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[Razor440]

Ah, I see. Guess I confused myself there. I was thinking about the Cuda for that one

I guess the real issue with this is that when converting the image to 16 colors, they might not convert "cleanly" I guess. Sticking to grayscale makes it easier since almost all cars in GT2 have white logos, but that's not as much fun

You should swap out the Dodge Charger and Challenger logos for ones like these.

The existing logos aren't as cool

 

[tankuroded]

Eh, there's a way to fix that problem though; just use GS codes to give the Taurus the engine and drivetrain from another car.

He was talking about rally cars, though, originally. 💡

Also, I am planning to make a thread about cuwtom car logos.

 

[Gerarghini]

You should swap out the Dodge Charger and Challenger logos for ones like these.

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The existing logos aren't as cool

Ask and you shall receive

Spoiler: New Logos :D !

Also I managed to get the name change working for the Road Runner, but I wish it was possible to change them during gameplay and not just after race replays

If I recall correctly, it's produced as two words and not one (Roadrunner vs. Road Runner)? Good thing the word Muscle Car was enough to fit in Roadrunner neatly.

Would anyone like a tutorial for how to do the whole process involved with exporting, editing, and importing back into the game?

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

He was talking about rally cars, though, originally. 💡

Yeah, I know that. You were a bit late with correcting me on that.

 

[Harsk100]

How can I get the new logos working to the game?

 

[Razor440]

It's actually Road Runner, but this is GT2 so that's an okay mistake. GT2 wasn't perfect!

 

[Harsk100]

I think that you should swap Fiat Cinquecento Sporting and Seicento Sporting's logos for these following logos:

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Seeing these car specific logos made me realize how much more sterile later GTs are. These early games have so much soul in them 👍

 

[JakeMR2]

Ask and you shall receive

Spoiler: New Logos :D !

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Also I managed to get the name change working for the Road Runner, but I wish it was possible to change them during gameplay and not just after race replays

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If I recall correctly, it's produced as two words and not one (Roadrunner vs. Road Runner)? Good thing the word Muscle Car was enough to fit in Roadrunner neatly.

Would anyone like a tutorial for how to do the whole process involved with exporting, editing, and importing back into the game?

I would love a clear visual tutorial. It would help a lot.

 

[Gerarghini]

I'll try to post a video of the process later, but for now, I'll go ahead and explain in as much detail how exactly to get the logos in GT2 with, at what I think is, the best quality.

The programs I use are TimViewer, GIMP 2.8, and paint.net.

In the grand scheme, you only really need one photo editor, but I use paint.net because it can compress the variable bmp of the edited logo into 8bpp with very good quality. It's a lot easier to go 8bpp -> 4bpp than it is a ???bpp -> 4bpp.

You're also going to need an already exploded VOL directory. I believe the logos are interchangeable between all versions.

In this instance I will be replacing the logo for the R390 GT1 Road Car '98

1. Fire up TimViewer and open the "carlogo" file within the VOL. In it, you'll find a variety of .tim files that house every car's own logo. Find the specific one you will be editing.

TimViewer is easily findable on the web. It'll make your life much easier.

Since .tim is a very exclusive format, you'll need TimViewer in order to view and convert them to .bmp extension properly.

The option to convert .tim files to .bmp and back will be the key to success.

Once you've opened TimViewer and find the car you're looking to replace the logo of. I suggest using the site on @tankuroded's signature as it compiles the car codes in an easy to search for website. Take note too that these codes come with an extension.

Files in the carlogo folder are named by car ID name (a-a7r for RX-7 A-spec LM, for example), followed by l (Simulation Mode logo) or m (Arcade Mode logo). l and m are defaults, n and o are 1st alternates (US) and p and q are 2nd alternates (PAL).

For the most part, an "l" extension means the car logo for simulation mode and is the default in most cases. The only cases in which it's not is with cars that are region specific.

In the R390 GT1's case, it's Simulation mode car ID is "n24nn" so it's carlogo file name is "n24nnl--".

Make sure to keep a backup of it somewhere safe in case you run into an error during importing the GT2.VOL back into the corresponding .bin

The "--" after the codes aren't specific; just make sure you have them.

2. In TimViewer, open the .tim file and export it to .bmp.

It helps to be organized! I already copied the .tim into my personal folder for editing. While not extremely important, it's a good idea to take note of the file size for future reference.

