Several explosions on London Underground

[unsanctified]

You're welcome. Read up on that Kyoto Protocol yet?

I just got off of work and I plan to do so, I'll tell you what I've learned when I've read up on it.

 

[ledhed]

"I'm Not Afraid Of Life"

I am not afraid of life
Of the poor man's struggle
Of the killer's knife
I am not afraid of life
Of an insane rage
Of the minimum wage
I am not afraid of life

I am not afraid of life
I am not afraid of life

But I see an old lady with a shopping bag
And I wonder is life a drag

I am not afraid of pain
But it hurts so bad
I feel so mad
No one see the truth
There's nothing to gain
A life goes down the drain
Don't want to die at an early age

I am not afraid of life
I am not afraid of life

But I see a street crazy shivering with cold
Is it a crime to be old

There's the threat of the nuclear bomb
We know it's wrong
We know it's wrong
Is there a chance for peace
Will the fighting ever cease
Mankind's almost out of luck
A maniac could blow us up

I am not afraid of life
I am not afraid of life

But I get down on my knees and I pray
Is there hope for the world today

 

[Touring Mars]

In the wake of last week's atrocities, Londoners have reacted in an overwhelmingly positive way... showing that we are not going to be changed by the warped mindsets of a handful of fanatics, and showing solidarity with those who do feel more vunerable after the attacks, particularly the Muslim community. There is even a website for people to demonstrate the fact that they will not allow terrorists to dictate how we should live our lives...

http://www.werenotafraid.com/

However, to the shame of some narrow-minded people, several mosques have been attacked in the last few days... a mosque here in East London had all of its windows smashed, and another was the subject of an attempted fire-bombing. And now, the BNP (the British National Party - a fascist political party) have chimed in, using photographs of the bus bomb on their leaflets...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4674675.stm

In a city that has long been a model for respecting the basic freedoms of all of its citizens, this sort of mindless racism has no place... I'm sure most people here will agree...

On another note, and with reference to a previous post of mine, there is sadly no more news of the friend of a friend who is still missing after the bomb attacks on Thursday... my thoughts are with her friends and family, and those who only knew her through the online community that she posted on...

 

[DQuaN]

The BNP sicken me, almost as much as the terrorists do.

 

[Flame-returns]

So lets arrest every Muslim, declared the State of Islam to be pure evil, and deported them..

Do you think that will stop terrorism?
NO!

Declaring all Muslims to be evil scum will only strengthen the terrorists as more join. Moderate people who we have kicked out of the country to "keep Britain British" YES they will be angry, YES they will resort to air attacks, NO they will not "go home" and leave us alone!

We would be giving the terrorists manpower and resources. We would experience "9/11 UK" or worse...

Those Iranian oil barons are very rich, with their resources we could expect a blitz!

 

[Solid Fro]

No one has declared Muslims to be "evil scum". Do not try to combine normal, peace loving Muslims with the Islamic Fascists who are responsible for these attacks.



Gaza mosque welcomes London attacks

Preacher welcomes the “blessed acts” that took place recently in Iraq and Britain; highlights their proximity to selection of Olympic host for 2012 games.

“The sounds of happiness were heard in London, and Osama Bin Laden came and redrew the map. He made sure that the voice of the surrendered will be heard in every place,”


In other news...


BBC takes out the "T" word

The BBC has re-edited some of its coverage of the London Underground and bus bombings to avoid labelling the perpetrators as “terrorists”, it was disclosed yesterday.

Early reporting of the attacks on the BBC’s website spoke of terrorists but the same coverage was changed to describe the attackers simply as “bombers”.

 

[ExigeEvan]

So appareantley the bombers came from Yorkshire....wow.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4676577.stm

 

[Solid Fro]

Yeah, the BBC is already censoring it's articles.

Bombers? What if Americans called the people responsible for 9/11 "bombers"?

Osama bin Laden... a "bomber"?

"Bombers" in Iraq decapitate an Iraqi contractor?

 

[Flame-returns]

No one has declared Muslims to be "evil scum". Do not try to combine normal, peace loving Muslims with the Islamic Fascists who are responsible for these attacks.

