
 
After driving my L46 a bit more today, you can have it... I think I'm leaning towards something with a decidedly more insane bent :scared: Here's a hint... it's VERY strange, VERY tailhappy, VERY green, and it's not a toaster.
 
After driving my L46 a bit more today, you can have it... I think I'm leaning towards something with a decidedly more insane bent :scared: Here's a hint... it's VERY strange, VERY tailhappy, VERY green, and it's not a toaster.

Is it a toaster, oh hang on, it can't be. Is this RRV and not the place for this discussion, I thought so. We almost need a thread for this classics stuff.
 
After publishing my FF tonight, I think I shall give a shot to oldschool muscle car. I've already done Camaro Z/28 and 350, but there is one or two more that I'd like to do. C3 vette and C4 vette. I've fooled around with C4's before, and never been disappointed. But I believe that C3 will look just as fast as it is..
 
After publishing my FF tonight, I think I shall give a shot to oldschool muscle car. I've already done Camaro Z/28 and 350, but there is one or two more that I'd like to do. C3 vette and C4 vette. I've fooled around with C4's before, and never been disappointed. But I believe that C3 will look just as fast as it is..

Yeah, like I said, I'm doing C3 and you won't be disappointed, I was surprised how good it was for such an old car, it does need certain levels of refining though, whick reminds me, I better get that car out and do some more settings tests. Hey RRV, what's your next car, with all the hype surrounding classics lately I wouldn't be surprised if it is one. But then you might be giving away tuning ideas before the big challenge.
 
@ markF4E: I'm sorry, life is busy at times and so it has been this weekend and it probably will be for a couple of days... I hope you don't mind your M3 plus your chevelle being a little bit delayed?

No problems at all! This is finals week for me, so Ive been busy anyways. My game save also got corrupted so I wont need them for a while :lol:

Rotary offered to do them so if he wants to I wouldn't mind. If either of you get around to it I'm looking for S3 tires on the GTR and R3 tires on the Chevelle. I like a car that is a little tail happy, with good power. Thats about it, do what you do best!

edit - This is why I want a chevelle tune ;) Restored this car over 3 years with my dad.

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That's what, a '72?

Awesome, man. I'll see if I can tree Vince on the Chevelle, he can have the GTR if he wants. (And if he's busy, I'll do that too)

~Kyle.
 
I'll see what I can do, need to do the Judging on the FWD entries for the Tuner challenge too.:dopey: (8 cars to be found, set-up, reviewed and compared to each other, sounds fun, just sooo time consuming...)
 
I know how stupid publick carn bee, I work in custormor servise and I see many stupid things allll day lorng. If it does make public I'll certainly try it, but unless we can't get judges I was thinking of entering a sports tyre version in the classic challenge but let's see what time brings, I may pick another car. Looking forward to it either way.👍
 
Let's say that the Chevelle weighs in at full stock weight, has 550-576hp without oil change depending on exhaust config, and runs high 11's at the strip.

Oh, and it looks mean and handles very well, especially considering that it's a big-block musclecar. Oh, and it rides high for good looks. (And look good it does. Slightly nose high, up in the air... Mean as hell.)

It should be very good, Mark.

~Kyle
 
No... I just thought that a cool street brawler like this deserves a full interior.

1762kg of Chevelle isn't exactly light, but... Why the hell not?
 
Nonono... It's a musclecar and it makes no bones about it... It's just a musclecar that you can take long trips in without getting a headache from the noise or an ache in yer arse from racing seats.
 
Any muscle with a bit of cruising shine is da (well I would say bomb but with terrorism around......) let's just say it will have a known presence on the road, this has R3 tyres don't it?
 
You have the right to deny the cops entrance to your home if they don't have a warrant.

And yes, the Chevelle has R3 tires. Otherwise it wouldn't hook. Or handle as well as it does.
 
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