TimViewer also gives information about the size and bpp. Be extremely careful that, at the end of the day, the specifications for the edited car logo match exactly with the default one.

This is how it should look like after opening the .tim. Take note of all the numbers there; your imported one should be displaying exactly the same numbers.

You should be greeted with two more files after converting to .bmp (under the Convert tab).

3. Open the .bmp in a photo editor of your choosing.

Zoomed in 400%. Take note that the imported .bmp will either be under "Grayscale" or "Indexed."

To preface, here are some guidelines:

• Pictures must be 4bpp (16 colors).

• You must use the same resolution as the old logo. Every logo has different resolution. For instance h2carl (unused Castrol Mugen Accord logo for simulation disc) has 196 x 36 size, while hairnn (Acura Integra Type-R '98, US ver. logo for simulation disc) has 256 x 64.

I liked to open up a new window with the same resolution. There's a good chance that the .bmp you open will either be in "Grayscale" or "Indexed" modes. While you can turn these off, I like to start fresh.

The second window is the same resolution, but does not carry any color modes that the old one may've had. This is where you'll design your new logo.

It's very important that you do not edit your new logos within the small resolution space provided; work in a large canvas (such as 2048x2048), get the logos looking exactly as you want them, and then transfer them over to your new work space. Do not worry about bpp for now. Instead just get the logo looking exactly as you want it.

Using a large canvas allows you to bring in multiple logos at once and easily align them, or to cut/erase portions of a certain logo without the harshness brought about with a limited resolution. In this example, I cut the R390 GT1 logo and removed all the black, leaving the R390 GT1 vector.

I then copied the R390 vector and pasted it over the "fresh" canvas, lined it up, and considered it finished. Don't expect super sharp accuracy; it is a PS1 after all.

Once you're done, go ahead and export it as a .bmp. In GIMP, it's crucial that you make sure that you tick the box for "Compatibility Options - Do not write color space information." While not important during the first phase, once you plug it back in, it's necessary in order to get the 16 color, 4bpp resolution.

4. Open up your newly edited .bmp in paint.net and save under 8bpp resolution.

This one is pretty self-explanatory. Simply open up your edited .bmp in paint.net and simply save it again, but make sure that it's saving under 8bpp resolution. I've found that it does a great job in keeping the colors mostly intact, so that when you have to open it up again in GIMP, the difference is minimal.

It's okay to overwrite, as the old one won't be needed again. Make sure 8bpp is selected and go ahead and set the dithering level to 8.

5. Open up the .bmp again in GIMP, set at 16 color index, and save

This part might get confusing as an FYI. For starters, open up the .bmp you saved via paint.net. It should open up with an "Indexed Color" tag alongside the file name. From there, go to Image -> Mode -> and set it to RGB, as you'll need to re-index it in order to access the menu.

Within the Indexed menu, all that you really need to do is look under "Generate Optimum Palette," and set the "Maximum Number of Colors" to 16. If all goes well, your image should look only slightly worse than it did before.

After that, save it as a .bmp once again, make sure the "Compatibility Options - Do not write color space information." box is ticked, and from here, it's just one more stretch.

When you open up the .bmp after saving it in paint.net, do not adjust it, as it should've been final during the first GIMP run. What you'll want to do next is change it to Indexed mode.

When presented with the Mode menu, yours should look something like this.

6. Convert the .bmp to .tim using TimViewer

Leave these alone, as even I don't know exactly what they're used for.

Behold! The new logo is in!

Lastly, open up the .bmp using TimViewer. You'll be presented with a menu asking for coordinates; leave these alone. If all went well, your new logo should appear wearing the exact same statistics as the default. From here, simply convert it to .tim. Again, the same menu asking for coordinates will appear. Just press OK and you'll be gifted a new .tim file with whatever name the .bmp had.

From here, it's simply a matter of renaming the new .tim with the name of the logo you want to replace (in this case, this new "R390 GT1.tim" will be named "n24nnl--.tim") and then replacing it in the VOL that will be recompiled.

The .tim on the left is our new logo. Note how it is exactly the same size as the default one on the left. This means that, if all was done correctly, you won't have to do any hex editing to deleted minute extra overflow.

Now just go ahead and replace it, recompile, import the VOL, and check to see if your logo came out A1.