I did not say a GTP member has said this, I said that the BNP (British Nazi Party) have said this.

Please read both my post and the two above it for context.

 

[Solid Fro]

Why didn't you say you were replying to the BNP in your post? It's very confusing if you just go off saying something without directing it specificly.

You suck!

No, wait. I was talking to the terrorists.

See what I mean?

 

[Flame-returns]

I'm sorry for the confusion, I like the quick reply box.

 

[ledhed]

News reports are saying that the bombers are British citizens . They are still investigating who helped them and trained them . If what is being reported is true it lends more credence to the attacks being carried out by religiouse fanatics and will not help the cases of Mosque burnings at all . The BBC needs to get off the censorship band wagon..what do they want to accomplish by not calling the bombers terrorist ? What else are they ?

 

[Solid Fro]

What else are they ?

• Insurgents
• Enemy Combatants
• Freedom Fighters
• Opposing Forces
• Homicidally-inclined religious and political activists

The BBC is trying to pander to the terrorists and those who support them.

 

[ledhed]

Actually I think its more of an editorial decision towards a more "balanced" point of veiw thats absurd and a lame attempt at being seen as more PC and less " inflamatory " towards the native population of radicle Islamist that live in great Britain . who I also might add are being deemed the suspects in the bombing attempt . I guess it seems to them that , maybe calling their own citizens " terrorist " instead of "bombers " was not correct .
but if it walks like a duck...quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...it must be a duck right ?

 

[rk]

Ok, now I know how kikie feels, and I am glad that your first argument against me(about not attribiuting the whole url to my quotes ) wasn't your whole argument. Now again I say, rule of law is not bad, and I definitely agree with it, but it is not a factor in this situation, and it is not a required part of democracy. The standard we can judge and act upon is one of safety, to keep future attacks from happening. This takes precedence. And before you tell me that we haven't been sucessful in that regard, we have not finished our job. I don't know about you, but I am willing to sacrifice a few rights to keep from being blown up.

OK, well I'll just go ahead and kill anything that even remotely looks like it might interfere with my perception of safety.

And the context is ? What ?

To show proof for my previous claim of coalition plunder. Apparently, according to viperzero,any ornately wrought sarcofagi that even remotely resembles a man who could be Saddam in Baghdad, the cradle of civilization, is open game to the prybars and pocket knives of riflers.

BTW what happened to the oil and museam pieces that are supposedly plundered ? Do you have another theory ?

No theory, I just surf links:

"One million books, 10 million documents and 14,000 archaeological artifacts have been lost in the US-led invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq - the biggest cultural disaster since the descendants of Genghis Khan destroyed Baghdad in 1258, Venezuelan writer Fernando Baez told Inter Press Service (IPS).

"US and Polish soldiers are still stealing treasures today and selling them across the borders with Jordan and Kuwait, where art merchants pay up to $57,000 for a Sumerian tablet," said Baez, who was interviewed during a brief visit to Caracas. (A Sumerian tablet is pictured at right.)

The expert on the destruction of libraries has helped document the devastation of cultural and religious objects in Iraq, where the ancient Mesopotamian kingdoms of Sumer, Akkad and Babylon emerged, giving it a reputation as the birthplace of civilization.

His inventory of the destruction and his denunciations that the coalition forces are violating the Hague Convention of 1954 on the protection of cultural heritage in times of war have earned him the enmity of Washington. Baez said he was refused a visa to enter the US to take part in conferences."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GB17Ak01.html

Or if you prefer the Christian Science Monitor:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0414/p08s02-wome.html

I like this photo better .

It has a much better artistic flair .

Looks like a couple soldiers out hunting Savanna boar, just before they get their asses handed to them in Mogadishu.

 

[rk]

The BBC is trying to pander to the terrorists and those who support them.

I really would LOVE to read your reasoning behind that claim. Perhaps the terrorists are the BBC's greatest contributors through advertising? Paid with plundered booty? It couldn't possibly be because there is no direct or indirect proof, and the BBC is trying to offer "fair reporting", huh.

