Satanism, and you.

[Swift]

I'm really confused. So, there are no guidlines. Children are sacred, adults aren't. And there's nothing met by joining this Satanisim. Honestly, it just sounds like what people do BEFORE they get to any kind of religion that has a diety involved.

 

[Swift]

III When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there.


V Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

VI Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the person and he cries out to be relieved.

VIII Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

IX Do not harm little children.

X Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food.

Just so you know, all those principles are biblical as well. So, I wouldn't call it new.

 

[PS]

Just so you know, all those principles are biblical as well. So, I wouldn't call it new.

I never did call it new.

And if those are all biblical whats so wrong with it?

 

[Swift]

I never did call it new.

And if those are all biblical whats so wrong with it?

You said it was started in ithe 60's that would imply you were saying this "religion" is fairly new.

What's wrong with it? In this case, the bible was written long before this was started. So the creators just took what they thought was cool from the bible. That's like taking bits and pieces of the evolutionary theory that fit what you like. It ignores all the foundations for said tennants.

 

[PS]

You said it was started in ithe 60's that would imply you were saying this "religion" is fairly new.

What's wrong with it? In this case, the bible was written long before this was started. So the creators just took what they thought was cool from the bible. That's like taking bits and pieces of the evolutionary theory that fit what you like. It ignores all the foundations for said tennants.

You think every religion has a different point? Every one is supposed to be the opposite? Please. Get those self-righteous and black/white assumptions out of your head.


As with the Church being established in the late '60s, I was inferring to the fact that it is not responsible for "evil deeds" in past history, something you claimed it did and failed to show any proof for.

 

[Swift]

You think every religion has a different point? Every one is supposed to be the opposite? Please. Get those self-righteous and black/white assumptions out of your head.


As with the Church being established in the late '60s, I was inferring to the fact that it is not responsible for "evil deeds" in past history, something you claimed it did and failed to show any proof for.

who said anything about being opposite? I'm pointing out that all the points of this religion can be easily found in the bible. So,I can say that satanism isn't based on biblical concepts.

As far as the evil deeds thing. I was just making a point that anyone and everyone can do evil things regardless of what religion they claim to be.

 

[Jordan]

PS, I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on the relief efforts of Hurricane Katrina. Are the volunteers and rescue workers doing the wrong thing by helping out? In a sense, they are actually harming themselves to help others in need. It appears to me as if Satanism, which only focuses on the self, would condemn such generous activities?

 

[Grand Prix]

Swift, Satanism uses what appears to be "Noble Morality". That is, traditional values cherished by the wealthy and successful of all eras. Christainanity is more in favour of "Slave Morality". Slave morality encourages the needy and the unsuccessful to help each other out, to treat everybody like an equal friend, and to overcome adversity. Modesty, giving, and sharing are some of the traits of slave morality. While the Bible does condemn noble traits such as power, greed, and selfishness, many people admire noble traits such as honor, pride, resourcefulness, and chivraly, which can be associated with the ancient Greeks as well as the lords of the Middle Ages.

In a sense, noble morality deals with the belief that if you work hard, you deserve accomplishment and respect. Slave morality encourages the unsuccessful to never give up. In a lot of ways, noble morality is more honorable, and is as equally valid and important as slave morality. Slave morality is still important, however, because it offers the unfortunate an oppertunity to re-evaluate their situation, and make it seem as if they have it better off than the successful. A good example of this is the common quote, "Rich people are never happy."

Society needs both systems of morals to survive. Without honor, the rich/strong would never treat rivals with respect and fair play. Without equality, the poor/weak would never have the oppertunity to be rivals to the rich/strong, plus many wouldn't learn to love their neighbour. Many people are strong believers in both systems.



(Of course what I just said could be completely out of whack if Satanism doesn't use "noble morality". )

 

[PS]

PS, I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on the relief efforts of Hurricane Katrina. Are the volunteers and rescue workers doing the wrong thing by helping out? In a sense, they are actually harming themselves to help others in need. It appears to me as if Satanism, which only focuses on the self, would condemn such generous activities?