Before:

After:

Q and A:

Q: When I tried to open the edited .bmp with TimViewer, it gave me an "Invalid Compression Type." What happened?

A: It means that the file is not within 8bpp. You can open files with 8bpp, but they will not be accepted by the game.

Q: When I set the color limit to 16, my logo came out all corrupted looking and looks really jagged. What did I do wrong?

A: Be advised that not every logo will look 100%, since compression issues mandate very strict palettes and sizes. For one, do not try to limit the colors without going through paint.net first. While it might be alright for logos which are only 1 or 2 colors, since GIMP is whack, it'll index the blacks, greys, and whites, before the RGB spectrum. Converting to 8bpp via paint.net first at least reduces the damage.

Q: When I tried to import the GT2.VOL, it had a different size.

A: Be sure to match the logos resolution and 4bpp limit. Also be sure that you are replacing the correct car logo as well. I made that mistake once and was on the verge of creating a new exploded VOL, but my mistake was that I replaced the wrong car. Remember that your new logo will be the exact same size as the default if everything was done correctly.

 

[Razor440]

@Gerarghini , you should probably put the words "Road Version" under the logos of the R390 and the GT40.

The Chevrolet lineup has a few cars that use a Times New Roman esque font. You should change those.

The Dodge lineup has logos based on the classic "The New Dodge" advertisements.

The Avenger, Neon R/T, Neon ACR, and Stratus use "The New Dodge's" font. However, we should still change it. Logos, commence!

 

[BloodyThunderX]

Um, wish granted! I don't know how it works with GT1, but it is possible to port beta cars from the early gt1 builds into the final game.

I guess being gone long enough was a bad idea. Link doesn't work so I can't watch. D:

 

[Razor440]

I guess being gone long enough was a bad idea. Link doesn't work so I can't watch. D:

Were those EncounterGTR's videos?

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Were those EncounterGTR's videos?

No, the videos I showed him were videos of cars from the beta GT1 discs being ported into the final game. They were posted by someone else.

 

[tankuroded]

No, the videos I showed him were videos of cars from the beta GT1 discs being ported into the final game. They were posted by someone else.

That was @Overload_35, but he apparently pulled many of his GT videos because he feels his work isn't good enough.

@Razor440 The proper Stingray logo is used in the Japanese version, although that uses the C4 font for Corvette text. Speaking of it, the proper Demio logo is used in the Japanese version too, but all other regions opt for generic Arial Bold text. 💡

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

That was @Overload_35, but he apparently pulled many of his GT videos because he feels his work isn't good enough.

What?!
I'm sorry, but that's plain ridiculous. His work was more than good enough; I've wanted to see beta cars from GT1 ported into the final car for a while and he went on and did it!

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Maybe we should create a new thread with the tutorial above and all the cars that have their logo replaced? That way this thread can be reserved for new discoveries and stuff.

 

[JakeMR2]

I'll try to post a video of the process later, but for now, I'll go ahead and explain in as much detail how exactly to get the logos in GT2 with, at what I think is, the best quality.

The programs I use are TimViewer, GIMP 2.8, and paint.net.

In the grand scheme, you only really need one photo editor, but I use paint.net because it can compress the variable bmp of the edited logo into 8bpp with very good quality. It's a lot easier to go 8bpp -> 4bpp than it is a ???bpp -> 4bpp.

You're also going to need an already exploded VOL directory. I believe the logos are interchangeable between all versions.

In this instance I will be replacing the logo for the R390 GT1 Road Car '98

1. Fire up TimViewer and open the "carlogo" file within the VOL. In it, you'll find a variety of .tim files that house every car's own logo. Find the specific one you will be editing.

View attachment 541846
TimViewer is easily findable on the web. It'll make your life much easier.

Since .tim is a very exclusive format, you'll need TimViewer in order to view and convert them to .bmp extension properly.
View attachment 541848
The option to convert .tim files to .bmp and back will be the key to success.

Once you've opened TimViewer and find the car you're looking to replace the logo of. I suggest using the site on @tankuroded's signature as it compiles the car codes in an easy to search for website. Take note too that these codes come with an extension.



For the most part, an "l" extension means the car logo for simulation mode and is the default in most cases. The only cases in which it's not is with cars that are region specific.