*edit
I just want to distinguish: terrorists terrorize for political or sociological goals, anarchists just want to destroy civilization, but it couldn't possibly be anarchists, eh?

 

[Famine]

No.

If any anarchist organised a synchronised bombing campaign, they wouldn't BE anarchists.

 

[Flame-returns]

but if it walks like a duck...quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...it must be a duck right ?

Only if you have definate scientific proof from 4 different websites and the results of a DNA test, this is the opinions forum facts please !!!

Otherwise how do you know its a duck and not a mutated baby swan?

 

[rk]

No.

If any anarchist organised a synchronised bombing campaign, they wouldn't BE anarchists.

Welcome back to the discussion
And may I commend you for your thourough and convincing response to the repartee we were having a few days ago. Did you enjoy learning about conspiracies by Googling the USS Liberty?
For those less studied, the Liberty was a survellience (spy) ship operating in international waters off the Sinai Penninsula during the 6 Day War, a period when Israel was attempting to extend its territory into an area controlled by Egypt. The Israelis repeatedly bombed, machine-gunned and torpedoed the unarmed frigate and all but sank her, despite markings, flag and hand signals claiming her non combative status, there are even reports of recorded conversations of Israeli pilots who describe seeing the Stars and Bars (that's the American flag) fluttering at her stern. The official excuse is that the pilots and gun boat commanders believed her to be a cargo vessel with Egyptian registry. The historical record will show that the Israelis were about to embark on a major offensive into the area known as The Golan Heights. Knowing that it's resources were stretched and troop strength would have to be reduced at other border locations, that the Liberty would surely detect this, that she would transmit to Washington and the Russians would intercept, decode and relay the news to the Egyptians; The Israeli High Command gave the order to silence her in a watery grave. It is truly a miracle that she survived the assault.
The details of the subsequent investigation were obscurred to maintain valuable international relations, remember that this happened during the height of the cold war.

"On the fourth day of the 1967 Arab Israeli War, the intelligence ship 'USS Liberty' was steaming slowly in international waters, 14 miles off the Sinai Peninsula. Israeli armored forces were racing deep into Sinai in hot pursuit of the retreating Egyptian army.

'Liberty,' a World War II freighter, had been converted into an intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment. The ship bristled with antennas and electronic 'ears' including TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon.

'Liberty' had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,' which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle.

At 1424 hrs, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning 'Liberty' with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the 'Liberty' midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died.

Israeli gunboats circled the wounded 'Liberty,' firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on orders from the White House.

An hour after the attack, Israeli warships and planes returned. Commander McGonagle gave the order. 'prepare to repel borders.' But the Israelis, probably fearful of intervention by the US Sixth Fleet, departed. 'Liberty' was left shattered but still defiant, her flag flying.

The Israeli attacks killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War II.

Less than an hour after the attack, Israel told Washington its forces had committed a 'tragic error.' Later, Israel claimed it had mistaken 'Liberty' for an ancient Egyptian horse transport. US Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, and Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral Thomas Moorer, insisted the Israeli attack was deliberate and designed to sink 'Liberty.' So did three CIA reports; one asserted Israel's Defense Minister, Gen. Moshe Dayan, had personally ordered the attack."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html

"Never before in the history of the United States Navy has a Navy Board of Inquiry ignored the testimony of American military eyewitnesses and taken, on faith, the word of their attackers.
-- Captain Richard F. Kiepfer, Medical Corps, US Navy (retired), USS Liberty Survivor"
http://www.ussliberty.org/

Perhaps, in light of the Assosciated Press report that Netenyahu was forewarned of the London bombings, it was the Egyptians who did it.
Anachists don't despouse organization, they attempt to destroy government, my assertion above was rhetorical. Your refutation does in no way implicate "terrorists", nor is this an attempt to exonerate "terrorists".

 

[Famine]

Oh man, that was SOME drivel.

I've yet to see any confirmed reports that Netenyahu was pre-warned. I HAVE seen reports that he was being driven through London and, shortly after the Algate bomb, was diverted by police already on the streets.


