Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

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I've already decided that I'm not buying one, and am working up plans for a similar car to build as a project with my brother.

S13 Coupe + N/A SR20VE = Win.
 
Autocar.co.uk GT86 enhanced (no official name yet given) first drive
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Much more imminent, though, are the various options offered by Toyota Racing Developments (TRD), due in the UK early next year, and a possible harder-edged production GT86 with chassis and aerodynamics changes.

That's the dark blue car, unofficially called evolution, you see here, which we've sampled at the scenic ParcMotor track outside Barcelona.

Result? It sounds deeper, revs a little better, stops with firm-pedalled authority and goes round corners faster, with sharper steering and a flat, planted feel. Which may be what some owners will like, but the standard GT86's delightfully accessible progression from grip to drift has suffered.

Again we have 18in wheels – these are BBS items – but while the rear Michelins are again 225/40, the fronts are 215/40. This is not specifically to alter the front/rear grip balance (although it does), but rather to conform to Toyota's factory standards for tyre-to-body clearance. Production cars will have bespoke Bridgestones or Dunlops.

Brakes and springs are standard, dampers are uprated Sachs items, and in place of the standard Torsen differential with a 4.1 final drive comes a mechanical clutch-type unit with a 4.3 ratio. A large rear wing dominates other aero enhancements, the whole package effective from just 30mph.
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Reminds me of the similarly massive one they put on the last-gen Celicas for a while. That car, like the 86, looks better without a wing.

As for KERS, in the 86 I'd actually be up for that, provided it doesn't add too much to the weight. Electric assistance is all about low-down torque in stuff like that, and guess what the 86 needs?...

And they're looking at it the right way - supercapacitors. Potential to be much lighter (even though the Top Gear article seems to suggest it's a grey area). An electric motor between gearbox and flywheel doesn't weigh much - think the one Honda uses in the CR-Z is about 26kg - but batteries weigh too much. Capacitors would be able to store enough energy for a blast of acceleration when it was needed, and can rapidly store energy during braking.

You'd be talking a pretty low weight penalty for some extra performance and a bit of an MPG boost. And really, a bit closer to the character of the car than forced induction.
 
I think the wing fits pretty well actually. If I wasn't after a particular car already, this would make a really nice buy.
 
R1600Turbo
They ruined our shop car. :indiff:

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Meh, its not that bad. There's alot worse I've seen. While I do find the Windscreen decals excessive (Yeah, thats practical for visibility :rolleyes:), the Gold wheels childish and the Carbon fiber hood Stereotypical shiowoff crap (luk at me, i'm carbon fibrrrr!!), its not a complete disaster.
 
I should have stated before, the stickers on the windshield were there for SEMA. The car just got back, and they haven't taken them off yet. The old wheels are going back on it, but not sure if they will take the wing off. In any case, the car is for sale. I guess they are done with product development and it's time to move on to something else. 'Tis the business I guess.
 
Wing is a bit big but not that bad, the wheels is what killed the car! Guess you guys will move on to the Sti when it comes.
 
Im really excited about the sti version but knowing the 2014 sti will use the new engine I think the brz sti will have to be insanely impressive to make me move over and not just get a 2014 model of my current.

If the brz sti can keep a reasonable price and actually deliver enough perfomance to warrant the price hike I will still consider it, just not as strongly as a next gen wrx sti (assuming they dont mess up that car too much).
 
And if that's the case, it's drifting even further into a highly competitive market. That's Mustang GT territory, along with the 370Z and so on. Granted, it's a different kind of sports car, but if it isn't performing as well as what $30K should... Can they really expect to sell that many?

Well, if Toyota is truly looking to build as many sports cars as it might now be the case (a Supra-successor above, and an MR2-successor below the GT-86/FR-S/BRZ), the overlap is already going to be worse than what they currently have with the Impreza and so on.
 
Kent
not just get a 2014 model of my current.
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1. I wouldn't be too sure there's gonna be a '14 STI. With the new engine they could wait a year or two before they give it more juice.
2. I'm not buying the first MY of a turbo-powertrain with the first-ever Subaru's own DI system. I was somewhat hesitant even about the first year of NA 2.0 engine, and it does have certain issues yet to be resolved.
 
Being that most reports say subbie confirms the '14 my to be the new gen released in '13 without the Impreza name.
As for the engine, I dont think it will be the first yearbeing the the 2013 legacy jdm is already using the fa 2.0 turbo at roughly 296hp, I could be wrong and being at work as I am Id love if one of you all could fact check this post.