In the R390 GT1's case, it's Simulation mode car ID is "n24nn" so it's carlogo file name is "n24nnl--".

View attachment 541849
Make sure to keep a backup of it somewhere safe in case you run into an error during importing the GT2.VOL back into the corresponding .bin

The "--" after the codes aren't specific; just make sure you have them.

2. In TimViewer, open the .tim file and export it to .bmp.

View attachment 541850
View attachment 541851
It helps to be organized! I already copied the .tim into my personal folder for editing. While not extremely important, it's a good idea to take note of the file size for future reference.

TimViewer also gives information about the size and bpp. Be extremely careful that, at the end of the day, the specifications for the edited car logo match exactly with the default one.

View attachment 541852
This is how it should look like after opening the .tim. Take note of all the numbers there; your imported one should be displaying exactly the same numbers.

View attachment 541853
You should be greeted with two more files after converting to .bmp (under the Convert tab).

3. Open the .bmp in a photo editor of your choosing.

View attachment 541854
View attachment 541855
Zoomed in 400%. Take note that the imported .bmp will either be under "Grayscale" or "Indexed."

To preface, here are some guidelines:



I liked to open up a new window with the same resolution. There's a good chance that the .bmp you open will either be in "Grayscale" or "Indexed" modes. While you can turn these off, I like to start fresh.

View attachment 541856
View attachment 541857
The second window is the same resolution, but does not carry any color modes that the old one may've had. This is where you'll design your new logo.

It's very important that you do not edit your new logos within the small resolution space provided; work in a large canvas (such as 2048x2048), get the logos looking exactly as you want them, and then transfer them over to your new work space. Do not worry about bpp for now. Instead just get the logo looking exactly as you want it.

View attachment 541860
Using a large canvas allows you to bring in multiple logos at once and easily align them, or to cut/erase portions of a certain logo without the harshness brought about with a limited resolution. In this example, I cut the R390 GT1 logo and removed all the black, leaving the R390 GT1 vector.
View attachment 541864
I then copied the R390 vector and pasted it over the "fresh" canvas, lined it up, and considered it finished. Don't expect super sharp accuracy; it is a PS1 after all.

Once you're done, go ahead and export it as a .bmp. In GIMP, it's crucial that you make sure that you tick the box for "Compatibility Options - Do not write color space information." While not important during the first phase, once you plug it back in, it's necessary in order to get the 16 color, 4bpp resolution.

View attachment 541865

4. Open up your newly edited .bmp in paint.net and save under 8bpp resolution.

View attachment 541872

This one is pretty self-explanatory. Simply open up your edited .bmp in paint.net and simply save it again, but make sure that it's saving under 8bpp resolution. I've found that it does a great job in keeping the colors mostly intact, so that when you have to open it up again in GIMP, the difference is minimal.

It's okay to overwrite, as the old one won't be needed again. Make sure 8bpp is selected and go ahead and set the dithering level to 8.

5. Open up the .bmp again in GIMP, set at 16 color index, and save

This part might get confusing as an FYI. For starters, open up the .bmp you saved via paint.net. It should open up with an "Indexed Color" tag alongside the file name. From there, go to Image -> Mode -> and set it to RGB, as you'll need to re-index it in order to access the menu.

Within the Indexed menu, all that you really need to do is look under "Generate Optimum Palette," and set the "Maximum Number of Colors" to 16. If all goes well, your image should look only slightly worse than it did before.

After that, save it as a .bmp once again, make sure the "Compatibility Options - Do not write color space information." box is ticked, and from here, it's just one more stretch.

View attachment 541873
When you open up the .bmp after saving it in paint.net, do not adjust it, as it should've been final during the first GIMP run. What you'll want to do next is change it to Indexed mode.
View attachment 541874
When presented with the Mode menu, yours should look something like this.

6. Convert the .bmp to .tim using TimViewer

View attachment 541875
Leave these alone, as even I don't know exactly what they're used for.
View attachment 541876
Behold! The new logo is in!

Lastly, open up the .bmp using TimViewer. You'll be presented with a menu asking for coordinates; leave these alone. If all went well, your new logo should appear wearing the exact same statistics as the default. From here, simply convert it to .tim. Again, the same menu asking for coordinates will appear. Just press OK and you'll be gifted a new .tim file with whatever name the .bmp had.

