Several explosions on London Underground

[Solid Fro]

You call printing the Israeli side of the story a "retraction"? I call it fair reporting, but then again, I am not a reactionary hawk.

You rather believe in "A Foreign Ministry official" rather than Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom? Shalom had nothing to do with anything and there is no evidence to say other wise.

Amazing.

It shows where your logic is coming from. I suppose you believe in the "Senior Pentagon official" as well?

Besides, why would the AP want to be "anti-semitic"?

Correction: Bombings-Blair Story

LONDON - In a July 9 story about Prime Minister Tony Blair’s comments on overcoming global terrorism, The Associated Press erroneously reported that he spoke of easing the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Blair did not specifically mention the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in his interview with the British Broadcasting Corp.

You can read the original false story here.

The AP is making up stories to some how connect Israel with the terrorist attacks in London?

:gasp:

 

[Flame-returns]

Reading through the few last threads with bewilderment I would like to ask two questions,
a) What does an Isreali strike, authorised or not have to do with thursday 7th?
b) wher is the colour correction manager in the GeForce drivers?

 

[Solid Fro]

Reading through the few last threads with bewilderment I would like to ask two questions,
a) What does an Isreali strike, authorised or not have to do with thursday 7th?

Absolutely nothing. But those who do think so most likely got it from the false AP story. They are unwilling to say they are wrong because it supports their larger belief of Anti-Semitism.

b) wher is the colour correction manager in the GeForce drivers?

Right click on the Desktop > Properties > Settings > Advanced > GeForce xxxx > Color Management

 

[Flame-returns]

Thanks for the help, on my old ATI card I had a menu option

 

[ledhed]

It seems the Egyptians have caught the guy who helped establish the terrorist bombers in their bomb making house . he is suspected of being one of the " masterminds " behind the bombings . they also have info on another of the group that has travelled to the US and are investigating the contacts in the US that had been " visited " ..seems like this particular " cell " or organization is not long for this world .


Has anyone taken notice of the switch in strategy by the terrorist ? That of using home grown operatives rather than trying to infiltrate from the outside ? what will that do to civil liberty in the open democracys under attack ? Why would citizens of a country think that joining these organizations and becoming suicide bombers is a good thing ? These are middle class seemingly well adjusted well liked members of the society they live(d) in .
The fellow they caught in Egypt will soon be singing ( more likely screaming ) the thoughts directly from his brain to his questioners so expect to see more info soon on how widespread ( or not ) this organization is and how it was assembled . The Egyptians do not play nice ...in fact I am kind of glad he was caught there . Maybe we can get some video of his " questioning " to upset the liberals with .

 

[Touring Mars]

It seems the Egyptians have caught the guy who helped establish the terrorist bombers in their bomb making house . he is suspected of being one of the " masterminds " behind the bombings . they also have info on another of the group that has travelled to the US and are investigating the contacts in the US that had been " visited " ..seems like this particular " cell " or organization is not long for this world .


Has anyone taken notice of the switch in strategy by the terrorist ? That of using home grown operatives rather than trying to infiltrate from the outside ? what will that do to civil liberty in the open democracys under attack ? Why would citizens of a country think that joining these organizations and becoming suicide bombers is a good thing ? These are middle class seemingly well adjusted well liked members of the society they live(d) in .
The fellow they caught in Egypt will soon be singing ( more likely screaming ) the thoughts directly from his brain to his questioners so expect to see more info soon on how widespread ( or not ) this organization is and how it was assembled . The Egyptians do not play nice ...in fact I am kind of glad he was caught there . Maybe we can get some video of his " questioning " to upset the liberals with .

He will be extradited, won't he? Doesn't really matter, it looks like he's going to be in a whole heap of trouble either way.... incidentally, the head of Chemistry at Leeds, Prof. Kocienski, was head of Chemistry at Glasgow when I studied there

 

[rk]

You rather believe in "A Foreign Ministry official" rather than Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom? Shalom had nothing to do with anything and there is no evidence to say other wise.

Amazing.

It shows where your logic is coming from. I suppose you believe in the "Senior Pentagon official" as well?



Correction: Bombings-Blair Story

LONDON - In a July 9 story about Prime Minister Tony Blair’s comments on overcoming global terrorism, The Associated Press erroneously reported that he spoke of easing the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Blair did not specifically mention the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in his interview with the British Broadcasting Corp.

You can read the original false story here.

The AP is making up stories to some how connect Israel with the terrorist attacks in London?

:gasp:

Excellent point, touche sir. So now I hear GW's favorite bun buddy and White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Karl Rove aka Turd Blossom, is about to get royally fried for revealing the identity of an agent vested with protecting US national security interests, all because Dubya lied in the famous 2003 State of the Union speech about Saddam's non-existant Nigerian uranium deal and Joe Wilson blew the whistle.
Perhaps The Washington Post is another left-wing extremist publication:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/10/AR2005071001000.html

My point? I just wish all politicians could be as honest as the Israeli Minister of Disinformation, err Foreign Affairs.

