it's come to my attention that a member of the finn team found a link to RRV's private website. Unfortunately we didn't see it necessary to put a password on the site since we thought no one would be interested or find the link.
What the hell are you talking about? Your private website, what's that? I've never heard about it and even if I had, I couldn't care less of it. We do our own job. Actually it seems we do it well enough for you guys to have copied our idea - three times. Admit it or not.
Apparently a few of the cars they saw being developed "inspired" them to build their own(notice the simultaneos release of th audi r8) and release them on a similar timetable to ours. this in no way means we have similar setups, we all know the finns can tune just fine without help. It DOES mean that the Finns found it necessary to lower interest in RRV cars by releasing their own and then posting in our own thread how theirs was better. regardless of the performance of said vehicles this is just unacceptable.
You have some nerve. Do you really think that it's impossible for two GT-R freaks to have built the Concept and then thought up a suitable car to match it, which happens to be the Audi? Your GT-R was released on the 10th October, ours on the 27th of October. Your Audi was released on the 20th of October, ours on the 23th of October. If you think three days is too short of an interval, let me tell you that it takes me around three to five hours to make one car, from turning on the PS2 to the release. And if you call the 17 days between the GT-R concepts a similar timetable, I can only wonder.
If we're going this route, you have a lot of cars you've released after us so using your own logic, please explain to me the Viper, 350Z, S15 Silvia, FD RX-7, R32 GT-R and Impreza you have.
You know, this game has only a certain number of cars to be tuned to be fast. The fact that we used them after you doesn't make us copiers. The situation would be different if the settings were similar but as of now, we just chose similar cars. About lowering the interest towards your cars, it surely didn't cross your mind when you wrote that that RRV lowered the interest in MFT as a whole? Was the cake too big and delicious to be eaten alone so something had to be done?
I dunno how the other two members of RRV will respond to this but makes me sad that the respected Finns needed to resort to sneaking around in our private workshop. That's underhanded and just ignorant of you. I'd like an explanation and an apology from them.
You're definitely not going to get an apology from us for something we never did. I don't know about that website of yours. Neither does
Leonidae. Go ahead, ban all traffic from the IP address 84.230.146.148 to make sure I won't get there again. Ban every IP address except the ones of the three of you while you're at it. Create a password if you like. Not that it changes anything, we've never been there. Damn it, we don't even know the address but I bet you won't believe it too easily!
Speaking of sneaking around, you seem to have invisible mode on.
Ever since we started this new garage, which i believe to be the most succesfull since the Mad Finns team was created, we have worked hard to get our best efforts out there and have been cordial to the other garage's, i even try to help the aussie's on occasion if i think it will help. It's shocking to find out that they had a key to the backdoor this whole time. This info by the way was confirmed by MFT themselves in a PM. what do you have to say for yourselves??
What I do have to say is shut the 🤬 up and look at yourself. Did it ever occur to you that me might be working hard too? Did you ignore the tips
Leonidae has been giving to you? You're accusing us of things we never did and generally making yourself look like the biggest fool for miles around with claims like that.
Is this "confirmation" in the PM's I sent to
Rotary Junkie? Well, it can't be anything else. Let me publish them here and comment on them a bit.
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Rotary Junkie
I find it somewhat ironic that at the same time we at RRV were discussing a tailhappy Evo IV, you guys release one three days later...
And the Audi/Skyline...
Which leads me to believe that you guys may have a link to our forum. Since we've had 4 members on at once when there's only 3 of us, it gets a bit suspicious.
Anyhow, I don't want to point any fingers, after all, they do say "Great minds think alike", eh?
I hope like hell I'm wrong.
If I'm completely off base about this, tell me.
Thanks,
Kyle.
You're wrong on two out of three, and right on one.
The Evo IV is a complete coincidence, as you can see from
my Tuner Challenge Entries the Evo was already out on the 1st December.
This post also points to the Evo, made on the 22th November. Moreover, I sent the car in those exact settings to
Evtim on the 16th November. I'm sure he confirms it if you want to ask him. I even have a video clip of a lap with it, also made on the 16th November. I'll give you a link if you want it.
And to be honest, I don't think it's even a coincidence as I can't see any mentions of a tailhappy Evo IV made by any of you RRV guys. You were discussing Imprezas a few days ago though.
That discussing is what I saw in this thread.
The release of the Le Mans Quattro and GT-R Proto was influenced by your cars, I admit that. However, both of them were already ready by then and the settings are easily different enough to kill any plagiarizing accusations. We thought it might be good to give an alternative approach to the cars.
I admit that your cars served as inspiration for us to release ours. Release. They had been built before that.
You have invisible members browsing your garage, right? So do we and after quite a lot of researching I now know for sure that
Pyrelli is one of those. He has invisible mode on. I don't, neither does Leonidae. If we want to take a look at your garage, we get over there and do it openly. Spying scandals á la McLaren aren't needed here.
I thought this was about invisible members browsing your garage. That's what my reply mirrors. I had no idea about the forum, I thought he was talking about RRV.
And if you still want to get nasty about copying ideas, I'll just remind you of the inspiration behind Mallender Racing and RRV...