From here, it's simply a matter of renaming the new .tim with the name of the logo you want to replace (in this case, this new "R390 GT1.tim" will be named "n24nnl--.tim") and then replacing it in the VOL that will be recompiled.

View attachment 541879
The .tim on the left is our new logo. Note how it is exactly the same size as the default one on the left. This means that, if all was done correctly, you won't have to do any hex editing to deleted minute extra overflow.

Now just go ahead and replace it, recompile, import the VOL, and check to see if your logo came out A1.

Before:

View attachment 541880

After:

View attachment 541881

Q and A:

Q: When I tried to open the edited .bmp with TimViewer, it gave me an "Invalid Compression Type." What happened?

A: It means that the file is not within 8bpp. You can open files with 8bpp, but they will not be accepted by the game.

Q: When I set the color limit to 16, my logo came out all corrupted looking and looks really jagged. What did I do wrong?

A: Be advised that not every logo will look 100%, since compression issues mandate very strict palettes and sizes. For one, do not try to limit the colors without going through paint.net first. While it might be alright for logos which are only 1 or 2 colors, since GIMP is whack, it'll index the blacks, greys, and whites, before the RGB spectrum. Converting to 8bpp via paint.net first at least reduces the damage.

Q: When I tried to import the GT2.VOL, it had a different size.

A: Be sure to match the logos resolution and 4bpp limit. Also be sure that you are replacing the correct car logo as well. I made that mistake once and was on the verge of creating a new exploded VOL, but my mistake was that I replaced the wrong car. Remember that your new logo will be the exact same size as the default if everything was done correctly.

Thank you! I will try this tonight with porting beta logos in the full version of GT2. But I cannot get the hang of car porting without a video or a tutorial like this.

 

[Gerarghini]

So, if I can ask, where are the texture files located, if they even are easily available; are they within' the actualy carobj folder?

 

[tankuroded]

So, if I can ask, where are the texture files located, if they even are easily available; are they within' the actualy carobj folder?

They are in the cdp (daytime) and cnp (nighttime) files in carobj folders, but by default they're compressed.

Also, I made a thread dedicated to all logo modding stuff.

 

[Gerarghini]

So editing the textures is confusing as hell, but I don't think it's 100% impossible. Apologies if what I say has been said already; this is just my assumption.

Thing is, opening them via PSicture shows that every section of the car has its own unique color palette. For instance, since pressing F8 switches between palettes, you can see how the rim has it's own unique color palette, the hood has it's own unique palette, etc.

If that's the case, wouldn't it be possible if you took every part individually, edited it, complied it back and assigned their own palettes to finish? Since they'd still be limited to 4bpp, there'd be no editing of the hex values right?

 

[Castrol96]

I'll try to post a video of the process later, but for now, I'll go ahead and explain in as much detail how exactly to get the logos in GT2 with, at what I think is, the best quality.

The programs I use are TimViewer, GIMP 2.8, and paint.net.

In the grand scheme, you only really need one photo editor, but I use paint.net because it can compress the variable bmp of the edited logo into 8bpp with very good quality. It's a lot easier to go 8bpp -> 4bpp than it is a ???bpp -> 4bpp.

You're also going to need an already exploded VOL directory. I believe the logos are interchangeable between all versions.

In this instance I will be replacing the logo for the R390 GT1 Road Car '98

1. Fire up TimViewer and open the "carlogo" file within the VOL. In it, you'll find a variety of .tim files that house every car's own logo. Find the specific one you will be editing.

View attachment 541846
TimViewer is easily findable on the web. It'll make your life much easier.

Since .tim is a very exclusive format, you'll need TimViewer in order to view and convert them to .bmp extension properly.
View attachment 541848
The option to convert .tim files to .bmp and back will be the key to success.

Once you've opened TimViewer and find the car you're looking to replace the logo of. I suggest using the site on @tankuroded's signature as it compiles the car codes in an easy to search for website. Take note too that these codes come with an extension.



For the most part, an "l" extension means the car logo for simulation mode and is the default in most cases. The only cases in which it's not is with cars that are region specific.

In the R390 GT1's case, it's Simulation mode car ID is "n24nn" so it's carlogo file name is "n24nnl--".

View attachment 541849
Make sure to keep a backup of it somewhere safe in case you run into an error during importing the GT2.VOL back into the corresponding .bin

The "--" after the codes aren't specific; just make sure you have them.