Let me guess, the inferrence of "anti-semitisim" stems from the quoting of facts, my clients and former girlfriend might disagree with you.

*My connection is down until Tuesday, ahh the trendy and modern NorthWest, I couldn't expect you to not hit a man when he is down, but I most definately will be back on the 20th, enjoy the podium in the interim.

 

[rk]

It seems the Egyptians have caught the guy who helped establish the terrorist bombers in their bomb making house . he is suspected of being one of the " masterminds " behind the bombings . they also have info on another of the group that has travelled to the US and are investigating the contacts in the US that had been " visited " ..seems like this particular " cell " or organization is not long for this world .


Has anyone taken notice of the switch in strategy by the terrorist ? That of using home grown operatives rather than trying to infiltrate from the outside ? what will that do to civil liberty in the open democracys under attack ? Why would citizens of a country think that joining these organizations and becoming suicide bombers is a good thing ? These are middle class seemingly well adjusted well liked members of the society they live(d) in .
The fellow they caught in Egypt will soon be singing ( more likely screaming ) the thoughts directly from his brain to his questioners so expect to see more info soon on how widespread ( or not ) this organization is and how it was assembled . The Egyptians do not play nice ...in fact I am kind of glad he was caught there . Maybe we can get some video of his " questioning " to upset the liberals with .

Civil liberties are passe dude, that was the old school. Now your mind belongs to the state. Anyone here read 1984?

See you on Tuesday.

 

[Flame-returns]

Yep, I have read all the Orwell books.

 

[ledhed]

Civil liberties are passe dude, that was the old school. Now your mind belongs to the state. Anyone here read 1984?

See you on Tuesday.

You are an idiot .

sorry but I must say again ... "You are an Idiot "
but I am willing to die to protect your right to be an IDIOT .
Can you say the same ?

 

[Solid Fro]

for revealing the identity of an agent vested with protecting US national security interests,

Incorrect.

Robert Novak leaked the name of Valerie Plame in a column he wrote in 2003, not Karl Rove.

all because Dubya lied in the famous 2003 State of the Union speech about Saddam's non-existant Nigerian uranium deal and Joe Wilson blew the whistle.

Incorrect.

President Bush said in the January 2003 State of the Union address: "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa." Joe Wilson was sent by the CIA, not Dick Chaney, to find out if Saddam actually received uranium to be enriched at his weapon installations. Joe Wilson's wife just happens to work at the CIA.

Perhaps The Washington Post is another left-wing extremist publication:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/10/AR2005071001000.html

They might as well be. Many of their editorial opinions bleed over to the news sections. Which is wrong and does not service the public.

However, to the Post's advantage, they correctly stated that Rove did not leak anyone's name, which contradicts your statement. You might want to go back and edit your post.

 

[rk]

Your an idiot .

sorry but I must say again ... "Your an Idiot "
but I am willing to die to protect your right to be an IDIOT .

Ahem? My "an idiot" is what or where? Perhaps you were trying to type the contraction of "you" and "are". In which case, you would be much more likely perceived to be intelligent if you had typed "you're".
The only thing I would die to protect is my family, with the possible inclusion of my (if any) "comrades in arms", a group I am not sure you would qualify to be a member of, I hope that is not too great a disappointment.

Can you say the same ?

Ok, you're an idiot.

Robert Novak leaked the name of Valerie Plame in a column he wrote in 2003, not Karl Rove.

Wow, I hadn't been aware Robert Novak had legal access to national security information, here I thought he was a plain old columnist.

President Bush said in the January 2003 State of the Union address: "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa."

An allegation that was never proven, or even substantiated. Since it was surmise and not a statement of fact, it was what we in the lay call "a lie", I don't know what you political experts call it.

Joe Wilson was sent by the CIA, not Dick Chaney, to find out if Saddam actually received uranium to be enriched at his weapon installations. Joe Wilson's wife just happens to work at the CIA.

When Turd Blossom told Mr. Novak that Joe's wife worked for the CIA, he revealed her identity, or do you believe that matters of public record are too arcane for those who Ms Plame was working against in the name of America's security?

They might as well be. Many of their editorial opinions bleed over to the news sections. Which is wrong and does not service the public.

Perhaps they should be digging holes in the sand so more Americans can plop their heads into them.

However, to the Post's advantage, they correctly stated that Rove did not leak anyone's name, which contradicts your statement. You might want to go back and edit your post.