And, according to your Dictionary.com, a definition of anarchism (of which an anarchist is a proponent) is "Rejection of ALL forms of coercive control and authority". Still, you know how to take a piss on a gag.

 

[Touring Mars]

There will always be conspiracies and misinformation... all they serve to do is to distract (and detract) from the reality at hand....

What the attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 has to do with four messed up radical islamist kids (well, 3 and 1 older guy) in Leeds is well beyond me....

And I havent' seen any reliable AP source about the Netenyahu tip off either... he was even on Newsnight last week and explained what happened to him and his entourage... conspiracy-based 'news' websites claim anything from 'Blair ordered London bombings' to the fact that these bombings were just another 'step' in paving a road to a war against Iran....

It's all bull.... it doesn't help catch the folk who actaully did organise, fund and support these bombers... and it doesn't do any good or serve any purpose to the poor folk who have lost their loved ones...

 

[Flame-returns]

I happen to like Iran, the people are pleasent and polite, it has nice weather and is suitably developed.

It is one of the more "liberl" Islamic states, but maybe this is off topic.

 

[ledhed]

Welcome back to the discussion
And may I commend you for your thourough and convincing response to the repartee we were having a few days ago. Did you enjoy learning about conspiracies by Googling the USS Liberty?
For those less studied, the Liberty was a survellience (spy) ship operating in international waters off the Sinai Penninsula during the 6 Day War, a period when Israel was attempting to extend its territory into an area controlled by Egypt. The Israelis repeatedly bombed, machine-gunned and torpedoed the unarmed frigate and all but sank her, despite markings, flag and hand signals claiming her non combative status, there are even reports of recorded conversations of Israeli pilots who describe seeing the Stars and Bars (that's the American flag) fluttering at her stern. The official excuse is that the pilots and gun boat commanders believed her to be a cargo vessel with Egyptian registry. The historical record will show that the Israelis were about to embark on a major offensive into the area known as The Golan Heights. Knowing that it's resources were stretched and troop strength would have to be reduced at other border locations, that the Liberty would surely detect this, that she would transmit to Washington and the Russians would intercept, decode and relay the news to the Egyptians; The Israeli High Command gave the order to silence her in a watery grave. It is truly a miracle that she survived the assault.
The details of the subsequent investigation were obscurred to maintain valuable international relations, remember that this happened during the height of the cold war.

"On the fourth day of the 1967 Arab Israeli War, the intelligence ship 'USS Liberty' was steaming slowly in international waters, 14 miles off the Sinai Peninsula. Israeli armored forces were racing deep into Sinai in hot pursuit of the retreating Egyptian army.

'Liberty,' a World War II freighter, had been converted into an intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment. The ship bristled with antennas and electronic 'ears' including TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon.

'Liberty' had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,' which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle.

At 1424 hrs, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning 'Liberty' with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the 'Liberty' midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died.

Israeli gunboats circled the wounded 'Liberty,' firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on orders from the White House.

An hour after the attack, Israeli warships and planes returned. Commander McGonagle gave the order. 'prepare to repel borders.' But the Israelis, probably fearful of intervention by the US Sixth Fleet, departed. 'Liberty' was left shattered but still defiant, her flag flying.

The Israeli attacks killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War II.

Less than an hour after the attack, Israel told Washington its forces had committed a 'tragic error.' Later, Israel claimed it had mistaken 'Liberty' for an ancient Egyptian horse transport. US Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, and Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral Thomas Moorer, insisted the Israeli attack was deliberate and designed to sink 'Liberty.' So did three CIA reports; one asserted Israel's Defense Minister, Gen. Moshe Dayan, had personally ordered the attack."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html

"Never before in the history of the United States Navy has a Navy Board of Inquiry ignored the testimony of American military eyewitnesses and taken, on faith, the word of their attackers.
-- Captain Richard F. Kiepfer, Medical Corps, US Navy (retired), USS Liberty Survivor"
http://www.ussliberty.org/

Perhaps, in light of the Assosciated Press report that Netenyahu was forewarned of the London bombings, it was the Egyptians who did it.
Anachists don't despouse organization, they attempt to destroy government, my assertion above was rhetorical. Your refutation does in no way implicate "terrorists", nor is this an attempt to exonerate "terrorists".