Nvm
http://blog.caranddriver.com/turbo-...anese-legacy-will-power-next-wrx/?redirect=no
 
dsgerbc
1. I wouldn't be too sure there's gonna be a '14 STI. With the new engine they could wait a year or two before they give it more juice.
2. I'm not buying the first MY of a turbo-powertrain with the first-ever Subaru's own DI system. I was somewhat hesitant even about the first year of NA 2.0 engine, and it does have certain issues yet to be resolved.
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Pretty sure the DI system was Toyotas doing?
 
No actualy the DI only system is Subby but the hybrid of DI and port is from Toyota. Iirc.
 
Kent
Being that most reports say subbie confirms the '14 my to be the new gen released in '13 without the Impreza name.
As for the engine, I dont think it will be the first yearbeing the the 2013 legacy jdm is already using the fa 2.0 turbo at roughly 296hp, I could be wrong and being at work as I am Id love if one of you all could fact check this post.

Nvm
http://blog.caranddriver.com/turbo-...anese-legacy-will-power-next-wrx/?redirect=no
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It remains to be seen how that engine holds up to U.S. gas. Ethanol in our premium makes my BRZ squeal like a pig. Who know what it would do to Subaru's DI system etc.

I'm sure there will be a replacement to WRX in '14, probably with more power. I'm not too positive on an STI replacement, that's all. And I don't care about WRX replacement, unless they put STI 6spd in it and make it at least a 3-wheel drive. I can live w/o front LSD, but I really like having a real rear LSD.

Heck, if new WRX is ugly, I might even consider picking up an outgoing STI.



R1600Turbo
Pretty sure the DI system was Toyotas doing?
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That's in BRZ/FRS. DIT engine in Forester/Legacy has Subaru's own DI system.
 
dsgerbc
It remains to be seen how that engine holds up to U.S. gas. Ethanol in our premium makes my BRZ squeal like a pig. Who know what it would do to Subaru's DI system etc.

I'm sure there will be a replacement to WRX in '14, probably with more power. I'm not too positive on an STI replacement, that's all. And I don't care about WRX replacement, unless they put STI 6spd in it and make it at least a 3-wheel drive. I can live w/o front LSD, but I really like having a real rear LSD.

Heck, if new WRX is ugly, I might even consider picking up an outgoing STI.




That's in BRZ/FRS. DIT engine in Forester/Legacy has Subaru's own DI system.
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Indeed if the new one is ugly Ill stay in the sti (its finally broken in!). However, if it looks good and has the same performance with better economy I will buy the new model after a year or so.
Cant wait to see what they do.
 
-> Newest kit from the JDM guys Power Builder Bee Racing:

Bee Racing Rocket Bunny aero kit:


^ Enjoy.
 
BRZ STI could have 230 HP but with not have a turbo.
The Subaru BRZ is set to get a power and performance upgrade. A BRZ STi concept debuted at last year’s Los Angeles Motor Show, where global marketing manager Atoshi Atake told us: “We can develop the [engine’s] intake system; there is certainly room for improvement there.”

There’s also expected to be a freer-flowing exhaust to improve the sound of the engine, the variable valve control system is set to be tweaked and Subaru is likely to raise the rev limit past 7,500rpm. The modifications should raise power from 197bhp in the standard car to somewhere between 220bhp and 230bhp.

To complement the tweaks, Subaru will follow Toyota by upgrading the springs and dampers, and fitting 18-inch alloys with wider, grippier tyres and four-piston STi brakes. The changes are being evaluated at Germany’s Nurburgring track.

Unlike the rally-bred Subaru WRX STi, the BRZ STi won’t be turbocharged. Space constraints, particularly in the engine bay – which is too small to fit an intercooler – rule this out.

Four-wheel drive has been ditched for packaging reasons, while a supercharger is proving a problem as it would hamper the car’s efficiency severely.

Visual upgrades to the STi will include a modified grille, a huge rear wing, special side skirts and a front lip spoiler. And inside are extra dials and more supportive bucket seats.

One source close to Subaru in Japan told us to expect the BRZ STi to hit dealers there in the spring, and arrive in the US and Europe soon after that. It’s set to cost around £2,000 more than the £24,995 entry-level BRZ.
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