I stated that her identity was revealed, any school child could use the information to get her name, professor. You should check your facts, or is that little detail eclipsed by the need to have convincing, if false, allegations.
It appears you occupy the camp that believes someone who commits high treason should go un-punished, since you do not dispute the basic facts of the article. "Nyah, Nyah he said who she was but he didn't say her name..."
Bottom line is that he compromised her position, and he did it as a vendetta because her husband embarrased his bun buddy in public. That has far more ominous implications than editorial reporting, not to mention it's level of service to the public. Pull your head out of the sand and open your eyes.

I am chagrined that I had to buy a lousy cup of coffee at this internet kiosk just to respond to this fluff.

 

[Slick Rick]

A couple of days ago my friend (a muslim) was talking to me about Terrorism and he made a good point.
He said '' The West see these Muslim groups as terrorist because a small minority have attacked the innocent but in the East many people consider Americans to be Terrorists because of all the innocent people they have killed there''

He's TOTALY in disagreement with these terrorist attacks but hes saying other groups in the East are targeted by America even though they are not terrorist, they are freedom fighters but because they dislike America, they are considered as terrorists if you know what im saying..

 

[TVRKing]

The West see these Muslim groups as terrorist because a small minority have attacked the innocent but in the East many people consider Americans to be Terrorists because of all the innocent people they have killed there''

But they were accidental. These were deliberate.

Update - 54 dead now.

 

[Slick Rick]

Im not sure what your refering to but i think my friend meant all the innocents America have Killed over time, not just at one incident.

 

[TVRKing]

Im not sure what your refering to but i think my friend meant all the innocents America have Killed over time, not just at one incident.

I'm trying to say that when you go to war, if you kill an innocent person, it's an accident, something that was unintentional. Terrorists kill for the hell of it. They don't give a fig about the 8 year old in the shop, or the pregnant woman on the bus.

 

[Slick Rick]

Yea i agree but i just thought i would post another perspective, just to get us thinking more open and not so narrow.

 

[TVRKing]

Yea i agree but i just thought i would post another perspective, just to get us thinking more open and not so narrow.

And it was a valid point, which I why I haven't said anything bad against it.

 

[Slick Rick]

Theres just been another bomb in a coach in Turkey

Something NEEDS to be done before terrorists get more and more confident

 

[Solid Fro]

An allegation that was never proven, or even substantiated. Since it was surmise and not a statement of fact, it was what we in the lay call "a lie", I don't know what you political experts call it.

It is you that needs to check the facts.

Bush's "16 Words" on Iraq & Uranium: He May Have Been Wrong But He Wasn't Lying

Two intelligence investigations show Bush had plenty of reason to believe what he said in his 2003 State of the Union Address.



The o'mighty Fact Check.org

Why are we talking about Karl Rove in the London terrorist bombing thread? Do I smell a hint of spin?

 

[rk]

Why are we talking about Karl Rove in the London terrorist bombing thread? Do I smell a hint of spin?

The subject of Karl Rove, or "Turd Blossom", was raised in response to your "proof" that Benjamin Netenyahu, who has since likely scurried back to his fortified citadel, was not forewarned. When I posted the AP article which quoted and unnamed Israeli official (I believe that is similar to the term Mr Novak used in his infamous columnar exposal, but you are welcome to clarify that point) who stated that the British police forewarned the Israeli embassy about the bombings from which B. Netenyahu was subsequently spared, you ViperZero, posted a retortive segment claiming the AP retracted the previous story. I perceive no such retraction, rather the spin of Ariel Sharon. The reference to Karl Rove and his current predicament, and the subsequent undermining of GW's State of the Union lie (i.e., why would Rove be vindictive if the truth of Bush's spin doctoring were able to stand on it's own merit), was a very revealing perspective through a very current event and proves politicians, like Ariel Sharon, don't always tell "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."
Based on the information at hand, I see no proof that he wasn't forewarned, but the implications of that having been done speak much more ominously of a cognizant and calculating opponent than would be a few religious zealots in Leeds and elsewhere.

 

[rk]

Yea i agree but i just thought i would post another perspective, just to get us thinking more open and not so narrow.

What you say is understandable, if obscure. Know you have at least one pair of sympathetic ears (or eyes) here.
The westen world needs to know what it is doing on far shores in the name of democracy and the hornet's nest it has stirred as a result.

 

[Famine]

Based on the information at hand, I see no proof that he wasn't forewarned, but the implications of that having been done speak much more ominously of a cognizant and calculating opponent than would be a few religious zealots in Leeds and elsewhere.

To paraphrase Duke, I see no proof that Netenyahu isn't an alien clone intent on world domination. That doesn't mean it is true.

There is no proof for either of the positions that Netenyahu was or wasn't warned. The logical conclusion to draw is that there is no evidence for either position, since the event didn't occur - no evidence can exist for something which hasn't happened. The illogical conclusion to draw is that there is no evidence for either position, because it did happen, then Mossad covered it up.

"There's no smoke without fire" is rarely true, and Occam's Razor is rarely false.