I think we're about even after those concepts now.
That "being even" points to the fact that you copied our garage idea, we released our concepts to give people choices.
Rene
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Rotary Junkie
Too true, too true.
Truthfully, I really have no problem with you guys "borrowing" ideas from us, but I'll have to wait and see how the other guys feel. (And yes I was a bit pissed when I figured this out,
)
And, since I've put down the PC racing sims for a few minutes, expect a review of the Hommel. Oh, and it's not that bad looking in gray with some BBS RK's [BBS 020])
Good luck to you guys in the tuner challenges!
If the others begin whining because we made two cars they had made too, I definitely have quite a bunch of arguments ready to go. Beginning from the fact that the game happens to have a limited amount of cars worth tuning, continuing to the cars you've released after us.
Unfortunately it became necessary to do just this.
As you see, the Evo was a coincidence. It was built and published before you had even discussed it. Anybody thinking that we would try and gain an advantage by mimicking you is nuts, copying works no good here. Uniqueness is the key, that's why we have cars like the Fiat 500R and and the Hommell. That's why we began the entire thing in the first place, there was no other tuning garage like that. We saw a place to strike. Unfortunately many others saw the same place as soon as they had seen us succeed, which leads me to the next thing.
Knowing how much I hated the hoard of copycats crawling from under the rocks in the immediate aftermath of MFT's beginning tells you how much I'd like to be one myself. It's not the way of working for me. Even if you see borrowing ideas as OK, I don't want to do it. Own ideas feel a lot better.
This tells my own opinion about copying others pretty clearly. I've even said it multiple times before.
About being pissed, you should have seen the conversations I and Leonidae had when the garages kept popping up like mushrooms after a rainy night. Seeing others blatantly taking our idea and trying to steal the show we had written surely made my blood pressure rise. It was so cheap, so transparent, and so damn irritating. One of them even plagiarized us directly, I blew a fuse pretty severely and that guy hasn't been seen ever since.
That unlucky person was minichris502. Do you really think I'd do things like this myself? I'm no turncoat. If one has no honour, they have nothing.
Thanks in advance for the review, and of course for the good luck wishes! 👍
Rene
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No i guess not, you "ran" right into spying on us. What's the purpose in trying to steal our thunder after all the BS you said when we opened about not trying to beat you guys?? It shouldn't be necessary.
All hail MFT, first to make a garage, first to resort to espionage.
We ran into spying on you? Care to explain how? This is hopeless. You've certainly decided that we've done something that we never did, and are now on a personal vendetta against us because of that. It's not even the first time you seem to have serious personal issues with us, I'm beginning to think there's something deeper in this. You're showing signs of paranoia if you think we've been spying you. We don't have to. We do just well on our own.
There's ways of doing that without sneaking around. like waiting around till it's released and THEN coming out with your own version instead of releasing before us.
That's exactly what we did with the concepts, see the dates I mentioned earlier. Both cars were released after yours. What are you foaming about? Moreover, how could we "wait around" without knowing what to wait for?
we've metioned tuner challenges before but you always turned them down or didn't pursue them however you guys DID FOR SURE go to our website unnanounced, find what cars we were developing and develop your own versions without saying anything on more then one occassion. do you deny this?? Then to top it off MFT posted about their own admitedly superior tunes in OUR thread! If there's nothing shady about it then you could of ASKED.
You know for sure that we were there? Evidence, please. I happen to know that you don't have any proof, all you do have is empty claims.
So, you knew what we were working on, you then make your own versions and release on near the same date, am i the only one who sees this is obviously harmfull to our business?? no one disputes your ability as tuners we all know MFT is fast, but your tactics are just dirty.
You really have a good imagination, don't you? I wonder what we'd have to do to prove you we never have even heard about your website. You've just decided in your own head that we're the bad guys and now try to turn others onto your own side and cripple our creditability by trying to make them believe your lies. I don't think you can afford to say anything about dirty tactics when you're doing things like this yourself.
Ironically i offered you the same chance earlier, to build the same car same specs and see how it goes but you guys weren't interested. seeing as you were already doing it secretly it's no surprise..
Oh, please. Do you even believe in that yourself? You're wrong, and I know it with 100% certainty. You have no proof, only assumptions which is hardly a match.
Rotary Junkie himself said to me in a PM that he has no problems with us borrowing ideas. And that's exactly what we have done, we borrowed one idea - the one to release the concepts. I have admitted that. You, in turn, have taken the entire idea for your garage from us. Are you just a really bad loser or what's this about? Unless you can come up with waterproof evidence - which doesn't exist because we haven't been on your site - all you're doing is trying to make us look like the big criminals that are stealing others' work. And trying to take some credit of our car choices as a side product.
We have not been at your private website. We don't know the address. I swear it, although my word may not matter much to you.
By the way, that post of yours got reported. The reason follows.
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Yes, this reply got "a bit" big. There's just no way that I'm going to let this serious false accusations and personal attacks go through.
I drove both Vince's Impreza and RJ's RX8... here goes!
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hmmmmm I smell beef.