I learned about the USS Liberty situation in high school current events as part of a discussion of Isreals wars with the Arabs . I have since watched shows about it on cable TV stations like the history channel and read books on the subject . So what is the conspiracy ?

What if anything does it have to do with bombers on the subway ? In fact what does it have to do with squirrels on mars ?

 

[rk]

Oh man, that was SOME drivel.

I've yet to see any confirmed reports that Netenyahu was pre-warned. I HAVE seen reports that he was being driven through London and, shortly after the Algate bomb, was diverted by police already on the streets.

Yes well it was mostly cut and paste, does "drivel" mean did or didn't get it?
And by "confirmed", do you mean: Tony Blair steps up to the spotlight and says "Yes, we had advanced warning, but we only warned high ranking dignataries", type confirmed?
Or is the Assosciated Press too much of a sensationalist rag?

"By AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writer
Thu Jul 7, 7:14 AM ET
JERUSALEM - British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1

Yeah he got diverted, all right, from the pisser to the balcony for a view.

And, according to your Dictionary.com, a definition of anarchism (of which an anarchist is a proponent) is "Rejection of ALL forms of coercive control and authority". Still, you know how to take a piss on a gag.

So, that means an anarchist, by definition, would not be someone who had been subjected to coercive mental conditioning of a fundamental nature, huh? No, a "terrorist" has an agenda, even if he had been born and raised in the country he tragedized.

... conspiracy-based 'news' websites claim anything from 'Blair ordered London bombings' to the fact that these bombings were just another 'step' in paving a road to a war against Iran....

So now the AP is a conspiracy based news website... or perhaps Yahoo, the true conspirator, made it all up. Can you imagine for just one second if they had warned the people who were being grieved for instead?

I learned about the USS Liberty situation in high school current events as part of a discussion of Isreals wars with the Arabs . I have since watched shows about it on cable TV stations like the history channel and read books on the subject . So what is the conspiracy ?

What if anything does it have to do with bombers on the subway ? In fact what does it have to do with squirrels on mars ?

The conspiracy, short and sweet, is that the Israelis knowingly attempted to kill the entire crew of the Liberty, and the subsequent investigations ignored sworn eyewitness testemony and accepted heresay evidence instead, upon which the decision of accedental attack was based. The proof of it's effectiveness, is revealed in your description of "situation."
In the case of the bombers on the subway, according to the Assosciate Press, The police did have advance warning, but only protected a select few, one of them being the Israeli Finance Minister, Benjamin Netenyahu.
I'm not sure I understand the squirrel reference, care to elaborate?
...the squirrels were in on it?


Kids, I recognize this a rant thread, that nobody is interested in talking about a global consciousness, I apologize for pissin on your parade. I just think talk like this is dangerously contagious, there are extremists on both sides of the coin, remember the US president has an IQ of like 84, think how much stupider you can be and still drive a car, cripes, some dude just took out between 12 and 25 children, to get all of one Hummvee. It's just one very small example of the stupidity this world has come to.

 

[inkyturbo]

If every country and every group was working towards the same constructive goal, we could become united as a planet. But until that happens, we will never be united as a planet.

 

[Solid Fro]

Or is the Assosciated Press too much of a sensationalist rag?

Yes.

The AP story that you cited was retracted by the AP 35 minutes after reporting the false story from an "anonymous source". The Israeli embassy was NOT informed of the terrorist attacks ahead of time.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_2

The AP has been known to be Anti-Semitic and has ran stories to prove it. If you're going to run your mouth, rk, at least get your facts straight.

LGF called it first.

 

[Touring Mars]

So now the AP is a conspiracy based news website... .

That's not what I said at all... I said...

I havent' seen any reliable AP source about the Netenyahu tip off either...

... and then i mentioned those other websites, which to my knowledge have nothing to do with the AP....

I couldn't find one reliable news story, from either the AP or anyone else, that reported that Netenyahu was tipped off... my point was that the only websites that reported this were also websites that carried stories like the 'Blair ordered London bombings' and the like.... still, I'd be interested to see a reliable news source report of the Netenyahu tip off, if indeed there ever was one...