 

[ledhed]

Its nice to have a "radical liberal conspiracy theorist" opinion every once in a while . keeps things in perspective . Its like doing LSD and getting drunk without the chemicals and alchohol .

 

[Slick Rick]

What you say is understandable, if obscure. Know you have at least one pair of sympathetic ears (or eyes) here.
The westen world needs to know what it is doing on far shores in the name of democracy and the hornet's nest it has stirred as a result.

Yea. The government hides A LOT from us and only feed us the info they want us to hear. So what may seem irrational to us seems justified to others.....


rk your really enjoying this disscussion arnt you 👍 Its amazing how much 1 peron has to say

 

[Solid Fro]

Its nice to have a "radical liberal conspiracy theorist" opion every once in a while . keeps things in perspective . Its like doing LSD and getting drunk without the chemicals and alchohol .

In other words... a Moonbat.

 

[ledhed]

According to de Haviland, a moonbat is "someone on the extreme edge of whatever their -ism happens to be." Adriana Cronin defines the term as "someone who sacrifices sanity for the sake of consistency." This term has long been used to describe protesters on the political Left, and is sometimes used to describe protesters on the political Right, such as those protesting the Terri Schiavo case.

[edit]
See also
Contrast — wingnut

Do you think so ? I do not think rk is as extreme as ...say welryn or some others ..

why dont we let rk's post posts define his veiws..maybe we can even invent a new word
rk its all in fun .
Everyone needs a foil .

 

[Solid Fro]

Isn't this like the 5th coming of wellyrn?

I think "Someone who sacrifices sanity for the sake of consistency." fits perfectly. On the extreme edge of Idiotarianism. If rk was in a real political debate, he would lose instantly. You cannot use conspiracy theories as fact.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but please, leave your iTs da J00s faUlT conspiracy theories at home.

 

[rk]

To paraphrase Duke, I see no proof that Netenyahu isn't an alien clone intent on world domination. That doesn't mean it is true.

There is no proof for either of the positions that Netenyahu was or wasn't warned. The logical conclusion to draw is that there is no evidence for either position, since the event didn't occur - no evidence can exist for something which hasn't happened. The illogical conclusion to draw is that there is no evidence for either position, because it did happen, then Mossad covered it up.

"There's no smoke without fire" is rarely true, and Occam's Razor is rarely false.

And the reason the AP printed the "unnamed source" story? You must also believe the AP is an anti-semetic front, eh?

Its nice to have a "radical liberal conspiracy theorist" opion every once in a while . keeps things in perspective . Its like doing LSD and getting drunk without the chemicals and alchohol .

So your theory about the WTC attack is that it was just a "coincidence" that all those planes did all those weird things at the same time? I mean since only liberals perceive conspiracies, what do you call what the fanatics did to those poor Paki kids from Leeds, they certainly couldn't have conspired to commit the crime...or is only the "bad guys" that have legitimately termed conspiracies?

Yea. The government hides A LOT from us and only feed us the info they want us to hear. So what may seem irrational to us seems justified to others.....


rk your really enjoying this disscussion arnt you 👍 Its amazing how much 1 peron has to say

As you observe, notice all my posts since the first are basically responses, and all except this response (which I think I can call neutral) are towards negative or even detractive posts.
I feel the perspective I have results from an acute awareness I almost revile. At times I envy ViperZero's blind faith, I am sure he sleeps soundly at night.

Isn't this like the 5th coming of wellyrn?

I think "Someone who sacrifices sanity for the sake of consistency." fits perfectly. On the extreme edge of Idiotarianism. If rk was in a real political debate, he would lose instantly. You cannot use conspiracy theories as fact.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but please, leave your iTs da J00s faUlT conspiracy theories at home.

Khryst, where do you get this stuff, off of a Bill O'Reilly cereal box with Rush Limbaugh on the cover mackin down a big spoonful of smack? I am at home, don't belittle yourself or this discussion by characterizing me as a Jew basher. I criticize the President, shouldn't I be, by your standard, anti-American? I understand you are coming from a position of bruised ego, but take the lead from your English buds and "suck it up, chap."
Keep this up and I might actually feel sorry for you.
By the way, when did I ever say a conspiracy was fact? I think I was quite careful to demonstrate there was no factual evdience to the contrary. Are you, perhaps, jumping to conclusions?
Oh, yeah, in final riposte, "Wikipedia" is the openly editable dictionary, when you quote an entry, you might as well be making it up. It serves as an excellent reference, but is hardly "definative." You might increase your credibility (if that matters) by sticking to accepted authorities in diction.
If this were a real debate, and you my opponent, there would be a smoking crater where your seat used to be.
Enough of these "characterizations," does the name calling mean the discussion of current events is over?

 

[Solid Fro]

My "Someone who sacrifices sanity for the sake of consistency." statement stands.

Want to know a secret? I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh.