Satanism, and you.

[Swift]

Well just imagine if the 5 of them had 5 kids, and so on. It'd be an exponential family explosion.

But I don't see why we're talking about this, so I'll stop.

Right, so back to the topic. You were saying that Christianity stole things from other religions/societies. Well, I deem that not to be true as I've shown in a few examples.

 

[PS]

Right, so back to the topic. You were saying that Christianity stole things from other religions/societies. Well, I deem that not to be true as I've shown in a few examples.

If the Egyptians used a cross as a symbol before Christianity, and Christianity didn't take it from them, then where'd the cross come from?

 

[Swift]

If the Egyptians used a cross as a symbol before Christianity, and Christianity didn't take it from them, then where'd the cross come from?

It came directly from the way Jesus was executed. If you're saying that the Egyptians crucified people as well then that's cool. But to say that christians "took" that symbol is simply inaccurate.

 

[PS]

It came directly from the way Jesus was executed. If you're saying that the Egyptians crucified people as well then that's cool. But to say that christians "took" that symbol is simply inaccurate.

That's assuming that the stories in the Bible actually happened (some of which you claimed didn't, like Genisis, who knows what else didn't happen).

But no, i'm not saying that Egyptians crucified people—they may well have—but I was suggesting that the cross theme came from them.

 

[Swift]

That's assuming that the stories in the Bible actually happened (some of which you claimed didn't, like Genisis, who knows what else didn't happen).

But no, i'm not saying that Egyptians crucified people—they may well have—but I was suggesting that the cross theme came from them.

Uh, I do claim that genesis happened. All I said is that it wasn't six literal days. That's all.

Besides, you don't have to look at just the bible to see that Jesus was crucified. It was in Pontias Pilate's own diary or whatever they had back then.

So the cross wasn't stolen or borrowed from anyone else.

 

[PS]

Uh, I do claim that genesis happened. All I said is that it wasn't six literal days. That's all.

Besides, you don't have to look at just the bible to see that Jesus was crucified. It was in Pontias Pilate's own diary or whatever they had back then.

So the cross wasn't stolen or borrowed from anyone else.

Surely you don't think that when Christianity started they weren't aware of the Egyptians, do you??

 

[Swift]

Surely you don't think that when Christianity started they weren't aware of the Egyptians, do you??

No, but they didn't use the cross as a symbol until AFTER Jesus was crucified. See the difference?

 

[Grand Prix]

I think what PS is saying is that the Romans couldn't have crucified people if they didn't use a cross, and the cross was a symbol invented by the Egyptians. So Christains indirectly borrowed the cross from the Egyptians.

 

[PS]

I think what PS is saying is that the Romans couldn't have crucified people if they didn't use a cross, and the cross was a symbol invented by the Egyptians. So Christains indirectly borrowed the cross from the Egyptians.

Thank you.


And many of the symbols you see in your US treasury and on your dollar bills ("In God We Trust" is written on them) are from the first Satanic brotherhood.

 

[Grand Prix]

Thank you.

You're welcome.

 

[ledhed]

Tonight " Hell the devils domain" is on the History channel..they will discuss satanism .

 

[PS]

Tonight " Hell the devils domain" is on the History channel..they will discuss satanism .

I wonder if they'll cover anything on the Illuminati. I'm quite intrigued with it, particularily the history, starting with Galileo's involvement. I'm going to watch, thanks for the news.

 

[Swift]

I think what PS is saying is that the Romans couldn't have crucified people if they didn't use a cross, and the cross was a symbol invented by the Egyptians. So Christains indirectly borrowed the cross from the Egyptians.

That's so irrelevant to anything that it's not even remotely funny. No matter what the execution method of Christ that would've been the "symbol" To be honest, symbolizing the cross or bowing down to an actual physical cross is against the word of God.

Exdodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:

So, while the rugged cross symbolizes where Christ suffered and died for us, it shouldn't be worshipped. It's an instrument of execution. The point of the cross was Jesus' selflessness and passion.

 

[Grand Prix]

That's so irrelevant to anything that it's not even remotely funny. No matter what the execution method of Christ that would've been the "symbol" To be honest, symbolizing the cross or bowing down to an actual physical cross is against the word of God.

Exdodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:

So, while the rugged cross symbolizes where Christ suffered and died for us, it shouldn't be worshipped. It's an instrument of execution. The point of the cross was Jesus' selflessness and passion.

Yes, it is irrelevent for the most part.

However, what if Christ had died on the breaking wheel instead? Or the Guillotine? Would people be wearing a necklace with the Guillotine hanging from it? Would any jeweller take as much time and effort to craft a complicated Guillotine as a simple cross?

Of course the Guillotine design wasn't invented in Ireland until the middle ages, but what if?

 

[Swift]

Yes, it is irrelevent for the most part.

However, what if Christ had died on the breaking wheel instead? Or the Guillotine? Would people be wearing a necklace with the Guillotine hanging from it? Would any jeweller take as much time and effort to craft a complicated Guillotine as a simple cross?

Of course the Guillotine design wasn't invented in Ireland until the middle ages, but what if?

Ok, did you read what I posted. Wearing crosses and all that is directly against that commanment. So it doesn't matter what it would be. Even if it was a sword.

 

[Grand Prix]

Ok, did you read what I posted. Wearing crosses and all that is directly against that commanment. So it doesn't matter what it would be. Even if it was a sword.

Are you sure? Every Christain I walk into wears the cross; I guess they're all going to Hell then.

 

[Swift]

Are you sure? Every Christain I walk into wears the cross; I guess they're all going to Hell then.

Not this christian or anyone else that goes to my church. The reason God doesn't want us to create things that we worship here and stop worshiping him. It happened while Moses was getting the commandments, literaly!

I'm not saying I'm perfect and I know many people like to have crosses, but you won't find a single cross in my church.

 

[Grand Prix]

Not this christian or anyone else that goes to my church. The reason God doesn't want us to create things that we worship here and stop worshiping him. It happened while Moses was getting the commandments, literaly!

I'm not saying I'm perfect and I know many people like to have crosses, but you won't find a single cross in my church.

Your church doesn't have a cross on it?

 

[Swift]

Your church doesn't have a cross on it?

No it doesn't. Not anywhere, except for the Easter play.

So there you go bud!

 

[Saleen Man]

And how old are you right now?

I'm 18. Is that supposed to prove something? I'm saying they didn't force it on me even when I was younger. My parents told me what they believe to be true, and pretty much let me accept what I wanted.

Don't speak in absolutes.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

I must agree. There are far to many people proclaiming to be christians and then screaming bloody murder on people. Jesus didn't do this. Except to the Pharises that claimed to be the men of God and were leading the people down the wrong path. Outside of that, Jesus hung out with all the "lowlifes" at the time. Teh vast majority of them became followers.

Jesus was a student of hippie and a carpenter in his spare time , not a palestinian or really a jew what would he have in common with the creatures of the world of uptight muslim communist pollution ???

 

[Swift]

Jesus was a student of hippie and a carpenter in his spare time , not a palestinian or really a jew what would he have in common with the creatures of the world of uptight muslim communist pollution ???

I'm going to be as nice as I can here. But you're about as wrong as you can possibly be. Jesus DID NOT have long straight hair. Show me a jewish person right now with long straight hair. He was very much a hebrew. He was God in the flesh, not everyone accepted him, but he was God.

He actually hung out with tax collectors. The MOST hated people of the time. How's that for being with the uptight part of the world?

 

[Touring Mars]

The BBC had an excellent series a couple of years back, called 'Son Of God' where they explored the life of Jesus...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/sog/index.shtml

This video shows a modern attempt to reconstruct the 'face' of Jesus, and it is very different from the 'artistic interpretation' of what most people believe Jesus to look like, an image reinforced by films like "Jesus Christ Superstar" (the film of the musical by Andrew Lloyd Webber)...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1245000/video/_1245732_jesus13_buchanan_vi.ram

I'm not a religious person myself, but for me, the study and understanding of who Jesus really was and what he really did, are very interesting indeed. As a scientist and a bit of an old skeptic (truth be told), the whole tangible nature of this real issue is much more appealing and interesting...

 

[PS]

I'm 18. Is that supposed to prove something? I'm saying they didn't force it on me even when I was younger. My parents told me what they believe to be true, and pretty much let me accept what I wanted.

Don't speak in absolutes.

I was simply sugesting that kids around the age of 13 start thinking for themselves a lot more. Had you been 25, you would have been perfectly rational to think for yourself, but if you were younger, your point of view would be more influenced by your parents.


@ ledhed/whoever mentioned the thing on Satanism on The History Channel:

What time was that on? I tuned in right after I read your post and didn't see anything related to it.


On another sidenote, does anyone have any tangible/reliable/not-gathered-from internet information on the Illuminati? It was said to be the precursor to Satanism. Luciferians, they came to be called, "the enlightened ones", taking it from the old latin term. Lucifer meaning, "bringer of light".

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

I'm going to be as nice as I can here. But you're about as wrong as you can possibly be. Jesus DID NOT have long straight hair. Show me a jewish person right now with long straight hair. He was very much a hebrew. He was God in the flesh, not everyone accepted him, but he was God.

He actually hung out with tax collectors. The MOST hated people of the time. How's that for being with the uptight part of the world?

He was both Hebraic and a resident of the Roman Province of Palestine . I said both NOT but i meant that for which his freedom fight was not for that Nation or Race and NOT for a kingdom in which confusion (read ... sin) reign, but for Paradise

I'm not a religious person myself, but for me, the study and understanding of who Jesus really was and what he really did, are very interesting indeed. As a scientist and a bit of an old skeptic (truth be told), the whole tangible nature of this real issue is much more appealing and interesting...

2000 years ago there were no cameras for example , so all images would arise from portraiture and other such represenations...

 

[PS]

Then wouldn't you think some of those originals would be around? Given the impact this guy supposedly had, I would think someone would hold great value in those paintings/portraits/drawings, be it the Vatican or some other historical relic.

 

[Touring Mars]

2000 years ago there were no cameras for example , so all images would arise from portraiture and other such represenations...

not so.. forensic archeologists can reconstruct faces with a great deal of accuracy primarily by studying the shape of skulls from the area/era (atleast more accurately than in many portraits of the time, if any still exist of course) This coupled with other information from genetics and local history etc., I'd say that the modern reconstruction was likely to be a much more accurate portrayal than has previously been seen

 

[Swift]

He was both Hebraic and a resident of the Roman Province of Palestine . I said both NOT but i meant that for which his freedom fight was not for that Nation or Race and NOT for a kingdom in which confusion (read ... sin) reign, but for Paradise
.

Yes, and? He came here for everyone, not just the Jews. He said that many times.

 

[PS]

not so.. forensic archeologists can reconstruct faces with a great deal of accuracy primarily by studying the shape of skulls from the area/era (atleast more accurately than in many portraits of the time, if any still exist of course) This coupled with other information from genetics and local history etc., I'd say that the modern reconstruction was likely to be a much more accurate portrayal than has previously been seen

I think what he meant was, like stories spread by word of mouth, the message/picture slightly changes after every retelling.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

not so.. forensic archeologists can reconstruct faces with a great deal of accuracy primarily by studying the shape of skulls from the area/era (atleast more accurately than in many portraits of the time, if any still exist of course) This coupled with other information from genetics and local history etc., I'd say that the modern reconstruction was likely to be a much more accurate portrayal than has previously been seen

Do you have a link to this 'modern reconstruction' ?