Nice to hear from ya Jordan.👍

I'm perfectly fine with it-- Satanism condones one's desires, not worshipping one's self. If your desire is to help others, great, you should be proud about that. If your desire is to ignore someone's problems, that's fine too, not your battle to fight.


Personally, in circumstances like those, I'm all for aid and relief effort. I think it would just be inhumane to let thousands get pwned by a storm and leave them in the streets to fend for themselves. That's why we have Government, rights, and police/fire/medical departments: to take care of those people in the event of a disaster, no matter how big or small.

To say that anarchy is the best way to go would simply be ignorant of everyone else, and would be the true form of selfishness, IMO.

But, if that's what one desires, so be it.

 

[PS]

As far as the evil deeds thing. I was just making a point that anyone and everyone can do evil things regardless of what religion they claim to be.

I believe you said this:

You noticed how I have not insulted or degraded your belief system or tried to site where people in history used it to do evil works?

This could have meant you have not tried to site where people in History used Satanism to do evil works, to (pretend to) have an unbiased opinion, or you purposely kept it vague so that it could have meant that you have not tried to site where people in history used religion in general to do evil works.

It took as the former, and told you to come up with proof. You told me to come up with proof that it hasn't (which is impossible btw), which is basically saying "Make me."

And that's how it went down.

 

[Swift]

I believe you said this:



This could have meant you have not tried to site where people in History used Satanism to do evil works, to (pretend to) have an unbiased opinion, or you purposely kept it vague so that it could have meant that you have not tried to site where people in history used religion in general to do evil works.

It took as the former, and told you to come up with proof. You told me to come up with proof that it hasn't (which is impossible btw), which is basically saying "Make me."

And that's how it went down.

Ok, well after Christianity had existed for 45 years, you'd be extremely hard pressed to link it to anything considered "evil" It took time for people to corrupt the teachings of Jesus to server their own ways.

My point is given time, any religion can be linked to something bad in the world.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

To my Knowledge Satanisn had a huge following amongst the wealthy , land-owning classes of the 18th & 19th centuries in Europe with clubs for gentlemen of distinction forming fronts for heretical & esoteric practices . These people were from a strong Christian background but sought the embodiment of power and their intoxication with that power made them secretive to the point of negativity with the espousals of their upbringing.
If you could conjure magical elements in you religeon and weild such power , would you feel it was from your divine creator or would you feel you had struck a bargain with something from a darker source ?

 

[Zardoz]

...If your desire is to help others, great, you should be proud about that. If your desire is to ignore someone's problems, that's fine too, not your battle to fight...

Well, that would mean that if you saw somebody have a heart attack and you just walked away and went on about your business, without even pulling out your cell phone and calling for help, you would be perfectly justified in doing so because it was not your problem.

Civilization (such as it is...) exists because we don't behave that way. Imagine what life would be like if we all followed that code of behavior.

Please explain how a world of Satanists, all of us ignoring each other's problems, could be functional.

 

[PS]

To my Knowledge Satanisn had a huge following amongst the wealthy , land-owning classes of the 18th & 19th centuries in Europe with clubs for gentlemen of distinction forming fronts for heretical & esoteric practices . These people were from a strong Christian background but sought the embodiment of power and their intoxication with that power made them secretive to the point of negativity with the espousals of their upbringing.
If you could conjure magical elements in you religeon and weild such power , would you feel it was from your divine creator or would you feel you had struck a bargain with something from a darker source ?

Is that question directed at me?

 

[PS]

Well, that would mean that if you saw somebody have a heart attack and you just walked away and went on about your business, without even pulling out your cell phone and calling for help, you would be perfectly justified in doing so because it was not your problem.

Civilization (such as it is...) exists because we don't behave that way. Imagine what life would be like if we all followed that code of behavior.

Please explain how a world of Satanists, all of us ignoring each other's problems, could be functional.

I'm not going to-- it's free choice. People should have that, that's what democracy is about, too. I'm not telling anyone to go out and ignore other people's misfortune, I'm just saying they have the right to, in both a state and a religious sense.

 

[Grand Prix]

Has anyone bothered to read my post? Just wondering, you might have missed because it was near the end of the last page. I'm interested in people's views of that post.

 

[the_undrtaker89]

My opinion on the subject, goth girls are ugly. And black nail polish is kinda creepy.