2. In TimViewer, open the .tim file and export it to .bmp.

View attachment 541850
View attachment 541851
It helps to be organized! I already copied the .tim into my personal folder for editing. While not extremely important, it's a good idea to take note of the file size for future reference.

TimViewer also gives information about the size and bpp. Be extremely careful that, at the end of the day, the specifications for the edited car logo match exactly with the default one.

View attachment 541852
This is how it should look like after opening the .tim. Take note of all the numbers there; your imported one should be displaying exactly the same numbers.

View attachment 541853
You should be greeted with two more files after converting to .bmp (under the Convert tab).

3. Open the .bmp in a photo editor of your choosing.

View attachment 541854
View attachment 541855
Zoomed in 400%. Take note that the imported .bmp will either be under "Grayscale" or "Indexed."

To preface, here are some guidelines:



I liked to open up a new window with the same resolution. There's a good chance that the .bmp you open will either be in "Grayscale" or "Indexed" modes. While you can turn these off, I like to start fresh.

View attachment 541856
View attachment 541857
The second window is the same resolution, but does not carry any color modes that the old one may've had. This is where you'll design your new logo.

It's very important that you do not edit your new logos within the small resolution space provided; work in a large canvas (such as 2048x2048), get the logos looking exactly as you want them, and then transfer them over to your new work space. Do not worry about bpp for now. Instead just get the logo looking exactly as you want it.

View attachment 541860
Using a large canvas allows you to bring in multiple logos at once and easily align them, or to cut/erase portions of a certain logo without the harshness brought about with a limited resolution. In this example, I cut the R390 GT1 logo and removed all the black, leaving the R390 GT1 vector.
View attachment 541864
I then copied the R390 vector and pasted it over the "fresh" canvas, lined it up, and considered it finished. Don't expect super sharp accuracy; it is a PS1 after all.

Once you're done, go ahead and export it as a .bmp. In GIMP, it's crucial that you make sure that you tick the box for "Compatibility Options - Do not write color space information." While not important during the first phase, once you plug it back in, it's necessary in order to get the 16 color, 4bpp resolution.

View attachment 541865

4. Open up your newly edited .bmp in paint.net and save under 8bpp resolution.

View attachment 541872

This one is pretty self-explanatory. Simply open up your edited .bmp in paint.net and simply save it again, but make sure that it's saving under 8bpp resolution. I've found that it does a great job in keeping the colors mostly intact, so that when you have to open it up again in GIMP, the difference is minimal.

It's okay to overwrite, as the old one won't be needed again. Make sure 8bpp is selected and go ahead and set the dithering level to 8.

5. Open up the .bmp again in GIMP, set at 16 color index, and save

This part might get confusing as an FYI. For starters, open up the .bmp you saved via paint.net. It should open up with an "Indexed Color" tag alongside the file name. From there, go to Image -> Mode -> and set it to RGB, as you'll need to re-index it in order to access the menu.

Within the Indexed menu, all that you really need to do is look under "Generate Optimum Palette," and set the "Maximum Number of Colors" to 16. If all goes well, your image should look only slightly worse than it did before.

After that, save it as a .bmp once again, make sure the "Compatibility Options - Do not write color space information." box is ticked, and from here, it's just one more stretch.

View attachment 541873
When you open up the .bmp after saving it in paint.net, do not adjust it, as it should've been final during the first GIMP run. What you'll want to do next is change it to Indexed mode.
View attachment 541874
When presented with the Mode menu, yours should look something like this.

6. Convert the .bmp to .tim using TimViewer

View attachment 541875
Leave these alone, as even I don't know exactly what they're used for.
View attachment 541876
Behold! The new logo is in!

Lastly, open up the .bmp using TimViewer. You'll be presented with a menu asking for coordinates; leave these alone. If all went well, your new logo should appear wearing the exact same statistics as the default. From here, simply convert it to .tim. Again, the same menu asking for coordinates will appear. Just press OK and you'll be gifted a new .tim file with whatever name the .bmp had.

From here, it's simply a matter of renaming the new .tim with the name of the logo you want to replace (in this case, this new "R390 GT1.tim" will be named "n24nnl--.tim") and then replacing it in the VOL that will be recompiled.