For the record, I wish they had given anyone, especially the police, some warning, but that is not in their nature... these guys are barbarians, and are not fit ot live in a civilised society... they gave no-one any warning...

In fact what does it have to do with squirrels on mars ?

What squirrels?

 

[rk]

Yes.

The AP story that you cited was retracted by the AP 35 minutes after reporting the false story from an "anonymous source". The Israeli embassy was NOT informed of the terrorist attacks ahead of time.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_2

The AP has been known to be Anti-Semitic and has ran stories to prove it. If you're going to run your mouth, rk, at least get your facts straight.

LGF called it first.

"JERUSALEM - Israel was not warned about possible terror attacks in London before a series of blasts ripped through the city, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said Thursday."

You call printing the Israeli side of the story a "retraction"? I call it fair reporting, but then again, I am not a reactionary hawk. Somebody goes out on a limb and makes an exposing statement, that the AP deemed worth publishing, but you will accept the damage control from Shalom and blame the media source.
And since you mentioned it, this is a keyboard, not a "mouth", get your facts straight yourself.
Besides, why would the AP want to be "anti-semitic"?
First the BBC is "pandering" to terrorists, now the AP is anti-semitic. Those are some extreme and unsupported allegations. Who in your world is centrist, Rush Limbaugh?
No doubt you consider the Liberty survivors "anti-semitic" as well, you ought to do yourself a favor, open your eyes and read the accounts about the Israeli military strafing the life rafts, or is there too little light down there in that hole in the sand?

... these guys are barbarians, and are not fit ot live in a civilised society... they gave no-one any warning...

Maybe the society in which they were born and raised should just deport all those barbarians. Perhaps that is too harsh, bonny old England could loose all it's housemaids and gardeners.

 

[Touring Mars]

Maybe the society in which they were born and raised should just deport all those barbarians. Perhaps that is too harsh, bonny old England could loose all it's housemaids and gardeners.

The actual bombers themselves were British, born and raised, as you point out... they were of Asian descent, lived in Leeds, and probably didn't have much of an exciting future to look forward to... but somewhere along the line, they fell in to the grip of extremists, who have turned them from seemingly regular guys, into people capable of the most atrocious, barbaric acts... perhaps we shouldn't be too quick to judge them as individuals - you only have to see the reaction of their friends and family to see how unexpected this was - but no such sympathy should be extended to the wider 'network' responsible for these terrible crimes - the radical extremists who preach hate and murder... it looks like these people were probably not based in the UK... the Muslim community leaders in Beeston, Leeds have pointed out unequivocally that they know of no extremist groups within their community - it is known that some of these guys went to 'study religion' in Pakistan... or, as is becoming pretty clear, perhaps not religion at all - they were being turned into radical Islamists by people who clearly wish to exploit young, impressionable Muslims for their own ends...

Britain, and in particular London, has always been a (relatively) welcoming place for people of all religions... of course there remains some racial tension, but by and large, the Muslim community (here in London anyway) integrates well with the larger community. So deporting Muslims is, as you suggest, an idiotic idea... the problem lies in stopping the hate-mongers, the bomb-makers, and the support/training network (who are never quite so willing to 'be martyrs' to the cause) whereever they may be, from exploiting impressionable, and probably disaffected young men (and women)... they are as responsible, if not even more so, for these crimes.

 

[Famine]

"JERUSALEM - Israel was not warned about possible terror attacks in London before a series of blasts ripped through the city, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said Thursday."

You call printing the Israeli side of the story a "retraction"? I call it fair reporting, but then again, I am not a reactionary hawk. Somebody goes out on a limb and makes an exposing statement, that the AP deemed worth publishing, but you will accept the damage control from Shalom and blame the media source.

Remind me again of the evidence supporting the claim that Netenyahu was pre-warned?

Maybe the society in which they were born and raised should just deport all those barbarians. Perhaps that is too harsh, bonny old England could loose all it's housemaids and gardeners.

Huh?