 

[PS]

My opinion on the subject, goth girls are ugly. And black nail polish is kinda creepy.

WTF does that have to do with Satanism?

 

[Zardoz]

...I'm not telling anyone to go out and ignore other people's misfortune, I'm just saying they have the right to, in both a state and a religious sense.

You mean they would have the right to, in a Satanist society, right? Is there a "conventional" religion that espouses ignoring the plight of others? And don't we occasionally hear of people being prosecuted for not coming to the aid of somebody in dire peril? I think there have been several of those cases.

In our non-Satanist society, I don't think many would defend your right to walk right by that heart attack victim, in either a legal, ethical, or religious sense.

 

[PS]

You mean they would have the right to, in a Satanist society, right? Is there a "conventional" religion that espouses ignoring the plight of others? And don't we occasionally hear of people being prosecuted for not coming to the aid of somebody in dire peril? I think there have been several of those cases.

In our non-Satanist society, I don't think many would defend your right to walk right by that heart attack victim, in either a legal, ethical, or religious sense.

I'm not saying you should, and I'm not saing I would, I'm saying someone could, if they choose to be that...cruel or ignorant.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

Is that question directed at me?

No, it's just what i perceive as Satanism . Think of Aleister Crowley , a Satanist but also a true Explorer of the Flipside . The question was rhetorical for debate.
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[milefile]

For one very simple reason, if you stand for nothing, you fall for anything.

So simple. So elegant. So True.

You noticed how I have not insulted or degraded your belief system...

It's not a system. Judeo-Christianity is system. It deserves the elevation of that name. Satanism, which is whatever any particular individual wants to think of it, is nothing; it is maturbatory and can't be shared, which probably explains why there about eight thousand satanists to about two billion Christians.

That any satanist would care one iota whether anyone accepts their "religion" is humorously ironic.

 

[BlackZ28]

Just attention.

 

[Swift]

PS, I guess you skimmed through this thread and missed this point. Did you have a response to this or would it be something you agree with?

Ok, well after Christianity had existed for 45 years, you'd be extremely hard pressed to link it to anything considered "evil" It took time for people to corrupt the teachings of Jesus to server their own ways.

My point is given time, any religion can be linked to something bad in the world.

 

[smellysocks12]

Satanism has existed longer than 45 years, the type of satanism PS was referring to is Laveyan satanism which has nothing to do with satanism as in worshipping satan. It's more an anti biblical type of religion, which he called satanism to cause controversy among christians. There are also types of satanism who worship the devil.





By the way most "satanists" are unwashed angry teenagers, posers who listen to death metal, who like to brag to their unwashed friends about who is more satanic. But that isn't the target audience of LaVey.

 

[Pupik]

I don't get it, the sites I've read on Satanism are rather contratictory, especially since some beelive Satan created everything, and other say Satan didn't. Other sites say Satan is to be worshipped in some manner, others say there's no worship of Satan. This just proves my theory that it's just Christianity without all the nice cathedrals and lighting; chock full of lies and contradictions.

For one very simple reason, if you stand for nothing, you fall for anything.

Try telling that to a follower of Zen Buddhism. I think if you stand for nothing, you'll realize the meaning in everything.

 

[Grand Prix]

For one very simple reason, if you stand for nothing, you fall for anything.

Funny, I've always considered open-mindeness to be a disirable trait.

 

[ledhed]

Just attention.

Now thats what I call an Avatar ! 👍

 

[milefile]

Funny, I've always considered open-mindeness to be a disirable trait.

Awesome. It is rare that anyone is carleess enough to betray the fact that they consider "falling for anything" to be synonymous with "openminded", or that satanding for something is somehow closed-minded.

Of course anyone who knows that satanism is stupid also already knows you think that. But it's just nice to see you say it.

 

[Chris Hendriks]

Awesome. It is rare that anyone is carleess enough to betray the fact that they consider "falling for anything" to be synonymous with "openminded"

I actually think he was referring to the Standing for Nothing part to be synonymous with being open minded, meaning you dont have core religious beliefs but are willing to take the time to learn about any religion, in case it may be the one for you.I may be completely wrong but thats how I percieved it.