**Schumy to lose Austrian GP**??

[alex_gt]

BIG NEWS, Report says Micheal may have his Austrian Win passed to Rubens

YES hopefully this is true :thumbsup:...... Thats Justice for ya , but there'll still be a scar on Rubens Racers Heart :hrtbreak:

This is what we all wanted to see ey guys? What do the :ferrari: fans think?

SCHU TO LOSE AUSTRIAN WIN?
2002-06-12 16:24:00

Michael Schumacher is set to lose his controversial Austrian Grand Prix victory, according to reports.

A story in the reputable German magazine Auto und Motorsport says that the FIA will hand the victory at the A1-Ring back to Rubens Barrichello.

The Brazilian moved over for Schumacher to gift the German victory in Austria in a manner which outraged race fans and the rest of the F1 community.

The FIA were reportedly extremely unhappy at the blatant way Ferrari engineered the result of the race and also at the breach of podium procedure which saw Schumacher and Barrichello share the top step of the rostrum.

According to the report the FIA intends to base the results on the penultimate lap of the race when Barrichello was leading, thus giving the 30-year-old his second career grand prix win. The FIA world council have called Ferrari to a meeting on June 26th in Paris to discuss the matter.

Schumacher's spokeswoman, Sabine Kehm, said the driver and his team had nothing to say about the magazine's report.

"We can't comment on every rumour that comes along," Kehm said.

Schumacher will lose four points if the Austrian victory is handed to Barrichello. This will leave the world championship leader on 66 points, 39 ahead of his nearest challengers the BMW-Williams drivers Ralf Schumacher and Juan Pablo Montoya.

Ah I'll drink to the FIA if this happens, For Sure

What do you think?

There's Poll if you'd like to show your response to this news :computer:

 

[vat_man]

Oh boo hoo - he knew what he was doing when he signed that contract.

 

[GilesGuthrie]

I expect the FIA to take points away from Michael AND Rubens for the whole sorry affair.

I expect Ferrari to get a severe reprimand.

I expect the #2 Ferrari to mysteriously develop 'brake problems' when it is in front of the #1 Ferrari in future. All this furore will not stop the manipulation of race positions by team orders, it will merely drive it underground, and take any form of honesty away...

 

[vat_man]

Exactly- what a load of nonsense this whole affair is. I was ticked at the time I saw it, but jeez, how long have Ferrari had a clearly defined number 2 driver?

 

[f1king]

Yeah give Schumacher the SHOE!!!! Bi_ch Assssss!! uch: :rip: :haha: :tapedshut

 

[f1king]

Hey Vat you voted for Schumacher???

 

[vat_man]

No I voted for flying monkeys - I think it will make not one jot of difference to the championship. My dislike of Michael is fairly well documented in these forums.

I think it's a bit unfair that the drivers be punished for following team orders - where was the uproar when Mansell did the same thing for Patrese back in the early 1990's.

If they're going to punish anyone it should be Ferrari.

There's some speculation (see grandprix.com) that the FIA are very angry about this story and that it may lead to an increased punishment for Ferrari.

 

[alex_gt]

Some good points there guys..... but I still can't see why a world :earth: class drivers suck up to their bosses time and time again....

Micheal should have done the right thing and told Ross Brawn to shove team orders were the sun don't shine...:sun:...:shakehead and if I were Barricello and just recieved a 2yr contract I would have just floored it over the line and have a massive fight with Brawn later on :argue:

I may have started to understand if perhaps the Championship was closer and Micheal needed the points....but there such a gap between MS and Montoya that Rubens could have won and Micheal still be way ahead....

F1 is a sport and on that day, right up until the last stright that was a great race, :ferrari: ruined it....

 

[vat_man]

Well, at the end of the day he who pays the piper calls the tune - and my understanding was that as at the end of the race at Austria Reubens contract wasn't signed - and from Schumacher's point of view you're not simply going to sit idly by as your team mate slows just before the finish line.

I totally agree it ruined the race - but that's motorsport. Team orders are a fact of life. There are so many instances of them being brought into play all the way through the grand prix championship, well before F1 was even a championship.

Any action the FIA take simply means we'll see number two drivers in strong positions suffer mysterious 'throttle' and 'hydraulic' problems - it makes it even more underhanded.

And Todt's point about mid-season turnarounds is valid - they have happened before - and Ferrari have been on the receiving end of it (the late Michele Alboreto's championship, and Ferrari fading away mid-season in 1985 being one example that comes to mind).

The FIA can move to ban team orders, as I mentioned above it's just going to lead to subterfuge.

I have a sneaking suspicion the FIA might use the podium issue to enforce some sort of punishment on the drivers - wouldn't it be unlike them to punish the wrong people.....

 

[f1king]

I hope not, and again vat you are right on this one I see what you ment because it wont make a differnce in the championship. Still it would be nice to see RB get some justice.

 

[Pupik]

Taking away the points and reversing the results is not likely to happen. If anyone should be punished, it should be Ferrari, and only the 16 points gained from the Austrian GP should be removed form the Constructor's Cup.

Then again, I rather like the fact that there was some news about F1 in America. It didn't concern the race at Indy, it didn't have anything to do with a fatality; however, it unearthed a bizzare little thing called "team-orders" that is usually unheard of in American sports. Or is it?

But what do we have in American sports?
In baseball, you can intentionally walk a good batter.
In basketball, you can call a time-out or foul another player to try to make the score artifically close.
In football, there is the intentional grounding call, also, kneeling after each snap to run out the clock.

Welcome to the silly world of F1 racing.

 

[aljones]

I'm sure it shoudl have been Ruben's race, but at the end of the day, the hearing that Ferrari have to attend with the FIA is mostly about what happened on the podium, not what happened on the race track. Team orders have always had a part in motorsport, and other sports such as cycling, and always will. What happened in Austria was just a little to 'obvious', and I reckon the FIA will just tell Ferrari to be a bit more careful about where they apply team orders so it isn't so blatant in the future. As for what happened on the podium, that was just making a mockery of the sport. At the end of the day, Michael won the race, so should have been on the top step and should have taken the winners trophy. That is what the hearing will be discussing, and personally I think they will just take the points for that race away from Michael, Rubens, and the Team. At the end of the day, in my opinion, the drivers made the decision to swap places on the podium, and not the team, so it is them who should be penalised the hardest, not the team as a whole.