View attachment 541879
The .tim on the left is our new logo. Note how it is exactly the same size as the default one on the left. This means that, if all was done correctly, you won't have to do any hex editing to deleted minute extra overflow.

Now just go ahead and replace it, recompile, import the VOL, and check to see if your logo came out A1.

Before:

View attachment 541880

After:

View attachment 541881

Q and A:

Q: When I tried to open the edited .bmp with TimViewer, it gave me an "Invalid Compression Type." What happened?

A: It means that the file is not within 8bpp. You can open files with 8bpp, but they will not be accepted by the game.

Q: When I set the color limit to 16, my logo came out all corrupted looking and looks really jagged. What did I do wrong?

A: Be advised that not every logo will look 100%, since compression issues mandate very strict palettes and sizes. For one, do not try to limit the colors without going through paint.net first. While it might be alright for logos which are only 1 or 2 colors, since GIMP is whack, it'll index the blacks, greys, and whites, before the RGB spectrum. Converting to 8bpp via paint.net first at least reduces the damage.

Q: When I tried to import the GT2.VOL, it had a different size.

A: Be sure to match the logos resolution and 4bpp limit. Also be sure that you are replacing the correct car logo as well. I made that mistake once and was on the verge of creating a new exploded VOL, but my mistake was that I replaced the wrong car. Remember that your new logo will be the exact same size as the default if everything was done correctly.

Any chance this could work with up-scaling in game assets?

 

[Harsk100]

The following logos should be replaced:

Spoiler: Alfa Romeo 145 2.0 Cloverleaf '99

Spoiler: Alfa Romeo 155 Touring Car '95

Spoiler: Alfa Romeo Spider 2.0 TS '98

Spoiler: Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24v '98

Spoiler: [R] Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24v '98

It should be renamed to: Alfa Romeo GTV Cup Car '98

Spoiler: Alfa Romeo 155 2.0 TS 16v '97

The year should be renamed to 1997, as there was no Alfa Romeo 155 2.0 TS 16v in 1998.

Spoiler: [R] Alfa Romeo 155 2.0 TS 16v '98

It should be renamed to: Alfa Romeo 155 V6 Ti '93

 

[Razor440]

The following logos should be replaced:

Spoiler: Alfa Romeo 145 2.0 Cloverleaf '99

Spoiler: Alfa Romeo 155 Touring Car '95

Spoiler: Alfa Romeo Spider 2.0 TS '98

Spoiler: Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24v '98

Spoiler: [R] Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24v '98

It should be renamed to: Alfa Romeo GTV Cup Car '98

Spoiler: Alfa Romeo 155 2.0 TS 16v '97

The year should be renamed to 1997, as there was no Alfa Romeo 155 2.0 TS 16v in 1998.

Spoiler: [R] Alfa Romeo 155 2.0 TS 16v '98

It should be renamed to: Alfa Romeo 155 V6 Ti '93

Might wanna move your post over here.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/car-logo-modding-thread.345628/

 

[Gerarghini]

So my next aim is where the track logos are located, the ones that change every time you enter a race.

So many possibilities but I searched and found 0 .tim files relating to them. I can only guess they're in the actual track object files themselves which makes them a pain in the behind to edit them

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Hey, where do I go to download a timviewer? What's a recommended website, so I don't accidentally download malware or something.

 

[Harsk100]

Might wanna move your post over here.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/car-logo-modding-thread.345628/

Done. 👍

 

[tankuroded]

Hey, where do I go to download a timviewer? What's a recommended website, so I don't accidentally download malware or something.

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[RandomCarGuy17]

Well, it's nice to view these logos hidden within the demos. I was going to mention the C55 AMG logo, but someone else already mentioned it earlier in this thread. I guess I wasn't paying attention. Just how many more cars were planned for GT2? This is ridiculous. Well, I blame Sony.

 

[JakeMR2]

Well, it's nice to view these logos hidden within the demos. I was going to mention the C55 AMG logo, but someone else already mentioned it earlier in this thread. I guess I wasn't paying attention. Just how many more cars were planned for GT2? This is ridiculous. Well, I blame Sony.

I was going to put one of the beta logos in the full version of GT2, found some in Euro Demo 53, there are no logos in the PSU demo though the cars are still in the .VOL in of itself. I am going to check the third demo today though.